---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/01/07: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/29/07 (h&jeuropa) 2. 04:52 AM - Re: LG mounting frame (Richard Collings) 3. 07:19 AM - Membership (dvdpar@aol.com) 4. 07:47 AM - Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 (Fergus Kyle) 5. 08:01 AM - EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II (Fergus Kyle) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 (Ivor Phillips) 7. 08:46 AM - Re: Membership (Ivor Phillips) 8. 09:04 AM - Re: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II (Simon Smith) 9. 09:35 AM - Re: Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 (David Joyce) 10. 10:15 AM - Re: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II (josok) 11. 12:15 PM - Re: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II (Ivor Phillips) 12. 12:32 PM - Gascolator location (craig bastin) 13. 12:35 PM - enigma EFIS (craig bastin) 14. 12:45 PM - Re: enigma EFIS (Gilles Thesee) 15. 01:03 PM - Re: Gascolator location (Karl Heindl) 16. 01:11 PM - Aileron Tube (Rick Stockton) 17. 02:26 PM - Re: Question on Chapter 13 (Flying Farmer) 18. 03:03 PM - Re: Aileron Tube (Jeff B) 19. 03:36 PM - Re: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II (josok) 20. 04:04 PM - Re: Gascolator location (Robert C Harrison) 21. 04:55 PM - Re: Fuel Joints (John & Paddy Wigney) 22. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Question on Chapter 13 () 23. 06:20 PM - Re: Aileron Tube (Rick Stockton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/29/07 From: "h&jeuropa" David, That page in our manual is Mono Issue 2, 1 Oct 1999. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149834#149834 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:23 AM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: LG mounting frame Hi, relax you have in effect shrunk the bush into the hole and made a good engineering fit. What you need to do now is ream out the bush to the size of the shaft that fits it. If you don't have a reamer that size use a drill bit that mics up to the correct size. Don't use a power drill just a hand tee bar.To check the drill size is correct do a trial on a piece of aluminium first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: LG mounting frame > > Gentle Monowheelies, > > > In the midst of Chapter 21 M, last evening I got myself in a bit of a jamb > by the ever so slightest deviation from the build manual w/ regard to the > mounting of the LG01A bushes in the large diameter tube of the LG mounting > frame. Having become accustomed to press fitting and loctiting the smaller > bushes, I didn't hesitate to loctite the first of the two LG01A bushes by > gently tapping it in place with a rubber mallet after a minimal scouring > of the tube and the requisite cleaning and degreasing...but lo and behold, > I was surprised to find that the shaft LG09 no longer rotates freely > within the bushing; rather, the shaft has but a very tight interference > fit within the bushing. > > So.....what to do? > > I see my options to be (1) to hone the bushing carefully til the shaft > freely rotates, or (2) heat up the frame and bush to break the loctite > bond, remove the bush, and scour/sand the inner circumference of the tube > until the bush slides in neatly and then re-loctite. > > Have any of you had to deal with this problem?... if so, how did you solve > it? > > Any comments would be much appreciated. > > Fred > A194 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > 269.16.12/1162 - Release Date: 11/30/2007 21:26 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:09 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Membership From: dvdpar@aol.com I have forgotten my user name and password and cannot enter the site to change me email address, which is now dpark748@hotmail.co.uk. Can you do this for me and let me know my user/pass words, or do I have to deregister and start again? Regards? David Park ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:41 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 Cheers, This is directed to those having the above combination installed: I am wondering how you attached the MAP sensor to the engine successfully. I particular, if the sensor is on the source of remote and if the latter, what material you used to connect the two. I am fussing over inherent heat and vibration problems. Much obliged in expectation, Ferg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:25 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II Sorry, I MUST read my output more carefully - this should have read: Cheers, This is directed to those having the above combination installed: I am wondering how you attached the MAP sensor to the engine successfully. In particular, if the sensor is on the source or remote, and if the latter what material you used to connect the two. I am fussing over inherent heat and vibration problems. Much obliged in expectation, Ferg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:01 AM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 Hi Ferg I fitted the MAP sensor to the interior Firewall, Then used a bulkhead pipe fitting to carry the vacuum through the firewall using Silicone Vacuum pipe to the cross balance pipe between carburetors, Can send you a picture if needed, Regards Ivor -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: 01 December 2007 15:47 Subject: Europa-List: Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 Cheers, This is directed to those having the above combination installed: I am wondering how you attached the MAP sensor to the engine successfully. I particular, if the sensor is on the source of remote and if the latter, what material you used to connect the two. I am fussing over inherent heat and vibration problems. Much obliged in expectation, Ferg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:24 AM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Membership Hi David You will have to register again. The passwords are in scripted and cannot be retrieved, Regards Ivor -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dvdpar@aol.com Sent: 01 December 2007 15:18 Subject: Europa-List: Membership I have forgotten my user name and password and cannot enter the site to change me email address, which is now dpark748@hotmail.co.uk. Can you do this for me and let me know my user/pass words, or do I have to deregister and start again? Regards David Park _____ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour now. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:21 AM PST US From: Simon Smith Subject: Re: Europa-List: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II Ferg, I have the Dynon supplied MP sensor and the Smart avionics one for their prop controller. Both are mounted on the firewall and connected (using Europa supplied 6mm fuel tubing & a T piece) to the MP sensing point on the carb balance cross tube (or what ever it's called!) Simon Smith jodel@nildram.co.uk On 1 Dec 2007, at 16:00, Fergus Kyle wrote: > > Sorry, I MUST read my output more carefully - this should have read: > Cheers, > This is directed to those having the above combination installed: > I am wondering how you attached the MAP sensor to the engine > successfully. In particular, if the sensor is on the source or > remote, and > if the latter what material you used to connect the two. I am > fussing over > inherent heat and vibration problems. > Much obliged in expectation, > Ferg > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:13 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 Ferg, I have a slightly different combination (914 &Mark's controller) but the same problem. I have done the same as Ivor and brought the tubing through the firewall to mount the sensor within the cabin. One piece of advice I would offer is to put a small inline plastic fuel filter in to catch the gunge. Until my current panel upgrade I had the same line running from the cross balance pipe to a standard manifold pressure gauge on the panel. After 5 yrs the pipe had become heavily stained with what looked like condensed nicotine and the gauge had suffered heart failure! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Dynon EMS-D10/Rotax914 > > Cheers, > This is directed to those having the above combination installed: > I am wondering how you attached the MAP sensor to the engine > successfully. I particular, if the sensor is on the source of remote and if > the latter, what material you used to connect the two. I am fussing over > inherent heat and vibration problems. > Much obliged in expectation, > Ferg > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II From: "josok" Hi Ferg. Same as Simon, but only the Dynon sensor. Saves a T-piece, a sensor and some tubing and some weight. :-) The D180 map is a bit jumpy, too sensitive, whereas the Smart Avionics controller has a more steady reading. Both readings do precisely agree. The Smart Avionics controller also has a % power indication, which seems to be pretty precise. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:26 PM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II Jos If you put a small restrictor in the feed to the Map sensor it will smooth out the pulses so the Dynon can handle the fluctuation , Regards Ivor The D180 map is a bit jumpy, too sensitive, whereas the Smart Avionics controller has a more steady reading. Both readings do precisely agree. The Smart Avionics controller also has a % power indication, which seems to be pretty precise. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:16 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: Gascolator location Just after suggestions on where people are mounting their gascolators in the trigear version, I was thinking about the back of the baggage bay bulkhead, as that should be below the tank bottoms and idealy the lowest point, but it looks to me like the flap drive will prevent this location. My other thought was inside the tunnel under the throttle etc, this would require getting right under the A/C to check drains etc. I am ready to bond cockpit module in, but want to do as much of this "hidden" stuff as i can before I do bond it in. I have seen a Mono with a small side door for this, but have doubts about the height relative to the tank in the tri regards craig 9:26 PM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:18 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: enigma EFIS Has anyone got/using an enigma EFIS, the price and functions look good, but i have heard they are having a few problems with the early ones breaking down, and taking about 6 weeks to fix regards craig 9:26 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:46 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: enigma EFIS > Has anyone got/using an enigma EFIS, the price and functions look good, but > i have heard they are > having a few problems with the early ones breaking down, and taking about 6 > weeks to fix > Craig, FWIW, installed one 6 months ago in two friends' plane. The airplane has flown 85 hours since, they say they are pleased with it. Only flew twice behind it, the last time 30 minutes this morning. But nevertheless the impression is good. Great service from the local dealer. A breeze to install, really sunlight readable, lots of funtions and easy to setup. Easy to use on cruise or takeoff/landing. Will report when I'll know more about the beast. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:02 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gascolator location I mounted my mini gascolator on the starboard wall in the open space next t o the nosegear suspension. It is mounted low for easy access and cooling. Fuel pump is mounted above t hat on the same wall. Karl
