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1. 01:24 AM - Re: fuel system (Jan de Jong)
2. 03:03 AM - Re: fuel selectors etc (nigel charles)
3. 04:24 AM - Re: fuel selectors etc ()
4. 05:37 AM - Re: fuel selectors etc (Rick Morris)
5. 08:26 AM - Door Latches (flyingphil2)
6. 09:02 AM - Re: Door Latches (Trevpond@aol.com)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Door Latches (ALAN YERLY)
8. 10:51 AM - Redux available (ALAN YERLY)
9. 11:31 AM - Fuel Inlet Pipe (Aluminum) (TIMOTHY PHILIP WARD)
10. 05:20 PM - Re: Redux available (Rick Stockton)
11. 06:28 PM - Re: 912S Exhaust (Bob)
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Graham,
Thank you.
I was thinking of 914 with no engine driven pump and the electric
pump(s) pumping around a tank volume every hour or so through the regulator.
A certain amount of mixing of sides would occur when the fuel level is
well above the hump.
Maybe different considerations for the different fuel systems?
Regards,
Jan de Jong
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Jan
> imho there is more risk of vapout lock when you mix hot fuel from the
> engine driven pump with the fuel going back to the engine. I don't
> think you will be able to aerate a full tank of fuel, the return goes
> into the reserve tank anyway, or should do.
> Long range tank mod is a bit of a problem, I agree
> Graham
>
> Jan de Jong wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a question if I may.
>> Mod 33 shows the starboard drain tank outlet used also as the return
>> line tank inlet.
>> The pictures I see with Graham Singleton's adapters for threaded
>> connections all show the return line going to the vent outlet if I'm
>> not mistaken.
>> Is this recommended, if so why?
>> - Less return line pressure for 914 systems?
>> - No mixing of tank bottom debris with return fuel?
>> I could think of counter arguments:
>> - Will fuel become aerated and more oxidising and possibly vapor lock
>> prone when continuously made to drop from the vent outlet location
>> (914 system)?
>> - How about compatibility with long range tank mod?
>>
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| Subject: | fuel selectors etc |
With regards to Andair gascolators I think they are a very good product.
However rather than speculating their capabilities or limitations it
might be worth getting Andy Phillips (producer of Andair products) to
comment on any concerns. I know he operates an RV which no doubt uses
one of his gascolators. I am sure he has researched his products well
before designing and manufacture and would be the best person to answer
questions.
Nigel Charles
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
bastin
Sent: 03 November 2007 22:55
Subject: Europa-List: fuel selectors etc
--> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Just a quick survey, on what people are using in the way of fuel
selectors gascolators etc, I am thinking of the andair (seem most people
like these) selector and the STC - PMA gascolator, to be used with one
of the 140hp fuel injected 914's, any thoughts, issues i might have with
this combo would be appreciated
thanks
9:46 PM
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| Subject: | fuel selectors etc |
Hi Nigel
"might be worth getting Andy Phillips (producer of Andair products) to
comment on any concerns. I know he operates an RV which no doubt uses
> one of his gascolators. I am sure he has researched his products well
> before designing and manufacture and would be the best person to answer
> questions."
For what it's worth, I did exactly that prior to using two Andair 375s on
914 install. I wanted to hear from the horses mouth that it would be an
acceptable practice to use a gasculator as both a water trap and fuel
filter.
The answer was an absolute affirmative (very nice guy and willing to
answer any and all questions about his product), there is no sense in
using supplied Europa Purolator filters prior to 375s. There is 1 caveat,
this is speaking of the newest product which uses a pleated element that
has a reasonable amount of surface area. The old style element you can
see if you go to home page when the invisible bowl happens to the upper
left pic. (does not thrill me as far as filter area goes).
Another note in general on using parts on airplanes, when you are not in a
rush, inspect all things being used like your life depends on it, like of
course it does. Use very good bright lights, and magnifiers and look at
things like you know there is something wrong and it is your mission in
life to find it, which it is as a homebuilder, user, maintainer.
