---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/30/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:15 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:34 AM - Fuel Joints (Flying Farmer) 2. 01:19 AM - Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? (Tim Ward) 3. 01:24 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (josok) 4. 01:56 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (Robert C Harrison) 5. 02:55 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (Flying Farmer) 6. 03:08 AM - Re: Fw: CofG, was Singleton Tail Wheel Mod (David Joyce) 7. 03:56 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (josok) 8. 04:52 AM - Re: Fuel Joints () 9. 05:19 AM - Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? (John and Amy Eckel) 10. 08:36 AM - Unlist (Hans J. Danielsen) 11. 09:03 AM - Re: Fuel Joints (Rob Housman) 12. 09:39 AM - Dongle for tcu software? (Herve) 13. 12:51 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/29/07 (David.Corbett) 14. 01:41 PM - Re: Anyone know who's plane this is? (Rob Housman) 15. 01:41 PM - Re: Dongle for tcu software? (Simon Smith) 16. 02:05 PM - Dongle for tcu software? (Herve) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:20 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then now is the time! 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My first thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something El's? Thank You Richard Wheelwright. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:55 AM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is? Ron, Looks like Klaus Dietrich Oracle Financing EMEA Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825 http://www.oracle.com/financing Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, CHRISTCHURCH 8052 NEW ZEALAND Ph :64 03 3515166 Mob: 021 0640221 email: ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is? > > Anyone know who's plane this is and if it ever got completed? > > http://robertbeck.net/lg_view.php?atid=37&aid 833&lnkname=The%20Road&mgd_id=1081 > > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:33 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Joints From: "josok" These are tapered threads eh? Just fitm dry. Anything else will end up in your fuel filters or worse. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:27 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Joints Hi! Richard You will find that they are tapered threads which are meant to be dry assembled, PTFE tape is notoriously dangerous for contaminating the fuel system no matter how carefully used. I actually use just a slight "smidge" of Hilomar jointing compound but only to stop the grinding feeling as the unions are tightened. Regards Bob Harrison.G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying Farmer Sent: 30 November 2007 08:31 Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Joints Hi All, I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know what is best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My first thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something El's? Thank You Richard Wheelwright. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org -- 29/11/2007 20:32 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:45 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Joints From: "Flying Farmer" Jos & Bob Thank you for your quick reply. Good advice, I see the threads are tapered now. Thanx. The Manual instructs the fixing on the gauze into the tank fitting with Redux !!! I would take it from this that Redux is fuel resistant. I would like a neat job here, If anyone has any pictures I would greatful. ( With the factory Fuel drains) Thank You Again Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:12 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Fw: Europa-List:CofG, was Singleton Tail Wheel Mod Raimo & Fred, William in my experience generally gave good advice, but as reported the C of G advice is misleading. Flying with as rear as possible C of G is good for tail wheel authority on the ground and for greater efficiency and speed in the air, but of course flying with the C of G behind the rear limit is bad for your health! I guess what William meant was putting it back as far as possible so that in every loading combination it would still be within the range. This however still requires it to be close to mid range on the empty plane: For an 830lb empty (APS wt) plane, adding 200lbs of pilot brings the Cof G forwards 0.9 ins, but adding 80lbs of luggage puts it back 2.4 ins. Flying with a 150lb pilot and 80 lbs luggage (probably the extreme situation) combines to put the C of G back a bit over 1.4 ins. With the aft C of G limit being 62.5 ins this suggests that it would be unwise to arrange your empty C of G to be any further back than 61 ins. Those who are tempted to take camping gear, a couple of bikes and the labrador might well need to have it substantially further forward! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Europa-List: Singleton Tail Wheel Mod > > > On Thursday, Nov 29, 2007, at 11:30 US/Pacific, Raimo Toivio wrote: > > > would you like to tell us also > > the rest 3 things to ensure > > XS MW trouble free operations? > > Raimo, > > Happy to do so; from my notes of a conversation with William Mills at > Sun 'n Fun, 2007; also present was Terry Greaves; William made the > following recommendations: > > 1. Add weight in tail to get the CG at the aft limit, > > 2. Modify Graham Singleton's tail wheel mod (as per previous post), > > 3. Outrigger Rod Lengths: delay drilling the bolt holes into the wheel > brackets until the very end of your build; ensure that the O/R rods are > long enough so both wheels touch on level ground. > > 4. Make initial flights on grass. > > Fred > > PS: Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion of the tail wheel > issue. Too many years ago when I was considering building a Q-200, the > mantra was "Don't build in isolation!" and I recall making two short > trips to visit another builder to learn the special joys of hot-wiring > foam; such visits, a monthly newsletter, and Oshkosh forums were the > extent of the ability to share information. How different things are > today, w/ nearly instantaneous global feedback on any question which > arises from a variety of informed sources thanks to the internet, the > Europa Club, and folks like SteveD and Matt Draille. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Joints From: "josok" You are welcome :-) And adding after the subject changes to restrainers: After Bob told us about his emergency landing because of fuel starvation i decided to have no restainers at all. Bob's restainers were reportedly clogged by dog hair and lint. Quite understandable because the tank and snake material is highly static. Somebody remarked that pea size pebbles might block the opening. But since i do no expect pea size debris in the fuel i prefer to take that risk. On the other hand, i expect restainers to be checked only ant yearly intervals. I have been checking my gascolator every 5 hours till now, and have found a few hairs, and some tank cutting fiber, no further debris. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Joints From: Hi Richard "I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know what is best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My first thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something El's?" As mentioned teflon tape is not a good idea. Besides chance of sending a sliver somewhere especially if you ever remove and reinstall, it can easily allow over tightening and break something, and perhaps not right away! Better off with no teflon tape dry than with. That said, I began using just a little on threads, missing the first thread all together of EZ Turn (Fuel Lube) purchased from Aircraft Spruce. BTW I disassembled and very careful inspected supplied fuel selector, it was OK and used EZ Turn to lubricate. There is more than one Cessna 150 that uses same valve that had instructor turn off fuel on student and have it break closed. They can get very tight, best to keep lubed well. If you find someone you don't like, put a smear of this wicked thick and imposable to remove compound on their car windshield! Then for majority of fuel system am using PTFE based thread compound, again just a little and missing the first thread all together. This will allow easy removal and install. After listening what Flowscan had to say and my experience PTFE it is for me. There are some instances, like on fuel tank output nipple with copper extension for mono water drain, I used Redux. If fit was not the greatest I have added just a little flox to Redux. You can probably remove (heating would help I am sure) but would limit to things you are pretty certain you will never touch. that is not the case for water drains that will need new O-Rings / and or complete replacement after a while. Flowscan 201Bs on some Certified Aircraft installs recommend dry install of pipe threads. Flowscan themselves (and some certified installs) recommends PTFE based thread compound. They are very specific as to which type of compound, think it is a Loctite product which is what I am using. If you need let me know and I will look up part number. Note DO NOT INSTALL ALUMINIUM FITTINGS on a Flowsacn 201B transducer. I hand screwed in by finger dry a 45 degree fitting to choose one with thread that would allow proper orientation, and it galled and took out half the threads on way out. I was able to hand grind a bottoming tap even further, and got back half of normal threads and Redux/floxed it in place. Whew. I suppose if you have an aluminium body something or other (gasculator or fuel selector) you could probably get away with using an aluminium fitting if you used EZ Turn or PTFE based thread compound (or Redux), but I would not. Better off using Brass, Stainless or Steel fitting to ward off galling. You can not believe how a hand tightening could weld together aluminium so well. Having a Mono, I installed copper tube to reach aft section of tank. I used this as an advantage and made my gauze filter close to two times the length of factory recommended length. Instead of using factory supplied screen that is very course, I went to about half as fine and used some stainless steel mesh from McMaster Carr. Without the copper tube it would be too long to support itself I fear. Thus turned an aluminium spacer that was Reduxed to the copper tube as a support for end of screen! I also did a two time wrap of safety wire at end over aluminium again Reduxed, and a token 2 time wrap in center. Wayne can't find some early build pics, this included. I did a quick test and am pretty confident that I can borrow some dog hair from PTAG, and not have it pass screen and clog nipple inlet, yet course enough to let through what I want. I have a picture posted at: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Begin-06-2003&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Under: 914 modular fuel system. Series with bypass, two Andair 375s. Of my water drain location. I made these with 1/8" NPT for inlet (and sight gauge) and 1/4NPT for drain. Sight gauge will be for ground checking only (nipple has restrictor in it). Have Factory float style reed switch gauge for inflight. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:54 AM PST US From: "John and Amy Eckel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is? The owner is Klaus Assion. He is a member of EAA Chap 176 in Pennington, NJ where I am a member also. He is making steady progress and has mounted the wings. I am not sure if the top is on yet. He is building the plane at the Doylestown airport...KDYL. John Eckel ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:51 AM Subject: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is? > > Anyone know who's plane this is and if it ever got completed? > > http://robertbeck.net/lg_view.php?atid=37&aid 833&lnkname=The%20Road&mgd_id=1081 > > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:07 AM PST US From: "Hans J. Danielsen" Subject: Europa-List: Unlist Please unlist me from the list Hans Danielsen ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:22 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Joints Others have answered your question but another point should be made. I found out that blindly following the factory's instructions, perhaps revised since my installation, for the drain kit had me place the drains in the wrong location. It seems that the factory neglected to note the difference in attitude (on the ground) of the Tri-Gear and I failed to notice that the drains were in the wrong place (above the bottom of the tank) until after the fittings were bonded in place. Bummer. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Tri-Gear S/N A070 Airframe complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying Farmer Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Joints Hi All, I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know what is best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My first thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something El's? Thank You Richard Wheelwright. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:45 AM PST US From: Herve Subject: Europa-List: Dongle for tcu software? Hi We are currently trying to access our TCU on a Europa 914. We have in our possession a copy of the relevent software (45 I think) but require a dongle to operate it. Does anyone have one that we could borrow? Thanks Herve G-CHET ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:06 PM PST US From: "David.Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/29/07 Jim & Heather, Many thanks for that; enlarging the hole is an option, but I am still hoping for a genius to come up with a solution that will avoid that route! Can you tell me what the issue date of your Manual, Chapter 23, is? My equivalent chapter 24 was 17/1/96; I would like to know when the manual upgraded the hole from 4" to 5". David ------------------------- We have been quite successful working in the rear of our XS using the access holes specified in CBM and Mono Build Manual Chapt 23. The actual opening is 4 inch diameter. The opening required in the skin was 5 inch diameter (see the diagram in paragraph 7). Perhaps you can enlarge the ones in your fuselage. Granted, there is not a lot of room but it's not too bad to work through the large hole and look through the small viewing hole above. We have had the entire tailplane torque tube out of the airplane using these holes. Jim & Heather N241BW XS A185 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:19 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is? My old builder list (last S/N are UK223 and A208) shows only one Klaus: KLAUS ASSION, A017, in Newtown, Pennsylvania. According to Microsoft Streets and Trips Newtown is a 17 minute drive from Lambertville so proximity suggest that this is the Klaus in the picture. None of the 100 Europa listed in the FAA database is owned by Klaus, nor is A017 listed, so the question about completion is unanswered. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Tri-Gear S/N A070 Airframe complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Anyone know who's plane this is? Anyone know who's plane this is and if it ever got completed? http://robertbeck.net/lg_view.php?atid=37&aid 833&lnkname=The%20Road&mgd_i d=1081 Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:57 PM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dongle for tcu software? The factory has one for rent. Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herve Sent: 30 November 2007 13:34 Subject: Europa-List: Dongle for tcu software? Hi We are currently trying to access our TCU on a Europa 914. We have in our possession a copy of the relevent software (45 I think) but require a dongle to operate it. Does anyone have one that we could borrow? Thanks Herve G-CHET ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:21 PM PST US From: Herve Subject: Europa-List: Dongle for tcu software? Hi We are currently trying to access our TCU on a Europa 914. We have in our possession a copy of the relevent software (45 I think) but require a dongle to operate it. Does anyone have one that we could borrow? 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