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1. 12:53 AM - Mod 74 (Richard Lamprey)
2. 12:56 AM - Re: Gascolator location (raggi6771)
3. 01:29 AM - Re: Mod 74 (Pete Lawless)
4. 03:57 AM - Re: Gascolator location (David Joyce)
5. 04:03 AM - Re: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 (David Joyce)
6. 04:56 AM - AW: Aileron Tube (UVTReith)
7. 06:43 AM - Ground switch (Europa (Alfred Buess))
8. 07:45 AM - Re: Mod 74 (John Price)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 (William Harrison)
10. 11:02 AM - Re: Ground switch (G-IANI)
11. 11:23 AM - Re: Membership (SteveD)
12. 12:01 PM - Re: Ground switch (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
13. 12:12 PM - Re: Ground switch (Mark Burton)
14. 01:48 PM - Re: Membership (david park)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: Membership (Robert C Harrison)
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Message for those attempting Mod 74, and things they dont tell you.
Perhaps others have found this easy, mine was quite tricky..
You are going to have to spend many hours hanging like a monkey in the
baggage bay, in a confined space, wondering which hand to use to
drill/turn nuts etc... unless you are 18 years old and supple, your
muscles and joints will ache. In this confined space, you will have to
precision drill through interlocking spring steel fittings, eg through
tie bar/W35 end fittings, and W34 plates. Ordinary drill bits will not
suffice, and on occasion everything had to come out for finishing with a
pillar drill..
The holes are close against the rear of the cockpit module, where
ordinary electric drills have no space for a vertical alignment. If you
try with an ordinary electric drill - unless it has a 45 or 90 degree
end fitting (= very costly type of drill) - you will fail and make a
mess of parts like I did. Equals long delay and cost as you order new
parts through DHL (I am based in Kenya with Europa 5Y-LRY).
I did my work in a maintenance/repair hangar in Nairobi facility for
Cessna Citations and Beech King Airs, so no shortage of tools/expertise.
But still this was challenging. I used a pneumatic 45 degree drill,
with cobalt bit, and eventually got things straight. But the message
is.. dont rush, get the right tools, or you will find it impossible to
do this mod correctly... some 42 separate holes have to line up
precisely. You will need a 45 or 90 degree angled drill, which is not a
common tool.
Afterwards you may need some physiotherapy.
Regards to all.
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolator location |
Thanks all especially Mike, Ivor and Gerry for the great pics, I have
opted for a combo of most of yours. Gascolators (two, main and reserve)
about 400mm from the firewall in the tunnel, back to the fuel selector, then through
the secondary pump and through to the engine, with the
removable outer panel with a door in it for quick access to the drains, I
"borrowed" Jeff Roberts (thanks Jeff for the pics) mod for the console so
it all looks as though it will work nicely, without the need to do tight 90 degree
bends etc :)
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Lamprey
Sent: 02 December 2007 08:51
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74
Message for those attempting Mod 74, and things they dont tell you.
Perhaps others have found this easy, mine was quite tricky..
You are going to have to spend many hours hanging like a monkey in the
baggage bay, in a confined space, wondering which hand to use to
drill/turn
nuts etc... unless you are 18 years old and supple, your muscles and
joints
will ache. In this confined space, you will have to precision drill
through
interlocking spring steel fittings, eg through tie bar/W35 end fittings,
and
W34 plates. Ordinary drill bits will not suffice, and on occasion
everything
had to come out for finishing with a pillar drill..
The holes are close against the rear of the cockpit module, where
ordinary
electric drills have no space for a vertical alignment. If you try with
an
ordinary electric drill - unless it has a 45 or 90 degree end fitting
(
very costly type of drill) - you will fail and make a mess of parts like
I
did. Equals long delay and cost as you order new parts through DHL (I
am
based in Kenya with Europa 5Y-LRY).
I did my work in a maintenance/repair hangar in Nairobi facility for
Cessna
Citations and Beech King Airs, so no shortage of tools/expertise. But
still
this was challenging. I used a pneumatic 45 degree drill, with cobalt
bit,
and eventually got things straight. But the message is.. dont rush, get
the
right tools, or you will find it impossible to do this mod correctly...
some
42 separate holes have to line up precisely. You will need a 45 or 90
degree angled drill, which is not a common tool.