I found such a problem with one of the elements of our 375s supplied by
Aircraft Spruce. When looking inside the element where the pleated filter
is glued together through the threaded intake, could see that some of the
adhesive did not quite make it to an area that would allow larger
particles than desired to get through, but more important there was some
debris hardly stuck to the glue bond (this is on the inside of filter), I
am certain it had potential to break loose and get swept downstream. Was
replaced free of charge. Replacement was fine, and I looked at a few
others of other homebuilders and they were fine, but like everything
check.
Off topic, but during inspection of Airmaster prop right after received, I
noticed that the about 3/8" of the tip of nickel lead edge was not bonded,
adhesive was missing. I was able to slip a piece of paper in there! After
talking to Airmaster, then to Warp Drive they said they never heard of
that, I sent a picture with up some very close ups and one had a thin
piece of paper actual in it. Warp Drive repaired, very nice job, but check
your stuff. You really could not see defect very easily at all in normal
light with naked eyes.
Andair makes very nice stuff!
BTW if you want to maintain the black painted witness marks on bowl of 375
gasculator, don't wipe bowl with isopropyl alcohol. It removes paint.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | fuel selectors etc |
Andy's a great bloke and his products are well respected amonst the rv crowd. I
have one on my rv7. They are also fitted to Diamond and Cirus amongst others.
Rick Morris
G-RIKS xs
G-RMRV rv7A
-----Original Message-----
From: nigel charles <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: 05 November 2007 13:02
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel selectors etc
With regards to Andair gascolators I think they are a very good product.
However rather than speculating their capabilities or limitations it
might be worth getting Andy Phillips (producer of Andair products) to
comment on any concerns. I know he operates an RV which no doubt uses
one of his gascolators. I am sure he has researched his products well
before designing and manufacture and would be the best person to answer
questions.
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
bastin
Sent: 03 November 2007 22:55
Subject: Europa-List: fuel selectors etc
--> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Just a quick survey, on what people are using in the way of fuel
selectors gascolators etc, I am thinking of the andair (seem most people
like these) selector and the STC - PMA gascolator, to be used with one
[The entire original message is not included]
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Hi,
I'm working my way through the fuselage build and thought I'd take a look at the
doors. I notice that my kit does not contain any DL11F or DL11R push rods (or
the earlier DL08F and R) that are supposed to be 10 x 5mm rectangular aluminium
section. I do, however, have some aluminium rod of 10mm diameter supplied
which has a part number of B1RM and the size of this looks like I could make
some push rods out of it!
So, does anyone know what the B1RM material is used for or whether this is supposed
to be used for the door latch mechanism? If you do, is it written down anywhere
as the online manual still calls for DL11F & R. I can't find any mention
of B1RM in the manuals yet it is called for in the packing list.
Thanks,
Phil
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latches |
Hi Phil,
I'm sure Europa 2004 will have the correct items you are looking for.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latches |
Phil,
BIRM 10mm is the 10 mm rod used for the pushrod construction. 3/8 inch
is ok if you goof one up.
When building your pushrods do not cut the flat sided pieces (the end of
the rod which attaches to the DL06 shoot bolts) to the final length
recommended in the instructions. Leave them as long as you can so you
can adjust the bullet end to get good penetration into the fuselage, yet
clear the door DL07 shoot bolt guide. It takes me about 1 hour to
build all four rods and fit them, so it really isn't that bad of a job.
Like most things, "you've gotta' tweak them to work like glass.
If you need any other parts or techniques, call me at the shop,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
Europa Dealer USA
www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/>
(813) 653-4989
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From: flyingphil2<mailto:ptiller@lolacars.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Door Latches
<ptiller@lolacars.com<mailto:ptiller@lolacars.com>>
Hi,
I'm working my way through the fuselage build and thought I'd take a
look at the doors. I notice that my kit does not contain any DL11F or
DL11R push rods (or the earlier DL08F and R) that are supposed to be 10
x 5mm rectangular aluminium section. I do, however, have some aluminium
rod of 10mm diameter supplied which has a part number of B1RM and the
size of this looks like I could make some push rods out of it!
