---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/27/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:02 AM - [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:17 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (josok) 2. 02:31 AM - Re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 (Remi Guerner) 3. 02:33 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Peter Rees) 4. 03:30 AM - Re: Re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 (William Harrison) 5. 09:18 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Robert C Harrison) 6. 10:02 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions () 7. 10:05 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions () 8. 10:50 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Simon Smith) 9. 11:06 AM - Re: A few curiosity questions (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 10. 01:25 PM - Test (Rob Housman) 11. 04:50 PM - Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (Fred Klein) 12. 08:46 PM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (danbish) 13. 09:50 PM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (Fred Klein) 14. 10:57 PM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (David DeFord) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:56 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? Dear Listers, Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system development as well. I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few. For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here locally. 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As for the second part, i can't think of any reason why somebody would like to try that. Or maybe? Frighten the heck out of anybody on the airport? Forgot my wings, sorry :-) What's your reason for asking? Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:47 AM PST US From: Remi Guerner Subject: Europa-List: re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 Does anybody know why the SB specifies to apply the Loctite on the inner edges only of the TP12 ?. Obviously it would be way easier to do it on the outer edges instead. Remi ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:38 AM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions I saw some footage on U-Tube of an RV owner who started their trike without the wings - wrecked it totally in about 3 seconds! I know that the engine was probably a lot more powerful but I'd take plenty of advice (Andy Draper) before trying it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions > > Hi Bob > > "I would expect the trike would handle up to 60kts without much question, > it has directional control with the differential braking. You need to be > very much able to anticipate the adverse torque effect of the prop and > engine though, ie:- hard right rudder would be needed as if with wings. Of > course you would need a very long runway on which to accelerate then > brake. The friction damper on the nose leg would need to be right "on > song" too." > > Thx. for the reply. > > I would expect about the same of the Trigear. Did you ever run yours > without wings on? > > I had a I-80 Kasperwing motorglider, and without the wing and associated > inertia, it became less directional stable at a lesser speed than with > wing. > > Ron P. > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:18 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: re: Europa Aircraft Service Bulletin 15 I believe it is so that if it has to be removed (by heat) at a later date it will be less likely to damage the composite around the bush. Willie On 27 Nov 2007, at 10:31, Remi Guerner wrote: > Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 > > Does anybody know why the SB specifies to apply the Loctite on the > inner edges only of the TP12 ?. Obviously it would be way easier to > do it on the outer edges instead. > > Remi > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:48 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions Hi! Ron Yes I did some taxi trials initially without the wings but I can't say I was particularly paying attention to air speed since the Pitot is on the wings! I was more concerned about ground cooling. With the wings was difficult due to the temptation to lift off and there is more inertia required to brake. With less contact weight between tyres and runway. Regards Bob H G-PTAG server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 27 November 2007 06:55 Subject: RE: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions Hi Bob "I would expect the trike would handle up to 60kts without much question, it has directional control with the differential braking. You need to be very much able to anticipate the adverse torque effect of the prop and engine though, ie:- hard right rudder would be needed as if with wings. Of course you would need a very long runway on which to accelerate then brake. The friction damper on the nose leg would need to be right "on song" too." Thx. for the reply. I would expect about the same of the Trigear. Did you ever run yours without wings on? I had a I-80 Kasperwing motorglider, and without the wing and associated inertia, it became less directional stable at a lesser speed than with wing. Ron P. -- 25/11/2007 16:24 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions From: Hi Jos "Whats your reason for asking?" Reason is two fold: If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going anywhere in a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side could allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around where you landed. This would also work for a gear up landing. Second fold portion was a curiosity question for poor soles having to get way in back of fuse to work. Just a thought that perhaps it would be easier if plane was on side and you didn't have to do quite as much battle not trying to damage stabil;ator push-rod?? Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions From: Hi Peter "I saw some footage on U-Tube of an RV owner who started their trike without > the wings - wrecked it totally in about 3 seconds! I know that the engine > was probably a lot more powerful but I'd take plenty of advice (Andy Draper) > before trying it." I think I saw that video?? The one I saw was not a RV, it was retractable, and had a turboprop, he had wheel chocked and fuse was not tied off and the gear collapsed. