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0. 12:02 AM - [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? (Matt Dralle)
1. 02:17 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (josok)
2. 02:31 AM - Re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 (Remi Guerner)
3. 02:33 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Peter Rees)
4. 03:30 AM - Re: Re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 (William Harrison)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Robert C Harrison)
6. 10:02 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions ()
7. 10:05 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions ()
8. 10:50 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Simon Smith)
9. 11:06 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Terry Seaver (terrys))
10. 01:25 PM - Test (Rob Housman)
11. 04:50 PM - Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (Fred Klein)
12. 08:46 PM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (danbish)
13. 09:50 PM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (Fred Klein)
14. 10:57 PM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (David DeFord)
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Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? |
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Subject: | Re: A few curiosity questions |
Hi Ron,
For the first part of the question:
Did a lot of the filling and sanding with the fuse tilted and raised. An engine
hoist is a nice thing to have. As for the second part, i can't think of any reason
why somebody would like to try that. Or maybe? Frighten the heck out of
anybody on the airport? Forgot my wings, sorry :-) What's your reason for asking?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 |
Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15
Does anybody know why the SB specifies to apply the Loctite on the inner edges
only of the TP12 ?. Obviously it would be way easier to do it on the outer edges
instead.
Remi
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Subject: | Re: A few curiosity questions |
I saw some footage on U-Tube of an RV owner who started their trike without
the wings - wrecked it totally in about 3 seconds! I know that the engine
was probably a lot more powerful but I'd take plenty of advice (Andy Draper)
before trying it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions
>
> Hi Bob
>
> "I would expect the trike would handle up to 60kts without much question,
> it has directional control with the differential braking. You need to be
> very much able to anticipate the adverse torque effect of the prop and
> engine though, ie:- hard right rudder would be needed as if with wings. Of
> course you would need a very long runway on which to accelerate then
> brake. The friction damper on the nose leg would need to be right "on
> song" too."
>
> Thx. for the reply.
>
> I would expect about the same of the Trigear. Did you ever run yours
> without wings on?
>
> I had a I-80 Kasperwing motorglider, and without the wing and associated
> inertia, it became less directional stable at a lesser speed than with
> wing.
>
> Ron P.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 |
I believe it is so that if it has to be removed (by heat) at a later
date it will be less likely to damage the composite around the bush.
Willie
On 27 Nov 2007, at 10:31, Remi Guerner wrote:
> Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15
>
> Does anybody know why the SB specifies to apply the Loctite on the
> inner edges only of the TP12 ?. Obviously it would be way easier to
> do it on the outer edges instead.
>
> Remi
>
>
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Subject: | A few curiosity questions |
Hi! Ron
Yes I did some taxi trials initially without the wings but I can't say I
was particularly paying attention to air speed since the Pitot is on the
wings!
I was more concerned about ground cooling.
With the wings was difficult due to the temptation to lift off and there
is more inertia required to brake. With less contact weight between
tyres and runway.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: 27 November 2007 06:55
Subject: RE: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions
Hi Bob
"I would expect the trike would handle up to 60kts without much
question,
it has directional control with the differential braking. You need to be
very much able to anticipate the adverse torque effect of the prop and
engine though, ie:- hard right rudder would be needed as if with wings.
Of
course you would need a very long runway on which to accelerate then
brake. The friction damper on the nose leg would need to be right "on
song" too."
Thx. for the reply.
I would expect about the same of the Trigear. Did you ever run yours
without wings on?
I had a I-80 Kasperwing motorglider, and without the wing and associated
inertia, it became less directional stable at a lesser speed than with
wing.
Ron P.
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Subject: | Re: A few curiosity questions |
Hi Jos
"Whats your reason for asking?"
Reason is two fold:
If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going anywhere in
a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard
stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side could
allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around where you
landed. This would also work for a gear up landing.
Second fold portion was a curiosity question for poor soles having to get
way in back of fuse to work. Just a thought that perhaps it would be
easier if plane was on side and you didn't have to do quite as much battle
not trying to damage stabil;ator push-rod??
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: A few curiosity questions |
Hi Peter
"I saw some footage on U-Tube of an RV owner who started their trike
without
> the wings - wrecked it totally in about 3 seconds! I know that the engine
> was probably a lot more powerful but I'd take plenty of advice (Andy Draper)
> before trying it."
