---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/24/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:27 AM - Comments (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:47 AM - Re: covered trailers (Paul Stewart) 2. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: Digital Readout Engine Gauges (craig bastin) 3. 09:08 AM - LG mounting frame (Fred Klein) 4. 10:10 AM - Re: LG mounting frame (rlborger) 5. 11:15 AM - Re: LG mounting frame (Fred Klein) 6. 01:02 PM - Re: LG mounting frame (rlborger) 7. 01:13 PM - Re: LG mounting frame (Graham Singleton) 8. 02:02 PM - Re: covered trailers (steve v) 9. 03:09 PM - wing TE trimming (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 10. 03:24 PM - Re: LG mounting frame (Fred Klein) 11. 04:39 PM - Re: LG mounting frame (Graham Singleton) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:56 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Comments Dear Listers, Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their Contributions in support of the Lists this year. 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Frank D ..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific questions. Richard S Your list has really helped me in my first build. Michael W Always a pleasure to support this great resource... Richard W I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial. Bob L Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers. Ellery B Your lists are a great service to builders and owners! Richard D A real good place for someone that is starting to get interested into flying without investing any money at first. Ellery B The list has been an great help to my building process. David B I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and the Zenith List. Jeff D ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:24 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: covered trailers Steve Is there a company name or web site missing from your original posting below? Paul On 22 Nov 2007, at 20:36, steve v wrote: > > Hi Paul, These people manufacture an enclosed Europa trailor, they > will email you pictures and prices, just make sure you are not > holding a hot cup of tea when you read the prices, > > steve #573 G-CEBV > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:38 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Digital Readout Engine Gauges C.L.E.A.R.O.F.F Compass and DI aligned, flying correct heading Location. Fix your position Engine, T's & P's where they should be Altitude. Correct for plan/heading, and current airspace clearance. Radio, Correct frequency, still working. Oxygen (pressurisation) Fuel, contents sufficient for remaining flight time, correct tank (if required) Flaps both wing and cowl correct the prelanding one ammuses most new students BUMFFISH Brakes, working Undercarriage, (down and locked/Fixed) Mixture full rich Fuel, pump on, contents sufficent Flaps set, both wing and cowl Instruments (T's and P's correct) Security, loose objects secure Hatches and harnesses set for landing. Short Final check PLUFF Pitch (full Fine) Landing clearance (granted / runway clear) Undercarriage, (down and locked/Fixed) Fuel, full rich, pump on, contents sufficent Flaps set, both wing and cowl Line up check TWAD Transponder, switch to alt, squark correct. windsock. Crosswind estimate Aimpoint, for after takeoff DI and compass agree with runway heading. I am sure there are other ones that work just as well, are there any others people want to share -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rowland & Wilma Carson Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 10:37 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Digital Readout Engine Gauges At 18/11/07 21:25 +1000 craig bastin wrote: >most of the schools in >Australia >teach students to a C.L.E.A.R.O.F.F check every 15 minutes Craig - that's new acronym on me! I can make a guess at some of it, but would like to know the "authorised verion", please! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson PFA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 840 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail 5:15 PM 7:39 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:11 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: LG mounting frame From: Fred Klein Gentle Monowheelies, In the midst of Chapter 21 M, last evening I got myself in a bit of a jamb by the ever so slightest deviation from the build manual w/ regard to the mounting of the LG01A bushes in the large diameter tube of the LG mounting frame. Having become accustomed to press fitting and loctiting the smaller bushes, I didn't hesitate to loctite the first of the two LG01A bushes by gently tapping it in place with a rubber mallet after a minimal scouring of the tube and the requisite cleaning and degreasing...but lo and behold, I was surprised to find that the shaft LG09 no longer rotates freely within the bushing; rather, the shaft has but a very tight interference fit within the bushing. So.....what to do? I see my options to be (1) to hone the bushing carefully til the shaft freely rotates, or (2) heat up the frame and bush to break the loctite bond, remove the bush, and scour/sand the inner circumference of the tube until the bush slides in neatly and then re-loctite. Have any of you had to deal with this problem?... if so, how did you solve it? Any comments would be much appreciated. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:07 AM PST US From: rlborger Subject: Re: Europa-List: LG mounting frame Fred, Went back to read Chapter 21M to refresh myself on the operation. =46rom my understanding of your installation, you tapped the LG01A bushings into place without the LG09 to maintain alignment. It's a tough call, but I'd guess you'd be best to remove the two LG01A bushings, clean it all up and re-bond as per instructions with the LG09 in place. That best ensures that the bushings are aligned properly with the shaft. Just my 2=A2 and probably not worth all that. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Mod 72 complete. Instrument panel complete, except for testing. Rotax 914 installed (for the 3rd time). Airmaster Prop installed. Electrical complete, except for testing. Fuel system complete except for testing. Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Interior & Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Nov 24, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Fred Klein wrote: > > Gentle Monowheelies, > > > In the midst of Chapter 21 M, last evening I got myself in a bit of > a jamb by the ever so slightest deviation from the build manual w/ > regard to the mounting of the LG01A bushes in the large diameter > tube of the LG mounting frame. Having become accustomed to press > fitting and loctiting the smaller bushes, I didn't hesitate to > loctite the first of the two LG01A bushes by gently tapping it in > place with a rubber mallet after a minimal scouring of the tube and > the requisite cleaning and degreasing...but lo and behold, I was > surprised to find that the shaft LG09 no longer rotates freely > within the bushing; rather, the shaft has but a very tight > interference fit within the bushing. > > So.....what to do? > > I see my options to be (1) to hone the bushing carefully til the > shaft freely rotates, or (2) heat up the frame and bush to break > the loctite bond, remove the bush, and scour/sand the inner > circumference of the tube until the bush slides in neatly and then > re-loctite. > > Have any of you had to deal with this problem?... if so, how did > you solve it? > > Any comments would be much appreciated. > > Fred > A194 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: LG mounting frame From: Fred Klein On Saturday, Nov 24, 2007, at 10:08 US/Pacific, rlborger wrote: > -From my understanding of your installation, you tapped the LG01A > bushings into place without the LG09 to maintain alignment. -It's a > tough call, but I'd guess you'd be best to remove the two LG01A > bushings, clean it all up and re-bond as per instructions with the > LG09 in place. -That best ensures that the bushings are aligned > properly with the shaft. Bob, Thanks for your comment and for taking the time to go back thru the manual. Your understanding is correct except that I have only loctited one of the LG01A bushes. I don't believe I have an alignment problem...I think my problem results from the bush being compressed just enough to make for an interference fit between bushing and shaft rather than for the shaft to freely rotate. Looking at the Loctite specs, I find that the bond dissolves at 250 degrees C (wow...that's 482 degrees F.!). I guess I can put a propane torch into the LG mounting frame and heat the puppy up to free the bushing...but am wondering what that will do to the powder coat...(?)...and I don't want to exacerbate the situation. While still pondering what to do, I'm certainly open to additional counsel from any source! Thanks, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:28 PM PST US From: rlborger Subject: Re: Europa-List: LG mounting frame Fred, OK, I understand the issue. I really don't have a good recommendation. Only can say that you need the LG09 to fit snugly in the LG01A bushing with no slop allowed. The over-center is tenuous enough as it is. Any slop at all certainly would aggravate any problems there. Perhaps someone out there with more machine shop experience can come up with a better solution or a means to lap the bushing to size while maintaining proper alignment. Good luck, Bob On Nov 24, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > On Saturday, Nov 24, 2007, at 10:08 US/Pacific, rlborger wrote: >> From my understanding of your installation, you tapped the LG01A >> bushings into place without the LG09 to maintain alignment. It's >> a tough call, but I'd guess you'd be best to remove the two LG01A >> bushings, clean it all up and re-bond as per instructions with the >> LG09 in place. That best ensures that the bushings are aligned >> properly with the shaft. > > Bob, > > Thanks for your comment and for taking the time to go back thru the > manual. Your understanding is correct except that I have only > loctited one of the LG01A bushes. I don't believe I have an > alignment problem...I think my problem results from the bush being > compressed just enough to make for an interference fit between > bushing and shaft rather than for the shaft to freely rotate. > > Looking at the Loctite specs, I find that the bond dissolves at 250 > degrees C (wow...that's 482 degrees F.!). I guess I can put a > propane torch into the LG mounting frame and heat the puppy up to > free the bushing...but am wondering what that will do to the powder > coat...