> From: craigb@onthenet.com.au> To: europa-list@mat ronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: Gascolator location> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 200 gb@onthenet.com.au>> > Just after suggestions on where people are mounting their gascolators in the> trigear version, I was thinking about the back of the> baggage bay bulkhead, as that should be below the tank bottoms and id ealy> the lowest point, but it looks to me like> the flap drive will preven t this location. My other thought was inside the> tunnel under the throttle etc, this would require getting> right under the A/C to check drains etc. I am ready to bond cockpit module> in, but want to do as much of this "hidd en" stuff as i can> before I do bond it in. I have seen a Mono with a small side door for this,> but have doubts about the height relative to the tank -======================== =================> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:30 PM PST US From: Rick Stockton Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Tube Charpter 13, states that CS05 is a 1 1/4 Steel tube. I've checked both my manual and the web manual. Both show a steel tube. I didn't get a steel 1 1/4" tube, but I do have a 1 1/4" alumimun tube. Is the manual a misprint? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:25 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Question on Chapter 13 From: "Flying Farmer" Hi, I have just nicely fitted the CS05 tube to my CM and it is definitely an Anodized steel tube. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:20 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron Tube Rick, the aileron tubes are indeed aluminum... Jeff - Baby Blue 345 hrs Rick Stockton wrote: > Charpter 13, states that CS05 is a 1 1/4 Steel tube. I've checked both > my manual and the web manual. Both show a steel tube. I didn't get a > steel 1 1/4" tube, but I do have a 1 1/4" alumimun tube. Is the manual > a misprint? > > > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: EMS-D10/Rotax914 - version II From: "josok" Hi Ivor, The restrictor option crossed my mind, for a very brief moment. As the CS controller, with exactly the same input clearly shows, it is possible to smooth out electronically. That way the sensitivity and lag are adjustable, a restrictor is not. Maybe Mike should offer his services at Dynon, or should start making his own EFIS/EMS. Basically, mechanical solutions are born dead, just like the typewriter we all once admired. Long live the sixpack :-) Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:10 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gascolator location Hi! Karl May I suggest that being next to nose gear suspension it will likely be quite a hot place with all the heated air departing the cowling there. Mine are mounted on the intermediate removable bulkhead which is much further aft and indeed I have another bulkhead forward just behind the nose wheel suspension springs which make them still more protected from heat. In fact G-PTAG was built as a convertible so having cut out the Mono wheel belly I now use it as a belly plate and all the pumps and non return valves are mounted on it with the aft 1/3rd hinged to allow it to open with only 4 screws. At the aft end of this belly plate there is a small door with the clip latch above which there is the water check valves in the bottom of the gascolators. Never had vapour problems even with the Jabiru 6 and it was all air cooled. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: 01 December 2007 21:03 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gascolator location I mounted my mini gascolator on the starboard wall in the open space next to the nosegear suspension. It is mounted low for easy access and cooling. Fuel pump is mounted above that on the same wall. Karl
> From: craigb@onthenet.com.au > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Gascolator location > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 06:34:48 +1000 > > > Just after suggestions on where people are mounting their gascolators in the > trigear version, I was thinking about the back of the > baggage bay bulkhead, as that should be below the tank bottoms and idealy > the lowest point, but it looks to me like > the flap drive will prevent this location. My other thought was inside the > tunnel under the throttle etc, this would require getting > right under the A/C to check drains etc. I am ready to bond cockpit module > in, but want to do as much of this "hidden" stuff as i can > before I do bond it in. I have seen a Mono with a small side door for this, > but have doubts about the height relative to the tank > in the tri > > regards > >========== > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:33 PM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Joints Hi Richard, I think it is best to avoid PTFE tape for aircraft use. It is forbidden in the petrochemical industry. I believe there was one huge disaster which was traced to a loose piece of PTFE lodged in a pressure control valve. Anyway, I recommend Hylomar Universal Blue (was PL32M), see http://www.hylomar.com/universal_blue_4.shtml, for fuel joints and gaskets. This has been around for a long time and was originally developed by Rolls Royce for gas turbine use. It does not set up hard and joints and threaded connections can be remade. A light touch only would be needed on the fuel drain fittings. It is tough to clean up and I find that a dab of methylene chloride on a rag will do the trick. Also see http://www.silmid.com/search/search2.asp?keyword=Hylomar&product_line=%25SEA%25&heading=Hylomar and http://www.hylomar-usa.com/_resources/_html/order.html for order details. Cheers, John N262WF Mooresville, North Carolina ORIGINAL MESSAGE Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Joints From: "Flying Farmer" Hi All, I am fitting the factory water drains to to my tank and wanted to know what is best to seal the threads where the joints screw together? My first thoughts are PTFE Thread tape, or a smear of Redux. Or is there something El's? Thank You Richard Wheelwright. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Question on Chapter 13 Hi Richard, You can't anodise steel tube - only aluminium can be anodised (oxide layer)!!! Steel can be powder coated or painted. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flying Farmer" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Question on Chapter 13 > > Hi, > I have just nicely fitted the CS05 tube to my CM and it is definitely an Anodized steel tube. > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > -- 11/27/2007 11:40 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:19 PM PST US From: Rick Stockton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron Tube I found the steel tubes. They were wrapped in bubble wrap an in the attic. I checked the inventory sheet and saw that I had put them in the attic when I got the kit. thanks Rick Stockton wrote: Charpter 13, states that CS05 is a 1 1/4 Steel tube. I've checked both my manual and the web manual. Both show a steel tube. I didn't get a steel 1 1/4" tube, but I do have a 1 1/4" alumimun tube. Is the manual a misprint? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.