Afterwards you may need some physiotherapy.
Regards to all.
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolator location |
Craig, Mine (in a mono, but I think it would be just as satisfactory in a
trigear) is attached to the medial R plywood support of the baggage bay. It
has a drain tap at its bottom which is easily accessed through a small flap
on the fuselage bottom, for day to day checking for water. My fuel pumps and
a fuel pressure sensor are mounted on the adjacent outer plywood support
which is convenient. Access for maintenance or taking out the filter screen
for cleaning is through the starboard baggage bay access flap. The system
has worked well for me over 5 1/2 yrs and I would choose it if building
again. As a point of general principle I feel it is sound practice to have
as little as possible of the fuel system located firewell forward
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Gascolator location
>
> Just after suggestions on where people are mounting their gascolators in
the
> trigear version, I was thinking about the back of the
> baggage bay bulkhead, as that should be below the tank bottoms and idealy
> the lowest point, but it looks to me like
> the flap drive will prevent this location. My other thought was inside the
> tunnel under the throttle etc, this would require getting
> right under the A/C to check drains etc. I am ready to bond cockpit module
> in, but want to do as much of this "hidden" stuff as i can
> before I do bond it in. I have seen a Mono with a small side door for
this,
> but have doubts about the height relative to the tank
> in the tri
>
> regards
>
> craig
> 9:26 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 |
David, I would go for enlarging the panel, but if you can't face that then I
suggest trying to find a slim youth, probably female, with skinny arms, who
can be briefed and bribed to do the needful! If my 6ft 2" oarsman's arm will
go through the 5" one (albeit with the loss of the occasional bit of skin)
then there ought to be someone built like a fashionable clothes horse who
can access your panel!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "David.Corbett" <david.corbett5@btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15
> Service Bulletin 15 requires application of Loctite 603 (after degreasing)
> to the surface of TP4 in certain places.
>
>
> My aircraft, serial 265, was built according to a Manual dated January
1996.
> Chapter 24, page 24-3, required an inspection panel of 4" circumference at
> the rear of the fuselage, and that is what I built into my aircraft.
>
>
> Can anyone suggest how I can carry out SB 15 through this 4" hole, which
is
> of course reduced in internal diameter by the tabs that hold the retaining
> screws? There is no way that I can reach TP4 and its fittings, even with
my
> very skinny arms.
>
>
> I could, of course, climb into the fuselage, lying on multiple cushions,
etc
> - but I doubt if I would ever get out again! I had quite enough trouble
> doing that when I did Mod 70 a few years ago.
>
>
> How are other owners with 4" inspection holes carrying out this SB?
>
>
> I know some aircraft have 5" holes there - including one here at Shobdon
> which is much older than mine.
>
>
> Any ideas will be most welcome - thank you all.
>
>
> David
>
> UK 265 G-BZAM 460 hrs
>
>
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Hi Europa Family.
There was a change on material.
The latest kits have a stainless steel tubes.
Bruno Reith
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff B
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007 23:19
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Aileron Tube
Rick, the aileron tubes are indeed aluminum...
Jeff - Baby Blue
345 hrs
Rick Stockton wrote:
> Charpter 13, states that CS05 is a 1 1/4 Steel tube. I've checked both
> my manual and the web manual. Both show a steel tube. I didn't get a
> steel 1 1/4" tube, but I do have a 1 1/4" alumimun tube. Is the manual
> a misprint?
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Hi collective Europa wisdom,
I soon will have to install a mode S transponder in my panel. It offers
input from a ground switch, that changes the transponder mode from standby
to active when the A/C is in the air. Has anyone a good idea for a simple
way to install a ground switch in a monowheel Europa?
Cheers,
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Zollikofen, Switzerland
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
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You are so right.