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:14 AM PST US From: Simon Smith Subject: Re: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions Simon Smith jodel@nildram.co.uk On 27 Nov 2007, at 18:01, wrote: > > If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going > anywhere in > a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard > stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side > could > allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around > where you > landed. This would also work for a gear up landing. Unless you have a two blade prop you will have to remove that too. Assuming that you are talking about the mono, why not carry one of the jacking adapters that has been mentioned here and borrow a car jack? Simon ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Ron, For tire repairs, etc., we carry a jacking block with us that allows the use of a common floor jack to jack up the mono-wheel. See the following link for a description (look under the 'Mono-wheel jacking block' section); http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/~terryseaver/N135TD_mods.htm Regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: A few curiosity questions Hi Jos "Whats your reason for asking?" Reason is two fold: If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going anywhere in a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side could allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around where you landed. This would also work for a gear up landing. Second fold portion was a curiosity question for poor soles having to get way in back of fuse to work. Just a thought that perhaps it would be easier if plane was on side and you didn't have to do quite as much battle not trying to damage stabil;ator push-rod?? Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:18 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: Europa-List: Test Testing. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Tri-Gear S/N A070 Airframe complete ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod From: Fred Klein Graham et al, As I contemplate installation of this mod, I recall having the good fortune of meeting William Mills at Sun 'n Fun. William gave me a list of 4 things to do to ensure trouble free XS monowheel operations, one of which was a recommendation to change the geometry of the Steering Horn included with Graham's mod. I'm looking for counsel from anyone w/ direct monowheel experience using the Singleton tail wheel mod as well as from Graham, the designer. The Singleton steering horn has a distance of 4" between the holes in the "horns". William recommended to me that I fabricate a new steering horn which spreads the horns a bit so that the distance between the horn-holes becomes 6". William used the term, "spread", because he was clear that the distance between the centerlines of the horn-holes and the two mounting holes must remain the same as that of the Singleton steering horn. I'm not clear as to just what the implications of such a change would be; however, William was convinced that such a change would enhance directional control during t/o's and land'gs. So I'm asking whether or not this is a subject with which others have grappled, and whether or not a definitive conclusion has been reached. (?) All comments would be much appreciated, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod From: "danbish" Hi Fred, Can't say I have experience with the operation of the mod yet, but I've posted some photos of it in the gallery if that'll help. http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album169&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod From: Fred Klein On Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007, at 20:36 US/Pacific, danbish wrote: > Can't say I have experience with the operation of the mod yet, but > I've posted some photos of it in the gallery if that'll help. > > http://www.europaowners.org/ > modules.php?set_albumName=album169&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&i > nclude=view_album.php Outstanding documentation and workmanship Dan...thanks, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:12 PM PST US From: "David DeFord" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod Fred, We installed Graham's tailwheel mod on N135TD and found it too touchy for our liking. Rather than extending the steering horn on the tailwheel, we moved the attachment points for the tailwheel cables closer to the pivot point on the control arm at the rear of the fuselage. Our steering sensitivity is now similar to the factory setup, about the same as what you would get with William's recommendation. We have had it this way for about 6 years and are happy with the performance. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Fred Klein > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:49 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod > > > > Graham et al, > > As I contemplate installation of this mod, I recall having the good > fortune of meeting William Mills at Sun 'n Fun. William gave > me a list > of 4 things to do to ensure trouble free XS monowheel operations, one > of which was a recommendation to change the geometry of the Steering > Horn included with Graham's mod. I'm looking for counsel from > anyone w/ > direct monowheel experience using the Singleton tail wheel > mod as well > as from Graham, the designer. > > The Singleton steering horn has a distance of 4" between the holes in > the "horns". William recommended to me that I fabricate a new > steering > horn which spreads the horns a bit so that the distance between the > horn-holes becomes 6". > > William used the term, "spread", because he was clear that > the distance > between the centerlines of the horn-holes and the two mounting holes > must remain the same as that of the Singleton steering horn. > > I'm not clear as to just what the implications of such a change would > be; however, William was convinced that such a change would enhance > directional control during t/o's and land'gs. So I'm asking > whether or > not this is a subject with which others have grappled, and whether or > not a definitive conclusion has been reached. (?) > > All comments would be much appreciated, > > Fred > A194 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.