(?)...and I don't want to exacerbate the situation. > > While still pondering what to do, I'm certainly open to additional > counsel from any source! > > Thanks, > > Fred > A194 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:14 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: LG mounting frame Fred if you can find a lump of round bar the right size to slip into the bush, heat that to around 300C, wait a couple of minutes, then tap the bush out with another lump of bar (same OD as the bush) That should do it without overheating the powder coating. The expansion of the bush will tighten it until the LG heats up a bit too then it should loosen. Get a second opinion about this! When you get it out you need to find out why the bust went tight!? Can't have been the loctite. The proper thing to do would be to ream the bush with a long hand reamer. Can you rent an expanding reamer long enough? They may exist. Graham Fred Klein wrote: > > > On Saturday, Nov 24, 2007, at 10:08 US/Pacific, rlborger wrote: > > From my understanding of your installation, you tapped the LG01A > bushings into place without the LG09 to maintain alignment. It's a > tough call, but I'd guess you'd be best to remove the two LG01A > bushings, clean it all up and re-bond as per instructions with the > LG09 in place. That best ensures that the bushings are aligned > properly with the shaft. > > > Bob, > > Thanks for your comment and for taking the time to go back thru the > manual. Your understanding is correct except that I have only loctited > one of the LG01A bushes. I don't believe I have an alignment problem...I > think my problem results from the bush being compressed just enough to > make for an interference fit between bushing and shaft rather than for > the shaft to freely rotate. > > Looking at the Loctite specs, I find that the bond dissolves at 250 > degrees C (wow...that's 482 degrees F.!). I guess I can put a propane > torch into the LG mounting frame and heat the puppy up to free the > bushing...but am wondering what that will do to the powder > coat...(?)...and I don't want to exacerbate the situation. > > While still pondering what to do, I'm certainly open to additional > counsel from any source! > > Thanks, > > Fred > A194 > > > size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: covered trailers From: "steve v " Hi Paul, Appologies, i ammended my reply but i dont think it appeared on the matronics list, here is the missing link, http://www.kompak.co.uk/, they will email you pictures and prices, just make sure you are not holding a hot cup of tea when you read the prices, steve #573 G-CEBV Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:43 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: Europa-List: wing TE trimming I've just glued the lid on my first wing. I notice that the manual mentions that the TE will get trimmed to fit later - but I haven't been able to find where that happens. Can anyone point me to the right place in the manual, please? regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson PFA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 840 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: LG mounting frame From: Fred Klein Thanks Graham and Bob for your thoughts. I'm quite mindful of the need for a close tolerance fit of the shaft within the bushings, hence my query and head-scratching. I believe the bush "went tight" because of my failure to scour out the powder coat overspray from the interior of the LG frame tube; when I tapped the bushing in place w/ a rubber mallet it compressed just a tad but enough to keep the shaft from rotating freely. I believe I've solved my problem satisfactorily as follows: I mentioned that I'd only loctited one of the bushes. In order to not repeat my problem, I happened to have an 80 grit flap wheel for my Dremel which was about 1/8" dia. smaller than the tube, and I used it to hone the interior of the tube, removing all overspray from the powder coating and brightened it up. This allowed the second bush (which turned freely...while mounted on the shaft) to slide effortlessly into the LG frame tube. After taking another look at the bush which had been previously loctited in the tube, I used the flap wheel to lightly hone or dress (not sure of the proper term here) the inside surface of the bush...after several iterations (including sequential greasing and degreasing w/ solvent), this seemed to be doing the trick. The shaft now rotates freely without slop, and I've now loctited the second bush in place. Onward and upward, Fred A194 On Saturday, Nov 24, 2007, at 13:12 US/Pacific, Graham Singleton wrote: > When you get it out you need to find out why the bust went tight!? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:36 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: LG mounting frame glad you're out of trouble Fred! Graham Fred Klein wrote: > > Thanks Graham and Bob for your thoughts. I'm quite mindful of the need > for a close tolerance fit of the shaft within the bushings, hence my > query and head-scratching. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.