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0. 12:15 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:34 AM - Fuel Joints (Flying Farmer)
2. 01:19 AM - Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? (Tim Ward)
3. 01:24 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (josok)
4. 01:56 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (Robert C Harrison)
5. 02:55 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (Flying Farmer)
6. 03:08 AM - Re: Fw: CofG, was Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (David Joyce)
7. 03:56 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (josok)
8. 04:52 AM - Re: Fuel Joints ()
9. 05:19 AM - Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? (John and Amy Eckel)
10. 08:36 AM - Unlist (Hans J. Danielsen)
11. 09:03 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (Rob Housman)
12. 09:39 AM - Dongle for tcu software? (Herve)
13. 12:51 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/29/07 (David.Corbett)
14. 01:41 PM - Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? (Rob Housman)
15. 01:41 PM - Re: Dongle for tcu software? (Simon Smith)
16. 02:05 PM - Dongle for tcu software? (Herve)
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
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Hi All,
I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know what is
best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My first thoughts
are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something El's?
Thank You
Richard Wheelwright.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? |
Ron,
Looks like Klaus Dietrich
Oracle Financing EMEA
Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825
http://www.oracle.com/financing
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
CHRISTCHURCH 8052
NEW ZEALAND
Ph :64 03 3515166
Mob: 021 0640221
email:
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is?
>
> Anyone know who's plane this is and if it ever got completed?
>
> http://robertbeck.net/lg_view.php?atid=37&aid 833&lnkname=The%20Road&mgd_id=1081
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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These are tapered threads eh? Just fitm dry. Anything else will end up in your
fuel filters or worse.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Hi! Richard
You will find that they are tapered threads which are meant to be dry
assembled, PTFE tape is notoriously dangerous for contaminating the fuel
system no matter how carefully used. I actually use just a slight
"smidge" of Hilomar jointing compound but only to stop the grinding
feeling as the unions are tightened.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying
Farmer
Sent: 30 November 2007 08:31
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Joints
<richard@scarrhillalpacas.co.uk>
Hi All,
I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know
what is best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My
first thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there
something El's?
Thank You
Richard Wheelwright.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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29/11/2007 20:32
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Jos & Bob
Thank you for your quick reply. Good advice, I see the threads are tapered now.
Thanx.
The Manual instructs the fixing on the gauze into the tank fitting with Redux !!!
I would take it from this that Redux is fuel resistant. I would like a neat
job here, If anyone has any pictures I would greatful. ( With the factory Fuel
drains)
Thank You Again
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Europa-List:CofG, was Singleton Tail Wheel Mod |
Raimo & Fred, William in my experience generally gave good advice, but as
reported the C of G advice is misleading. Flying with as rear as possible C
of G is good for tail wheel authority on the ground and for greater
efficiency and speed in the air, but of course flying with the C of G behind
the rear limit is bad for your health! I guess what William meant was
putting it back as far as possible so that in every loading combination it
would still be within the range. This however still requires it to be close
to mid range on the empty plane:
For an 830lb empty (APS wt) plane, adding 200lbs of pilot brings the
Cof G forwards 0.9 ins, but adding 80lbs of luggage puts it back 2.4 ins.
Flying with a 150lb pilot and 80 lbs luggage (probably the extreme
situation) combines to put the C of G back a bit over 1.4 ins. With the aft
C of G limit being 62.5 ins this suggests that it would be unwise to arrange
your empty C of G to be any further back than 61 ins. Those who are tempted
to take camping gear, a couple of bikes and the labrador might well need to
have it substantially further forward! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod
>
>
> On Thursday, Nov 29, 2007, at 11:30 US/Pacific, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> > would you like to tell us also
> > the rest 3 things to ensure
> > XS MW trouble free operations?
>
> Raimo,
>
> Happy to do so; from my notes of a conversation with William Mills at
> Sun 'n Fun, 2007; also present was Terry Greaves; William made the
> following recommendations:
>
> 1. Add weight in tail to get the CG at the aft limit,
>
> 2. Modify Graham Singleton's tail wheel mod (as per previous post),
>
> 3. Outrigger Rod Lengths: delay drilling the bolt holes into the wheel
> brackets until the very end of your build; ensure that the O/R rods are
> long enough so both wheels touch on level ground.
