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0. 12:20 AM - Just Two Days Left... (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:23 AM - Re: Modification to Wings (Robert C Harrison)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (John & Paddy Wigney)
3. 08:18 AM - Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (David Joyce)
4. 11:28 AM - Fw: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (Raimo Toivio)
5. 02:16 PM - Re: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 (h&jeuropa)
6. 04:36 PM - Re: Fw: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (Fred Klein)
7. 05:03 PM - Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (Graham Singleton)
8. 05:14 PM - Re: Modification to Wings (Graham Singleton)
9. 05:38 PM - Re: Rotamax 130 hp, 180 hp turbo (Rick Stockton)
10. 08:48 PM - FW: Harvard/ SNJ/Texan checklists (Fergus Kyle)
11. 09:53 PM - Anyone know who's plane this is? ()
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| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
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| Subject: | Modification to Wings |
Hi! Peter
I'm not qualified to answer except I'd suggest there may be a question
of differential expansion, the density may be different from structural
consideration then there is the question of actual application, I
believe water is involved as a spray ?
IMHO much better to stay within the terms of the mod.
Regards
Bob Harrison
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Timm
Sent: 29 November 2007 05:14
Subject: Europa-List: Modification to Wings
Just finished installing the mod. 74 wing-root pins and it occurred to
me,
that filling the cavity drilled out of the blue foam could possibly be
done
with expanding foam. I have used this material before for other
applications
and find that it sticks to anything and can easily be sanded.
Has anybody tried it, or could there be problems ?
Peter Timm
#110, Classic Mono
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| Subject: | Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Hi Fred,
I endorse David's comments. I also fitted the Singleton mod from new
and I have 570 + hrs. It has served me very well and I have never seen
the need to alter the standard setup.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod
Fred,
I fitted the standard Singleton mod from new, and now have 500+ hrs with it.
I like both the appearance and the performance, and have never felt the need
to contemplate altering it
Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Just thought I would let you all know the reason that Graham has not made
comment on this thread, he has been away all week, I do know he will be back
sometime during the day on friday.
It would be reasonable to expect a comment fairly soon after his return ;-)
rgds
David Joyce (the other one)
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| Subject: | Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Fred and all,
would you like to tell us also
the rest 3 things to ensure
XS MW trouble free operations?
I understand the benefits of the
Grahams tailwheel mod but
personally I have been totally
happy w factory original tailwheel
assembly. And Jos is right - it is
wise to use rudder pedals only gently
to avoid overstress the mechanism.
For example when doing steep turns
I push the pedal only little and let it go
to the stop "by itself" w/o any significant
force.
Few days ago I performed some icetests
like landing and groundhandling. There
was no problem and so I was tempted to
make some fun and aplied full rudder
and some power on the very slippery apron area:
voil my Europa was making fast & nice
pirouettes in its place and it looked like
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Korpi_kiira.jpg
(this was a gift for all Europa gentlemen).
Raimo
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, 47 hrs & 110 landings
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
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From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:48 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod
>
> Graham et al,
>
> As I contemplate installation of this mod, I recall having the good
> fortune of meeting William Mills at Sun 'n Fun. William gave me a list
> of 4 things to do to ensure trouble free XS monowheel operations, one
> of which was a recommendation to change the geometry of the Steering
> Horn included with Graham's mod. I'm looking for counsel from anyone w/
> direct monowheel experience using the Singleton tail wheel mod as well
> as from Graham, the designer.
>
> The Singleton steering horn has a distance of 4" between the holes in
> the "horns". William recommended to me that I fabricate a new steering
> horn which spreads the horns a bit so that the distance between the
> horn-holes becomes 6".
>
> William used the term, "spread", because he was clear that the distance
> between the centerlines of the horn-holes and the two mounting holes
> must remain the same as that of the Singleton steering horn.
>
> I'm not clear as to just what the implications of such a change would
> be; however, William was convinced that such a change would enhance
> directional control during t/o's and land'gs. So I'm asking whether or
> not this is a subject with which others have grappled, and whether or
> not a definitive conclusion has been reached. (?)
>
> All comments would be much appreciated,
>
> Fred
> A194
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 |
We have been quite successful working in the rear of our XS using the access holes
specified in CBM and Mono Build Manual Chapt 23. The actual opening is 4
inch diameter. The opening required in the skin was 5 inch diameter (see the
diagram in paragraph 7). Perhaps you can enlarge the ones in your fuselage.
Granted, there is not a lot of room but it's not too bad to work through the large
hole and look through the small viewing hole above. We have had the entire
tailplane torque tube out of the airplane using these holes.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
XS A185
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149431#149431
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| Subject: | Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
On Thursday, Nov 29, 2007, at 11:30 US/Pacific, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> would you like to tell us also
> the rest 3 things to ensure
> XS MW trouble free operations?
Raimo,
Happy to do so; from my notes of a conversation with William Mills at
Sun 'n Fun, 2007; also present was Terry Greaves; William made the
following recommendations:
1. Add weight in tail to get the CG at the aft limit,
2. Modify Graham Singleton's tail wheel mod (as per previous post),
3. Outrigger Rod Lengths: delay drilling the bolt holes into the wheel
brackets until the very end of your build; ensure that the O/R rods are
long enough so both wheels touch on level ground.