So, does anyone know what the B1RM material is used for or whether
this is supposed to be used for the door latch mechanism? If you do, is
it written down anywhere as the online manual still calls for DL11F & R.
I can't find any mention of B1RM in the manuals yet it is called for in
the packing list.
Thanks,
Phil
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org<http://www.europaowners.org/>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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avigator?Europa-List>
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All Europa Builders,
I just had my distributor get a dual shipment of Epibond 420 A/B which
is Araldite or as most of us know it, Redux.
It is in the 2 pound can. (Yes the can of hardener or part B is a pain
to pour from, so use a 1 pint vinegar bottle with a tight fitting cap to
make it easier to use and store longer.) Please clean and dry the
bottle though.
Price is $159.00 plus ground shipping. Shipping is about $20 to the
west of the Mississippi or North East and $15 in the South East. Sale
is at cost plus shipping and insurance.
Total of 9 kits available.
Checks only please. Ground shipping only. No airmail UPS or FEDEX due
to Hazardous material.
If interested contact:
Bud Yerly
www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/>
or budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
(813) 653-4989
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| Subject: | Fuel Inlet Pipe (Aluminum) |
Hi Hans-Peter,
That is no problem. I had 3 over and they have been
snapped up quickly so I will get another run done. I
will have them available soon and email you. I do them
"at cost" for the builders so with postage and
packaging they come to about 13 pounds. A local cheque
or cash is fine.
They are for the Classic with the MOD to increase the
baggage bay and the XS. So they are for the fuel cap
re positioned to the starboard side as per the XS.
They connect to the fuel inlet plastic "cobra" and
the fuel tank. It avoids fuel getting left on the
rubber coupling they originally gave us, over time
which then permeates fuel into the cockpit as a smell
as it breaks down in time. The rubber joining pieces
are not included but are small lengths of fuel
resistant hosing you can buy from an auto shop with
hose clips and creates a better join, to the tank
especially, as the original rubber coupling has caused
problems.
All the best for the build,
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton
Christchurch.
New Zealand
Ph. 64 33515166
MOB 0210640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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| Subject: | Re: Redux available |
Bub, I'll be nneding some as I have my wings almost ready to seal.
Rick Stockton 707-330-1717
ALAN YERLY <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
All Europa Builders,
I just had my distributor get a dual shipment of Epibond 420 A/B which is Araldite
or as most of us know it, Redux.
It is in the 2 pound can. (Yes the can of hardener or part B is a pain to pour
from, so use a 1 pint vinegar bottle with a tight fitting cap to make it easier
to use and store longer.) Please clean and dry the bottle though.
Price is $159.00 plus ground shipping. Shipping is about $20 to the west of
the Mississippi or North East and $15 in the South East. Sale is at cost plus
shipping and insurance.
Total of 9 kits available. Checks only please. Ground shipping only. No airmail
UPS or FEDEX due to Hazardous material.
If interested contact:
Bud Yerly
www.customflightcreations.com
or budyerly@msn.com
(813) 653-4989
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Exhaust |
912S ExhaustHi Kim,
Glad to hear your still kicking! Were still busy as ever but the
Europa's have slowed a bit. We have been involved with Zenith Aircraft
for a couple of years with sales and quick build kits and doing builder
assistance for Van's, Rans, and Jabiru's. Were also a dealer for Jabiru
engines.
Recently we started another company doing embroidery. What a switch
that is but we had the space at our new facility and felt it was time to
diversify a bit.
Have you retired yet? If not, I imagine you have been quite busy
lately.
Regarding the exhaust system, I think it sold this morning for 750.00
but there were some other items that he wanted that I had to double
check and we ended up playing a bit of phone tag. I will know tomorrow
for sure and will let you know. I could not believe the current US
pricing for the exhaust system is 1445.00.
Regards,
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Prout
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 912S Exhaust
Hey Bob! How are you doing there??
I am interested in the 912S Exhaust system as Europa could never find
the system or never would supply that to me as part of my settlement
with them. What is your asking price? N111EU is flying nicely still
after all these years! Hope to talk to you soon.
Kim Prout
909-437-5151
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