>
> 4. Make initial flights on grass.
>
> Fred
>
> PS: Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion of the tail wheel
> issue. Too many years ago when I was considering building a Q-200, the
> mantra was "Don't build in isolation!" and I recall making two short
> trips to visit another builder to learn the special joys of hot-wiring
> foam; such visits, a monthly newsletter, and Oshkosh forums were the
> extent of the ability to share information. How different things are
> today, w/ nearly instantaneous global feedback on any question which
> arises from a variety of informed sources thanks to the internet, the
> Europa Club, and folks like SteveD and Matt Draille.
>
>
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You are welcome :-)
And adding after the subject changes to restrainers:
After Bob told us about his emergency landing because of fuel starvation i decided
to have no restainers at all. Bob's restainers were reportedly clogged by
dog hair and lint. Quite understandable because the tank and snake material is
highly static. Somebody remarked that pea size pebbles might block the opening.
But since i do no expect pea size debris in the fuel i prefer to take that
risk. On the other hand, i expect restainers to be checked only ant yearly intervals.
I have been checking my gascolator every 5 hours till now, and have found
a few hairs, and some tank cutting fiber, no further debris.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Hi Richard
"I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know
what is best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My first
thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something
El's?"
As mentioned teflon tape is not a good idea. Besides chance of sending a
sliver somewhere especially if you ever remove and reinstall, it can
easily allow over tightening and break something, and perhaps not right
away!
Better off with no teflon tape dry than with.
That said, I began using just a little on threads, missing the first
thread all together of EZ Turn (Fuel Lube) purchased from Aircraft Spruce.
BTW I disassembled and very careful inspected supplied fuel selector, it
was OK and used EZ Turn to lubricate. There is more than one Cessna 150
that uses same valve that had instructor turn off fuel on student and have
it break closed. They can get very tight, best to keep lubed well. If you
find someone you don't like, put a smear of this wicked thick and
imposable to remove compound on their car windshield!
Then for majority of fuel system am using PTFE based thread compound,
again just a little and missing the first thread all together. This will
allow easy removal and install. After listening what Flowscan had to say
and my experience PTFE it is for me.
There are some instances, like on fuel tank output nipple with copper
extension for mono water drain, I used Redux. If fit was not the greatest
I have added just a little flox to Redux. You can probably remove (heating
would help I am sure) but would limit to things you are pretty certain you
will never touch. that is not the case for water drains that will need new
O-Rings / and or complete replacement after a while.
Flowscan 201Bs on some Certified Aircraft installs recommend dry install
of pipe threads. Flowscan themselves (and some certified installs)
recommends PTFE based thread compound. They are very specific as to which
type of compound, think it is a Loctite product which is what I am using.
If you need let me know and I will look up part number.
Note DO NOT INSTALL ALUMINIUM FITTINGS on a Flowsacn 201B transducer. I
hand screwed in by finger dry a 45 degree fitting to choose one with
thread that would allow proper orientation, and it galled and took out
half the threads on way out. I was able to hand grind a bottoming tap even
further, and got back half of normal threads and Redux/floxed it in place.
Whew.
I suppose if you have an aluminium body something or other (gasculator or
fuel selector) you could probably get away with using an aluminium fitting
if you used EZ Turn or PTFE based thread compound (or Redux), but I would
not. Better off using Brass, Stainless or Steel fitting to ward off
galling. You can not believe how a hand tightening could weld together
aluminium so well.
Having a Mono, I installed copper tube to reach aft section of tank. I
used this as an advantage and made my gauze filter close to two times the
length of factory recommended length. Instead of using factory supplied
screen that is very course, I went to about half as fine and used some
stainless steel mesh from McMaster Carr. Without the copper tube it would
be too long to support itself I fear. Thus turned an aluminium spacer that
was Reduxed to the copper tube as a support for end of screen! I also did
a two time wrap of safety wire at end over aluminium again Reduxed, and a
token 2 time wrap in center. Wayne can't find some early build pics, this
included. I did a quick test and am pretty confident that I can borrow
some dog hair from PTAG, and not have it pass screen and clog nipple
inlet, yet course enough to let through what I want.