4. Make initial flights on grass.
Fred
PS: Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion of the tail wheel
issue. Too many years ago when I was considering building a Q-200, the
mantra was "Don't build in isolation!" and I recall making two short
trips to visit another builder to learn the special joys of hot-wiring
foam; such visits, a monthly newsletter, and Oshkosh forums were the
extent of the ability to share information. How different things are
today, w/ nearly instantaneous global feedback on any question which
arises from a variety of informed sources thanks to the internet, the
Europa Club, and folks like SteveD and Matt Draille.
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| Subject: | Re: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Ron & All
sorry I wasn't here earlier. Been away doing a Mod 73 and a PFA (LAA!)
seminar on how to inspect.
I designed the original mod to have the same geometry as the old Classic
steering (to give a useful turning circle on the ground.) Completing a
180 deg turn on the runway at Wombleton e.g.! but set the spring tension
to allow overiding the tailwheel springs with rudder deflection for
crosswind control. IOW the wheel would be in trail even with full rudder
deflection. Many of us have learnt to handle most conditions like this
but it does require instant response to yaw on the ground.
Experience has shown that having better tailwheel authority on the
ground is an advantage so a few people have tried 5 inches between the
cable attach points and found it works better (Jos) and one or two 6
inches, ( Brian Fogg) I think 6" is good but does increase the turning
circle a bit so you couldn't 180 at Wombleton. You'd need to persuade
the owner to widen the runway!
A couple of people (Tony Higgins) have used 6" and moved the attach
points rearwards like the factory configuration. (instead of the Vee I
use) The factory config. gives more authority at the extremes of the
range but has the disadvantage that the springs tend to pull the rudder
to one side or the other. Mine gives even spring tension across the
range of movement.
Graham
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
> Hi Nigel
>
> "Its sensitivity is dependent on the tension of the tailwheel springs so
> it is important to set those to your liking."
>
> My impression is if tailwheel drive springs are loose, it would be like
> driving a car with a worn rack and pinion?? You can do it, it will not be
> as sensitive as one with no play, but then again you will not be able to
> maintain precise directional control due to hysteresis.
>
> Please explain why loosing the springs would be more desirable to having
> precise control over tailwheel by rudder inputs and if too touchy then
> tame down by shorter drive moment arm or longer driven moment arm?
>
> Ron Parigoris
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Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Re: Modification to Wings |
Not recommended Tim.
It isn't chemically stable and tends to continue slowly expeanding for
years in my experience
Graham
Peter Timm wrote:
>
>
>
> Just finished installing the mod. 74 wing-root pins and it occurred to me,
> that filling the cavity drilled out of the blue foam could possibly be done
> with expanding foam. I have used this material before for other applications
> and find that it sticks to anything and can easily be sanded.
> Has anybody tried it, or could there be problems ?
>
> Peter Timm
> #110, Classic Mono
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Re: Rotamax 130 hp, 180 hp turbo |
Not sure that there are any advanages to these engines on the Europa. I'm looking
at 19K fire forward for the Jabira and 29K fire forward for the Rotex!!!
glenn crowder <gcrowder2@hotmail.com> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px;
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Heres a new engine to watch, 130 hp rotary NA and 180 hp turbo. The rotary power
fly boys are pretty excited about it!
http://www.rotaryae.com/
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| Subject: | FW: Harvard/ SNJ/Texan checklists |
Subject: Harvard/ SNJ/Texan checklists
This is the memory Vital Action checklist required of every cadet prior to
presence at "flights" (hangar line training), in the Empire and Commonwealth
Air Training Plans
which produced 1/4 million flyers in WW II and 45,000 post war. There were
of course variations according to aircraft type and theatre, but I used it
for most a/c until jets arrived - Lanc, C45, Dak, etc., even the T33. It is
generally possible to accomplish these while in formation without looking
into the cockpit too often. When that's needed the leader usually calls for
a loosening out.
B4 T/O - HTMPFFGGS
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HARNESS tight, locked
HOOD open/closed
HYDRAULICS pressure
TRIM t/o
TENSION tight
TEMPS,PRESS in green
MIXTURE rich
CARBHEAT cold
PITCH fine
FUEL fullest tank
FLAPS takeoff
GILLS set
GYROS unlocked (not gunsight*)
SWITCHES as req'd
AFTER T/O - BUMPH
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BRAKES on
UNDERCART - up
MIXTURE climb set
CARBHEAT set
PIITCH climb rpm
HOOD closed
INITIAL - UGBUM
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UNDERCART down
GAS fullest tank
BRAKES test
UNDERCART 3 green
MIXTURE rich
CARBHEAT hot check
FINAL - UPFH
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UNDERCART horn check
PITCH fine
FLAPS as req'd
HARNESS tight,locked
* applicable only to armament aircraft, ignored elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Anyone know who's plane this is? |
Anyone know who's plane this is and if it ever got completed?
http://robertbeck.net/lg_view.php?atid=37&aid 833&lnkname=The%20Road&mgd_id=1081
Ron Parigoris
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