I think I saw that video?? The one I saw was not a RV, it was retractable,
and had a turboprop, he had wheel chocked and fuse was not tied off and
the gear collapsed.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: A few curiosity questions |
Simon Smith
jodel@nildram.co.uk
On 27 Nov 2007, at 18:01, <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> wrote:
>
> If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going
> anywhere in
> a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard
> stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side
> could
> allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around
> where you
> landed. This would also work for a gear up landing.
Unless you have a two blade prop you will have to remove that too.
Assuming that you are talking about the mono, why not carry one of the
jacking adapters that has been mentioned here and borrow a car jack?
Simon
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Subject: | A few curiosity questions |
Hi Ron,
For tire repairs, etc., we carry a jacking block with us that allows the
use of a common floor jack to jack up the mono-wheel. See the following
link for a description (look under the 'Mono-wheel jacking block'
section);
http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/~terryseaver/N135TD_mods.htm
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions
Hi Jos
"Whats your reason for asking?"
Reason is two fold:
If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going anywhere
in a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard
stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side could
allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around where
you landed. This would also work for a gear up landing.
Second fold portion was a curiosity question for poor soles having to
get way in back of fuse to work. Just a thought that perhaps it would be
easier if plane was on side and you didn't have to do quite as much
battle not trying to damage stabil;ator push-rod??
Ron Parigoris
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Testing.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
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Subject: | Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Graham et al,
As I contemplate installation of this mod, I recall having the good
fortune of meeting William Mills at Sun 'n Fun. William gave me a list
of 4 things to do to ensure trouble free XS monowheel operations, one
of which was a recommendation to change the geometry of the Steering
Horn included with Graham's mod. I'm looking for counsel from anyone w/
direct monowheel experience using the Singleton tail wheel mod as well
as from Graham, the designer.
The Singleton steering horn has a distance of 4" between the holes in
the "horns". William recommended to me that I fabricate a new steering
horn which spreads the horns a bit so that the distance between the
horn-holes becomes 6".
William used the term, "spread", because he was clear that the distance
between the centerlines of the horn-holes and the two mounting holes
must remain the same as that of the Singleton steering horn.
I'm not clear as to just what the implications of such a change would
be; however, William was convinced that such a change would enhance
directional control during t/o's and land'gs. So I'm asking whether or
not this is a subject with which others have grappled, and whether or
not a definitive conclusion has been reached. (?)
All comments would be much appreciated,
Fred
A194
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Subject: | Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Hi Fred,
Can't say I have experience with the operation of the mod yet, but I've posted
some photos of it in the gallery if that'll help.
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album169&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Dan
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
On Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007, at 20:36 US/Pacific, danbish wrote:
> Can't say I have experience with the operation of the mod yet, but
> I've posted some photos of it in the gallery if that'll help.
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/
> modules.php?set_albumName=album169&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&i
> nclude=view_album.php
Outstanding documentation and workmanship Dan...thanks, Fred
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Subject: | Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Fred,
We installed Graham's tailwheel mod on N135TD and found it too touchy for
our liking. Rather than extending the steering horn on the tailwheel, we
moved the attachment points for the tailwheel cables closer to the pivot
point on the control arm at the rear of the fuselage. Our steering
sensitivity is now similar to the factory setup, about the same as what you
would get with William's recommendation. We have had it this way for about
6 years and are happy with the performance.
Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Fred Klein
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:49 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod
>
>
>
> Graham et al,
>
> As I contemplate installation of this mod, I recall having the good
> fortune of meeting William Mills at Sun 'n Fun. William gave
> me a list
> of 4 things to do to ensure trouble free XS monowheel operations, one
> of which was a recommendation to change the geometry of the Steering
> Horn included with Graham's mod. I'm looking for counsel from
> anyone w/
> direct monowheel experience using the Singleton tail wheel
> mod as well
> as from Graham, the designer.
>
> The Singleton steering horn has a distance of 4" between the holes in
> the "horns". William recommended to me that I fabricate a new
> steering
> horn which spreads the horns a bit so that the distance between the
> horn-holes becomes 6".
>
> William used the term, "spread", because he was clear that
> the distance
> between the centerlines of the horn-holes and the two mounting holes
> must remain the same as that of the Singleton steering horn.
>
> I'm not clear as to just what the implications of such a change would
> be; however, William was convinced that such a change would enhance
> directional control during t/o's and land'gs. So I'm asking
> whether or
> not this is a subject with which others have grappled, and whether or
> not a definitive conclusion has been reached. (?)
>
> All comments would be much appreciated,
>
> Fred
> A194
>
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