I have a picture posted at:
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Begin-06-2003&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Under:
914 modular fuel system. Series with bypass, two Andair 375s.
Of my water drain location. I made these with 1/8" NPT for inlet (and
sight gauge) and 1/4NPT for drain. Sight gauge will be for ground checking
only (nipple has restrictor in it). Have Factory float style reed switch
gauge for inflight.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? |
The owner is Klaus Assion. He is a member of EAA Chap 176 in Pennington, NJ
where I am a member also.
He is making steady progress and has mounted the wings. I am not sure if
the top is on yet.
He is building the plane at the Doylestown airport...KDYL.
John Eckel
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From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:51 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is?
>
> Anyone know who's plane this is and if it ever got completed?
>
> http://robertbeck.net/lg_view.php?atid=37&aid 833&lnkname=The%20Road&mgd_id=1081
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
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Please unlist me from the list
Hans Danielsen
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Others have answered your question but another point should be made. I
found out that blindly following the factory's instructions, perhaps revised
since my installation, for the drain kit had me place the drains in the
wrong location. It seems that the factory neglected to note the difference
in attitude (on the ground) of the Tri-Gear and I failed to notice that the
drains were in the wrong place (above the bottom of the tank) until after
the fittings were bonded in place. Bummer.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying Farmer
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:31 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Joints
<richard@scarrhillalpacas.co.uk>
Hi All,
I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know
what is best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My first
thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something
El's?
Thank You
Richard Wheelwright.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Dongle for tcu software? |
Hi
We are currently trying to access our TCU on a Europa 914. We have in
our possession a copy of the relevent software (45 I think) but
require a dongle to operate it.
Does anyone have one that we could borrow?
Thanks
Herve
G-CHET
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| Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/29/07 |
Jim & Heather,
Many thanks for that; enlarging the hole is an option, but I am still hoping
for a genius to come up with a solution that will avoid that route!
Can you tell me what the issue date of your Manual, Chapter 23, is? My
equivalent chapter 24 was 17/1/96; I would like to know when the manual
upgraded the hole from 4" to 5".
David
-------------------------
We have been quite successful working in the rear of our XS using the access
holes
specified in CBM and Mono Build Manual Chapt 23. The actual opening is 4
inch diameter. The opening required in the skin was 5 inch diameter (see
the
diagram in paragraph 7). Perhaps you can enlarge the ones in your fuselage.
Granted, there is not a lot of room but it's not too bad to work through the
large
hole and look through the small viewing hole above. We have had the entire
tailplane torque tube out of the airplane using these holes.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
XS A185
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| Subject: | Anyone know who's plane this is? |
My old builder list (last S/N are UK223 and A208) shows only one Klaus:
KLAUS ASSION, A017, in Newtown, Pennsylvania. According to Microsoft
Streets and Trips Newtown is a 17 minute drive from Lambertville so
proximity suggest that this is the Klaus in the picture. None of the 100
Europa listed in the FAA database is owned by Klaus, nor is A017 listed, so
the question about completion is unanswered.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is?
Anyone know who's plane this is and if it ever got completed?
http://robertbeck.net/lg_view.php?atid=37&aid 833&lnkname=The%20Road&mgd_i
d=1081
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Dongle for tcu software? |
The factory has one for rent.
Simon
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herve
Sent: 30 November 2007 13:34
Subject: Europa-List: Dongle for tcu software?
Hi
We are currently trying to access our TCU on a Europa 914. We have in
our possession a copy of the relevent software (45 I think) but
require a dongle to operate it.
Does anyone have one that we could borrow?
Thanks
Herve
G-CHET
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| Subject: | Dongle for tcu software? |
Hi
We are currently trying to access our TCU on a Europa 914. We have in
our possession a copy of the relevent software (45 I think) but
require a dongle to operate it.
Does anyone have one that we could borrow?
Thanks
Herve
G-CHET
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