A bit of help here is that you can geta 90 degree angled head that will fit into the end of your drill. It will enable you to get into those tight spaces a bit easier without having to buy an angled drill. They retail approx12-15 also a flexable shaft attachment may help 24-26 Try www.toolbox.co.uk
Another problemyou may encounteris if you have an early classic model the cockpit
module may be set to far aft or not square thus reducing the space between
the tie bar and the baggage bay forward bulkhead. This means that you may not
have enough space to fit the W35 gusset plates through the marine plywood blocks.
[Idea] Fear not this problem has beem solved if anyone wants to know the
PFA approved way please let me know. :D
Regards to all,
John Price
G-SHSH
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15 |
If you are anywhere near Cambridge there is a very skinny engineering
lecturer/PPL here (colleague of Mike Gregory) who volunteered to
crawl down my fuselage to change my mass balance arm (mod 70?) in
exchange for a flight. In the end I did it myself via the inspection
hole in the classic style of a vetinary surgeon....
Cheers
Willie
On 2 Dec 2007, at 12:03, David Joyce wrote:
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> David, I would go for enlarging the panel, but if you can't face
> that then I
> suggest trying to find a slim youth, probably female, with skinny
> arms, who
> can be briefed and bribed to do the needful! If my 6ft 2" oarsman's
> arm will
> go through the 5" one (albeit with the loss of the occasional bit
> of skin)
> then there ought to be someone built like a fashionable clothes
> horse who
> can access your panel!
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David.Corbett" <david.corbett5@btinternet.com>
> To: "Europa Forum " <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:17 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - Service Bulletin 15
>
>
>> Service Bulletin 15 requires application of Loctite 603 (after
>> degreasing)
>> to the surface of TP4 in certain places.
>>
>>
>>
>> My aircraft, serial 265, was built according to a Manual dated
>> January
> 1996.
>> Chapter 24, page 24-3, required an inspection panel of 4"
>> circumference at
>> the rear of the fuselage, and that is what I built into my aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone suggest how I can carry out SB 15 through this 4" hole,
>> which
> is
>> of course reduced in internal diameter by the tabs that hold the
>> retaining
>> screws? There is no way that I can reach TP4 and its fittings,
>> even with
> my
>> very skinny arms.
>>
>>
>>
>> I could, of course, climb into the fuselage, lying on multiple
>> cushions,
> etc
>> - but I doubt if I would ever get out again! I had quite enough
>> trouble
>> doing that when I did Mod 70 a few years ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> How are other owners with 4" inspection holes carrying out this SB?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know some aircraft have 5" holes there - including one here at
>> Shobdon
>> which is much older than mine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas will be most welcome - thank you all.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> UK 265 G-BZAM 460 hrs
>>
>>
>
>
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My Garmin GTX 327 has always had a ground switch. I have spent four
years trying to think up a simple reliable switch with no success so
far.
Any good idea welcome.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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I have forgotten my user name and password and cannot enter the site to change
me email address, which is now dpark748@hotmail.co.uk. Can you do this for me
and let me know my user/pass words, or do I have to deregister and start again?
Regards David Park
Hi Dave,
Are your taking about the EuropaOwners site? I can fix you up if you are.
I tried to email you off list but your spam filter won't let me email you....
Email me at EuropaForum@comcast.net for a reset.
Steved
www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Ground switch |
Additional output/switch on a 'Smartass'; so speed related rather than
ground proximity?
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ground switch
>
>
> My Garmin GTX 327 has always had a ground switch. I have spent four
> years trying to think up a simple reliable switch with no success so
> far.
>
> Any good idea welcome.
>
> Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ground switch |
> Any good idea welcome.
Well, as I mentioned in an email to Alfred, I can't offer a ground switch but I
am working on a new product which is simply an easily configurable airspeed monitor
which you could use to enable a transponder as you pass 40 kts (or whatever).
It has 4 outputs which can be used to drive indicators or other systems. Each output
can be configured to go active when the airspeed is below some threshold,
above a threshold or in a band. It also has 3 inputs which can be used to disable
the outputs (undercarriage switch). Oh and it also has an analogue output
driven from the airspeed. It has no controls, configuration is done by plugging
the box into a USB port of your PC/laptop (unit doesn't need to be installed
in aircraft to configure) and running a program that let's you set up the thresholds,
switches, etc.
It could be used for undercarriage warning, flap warning, transponder enabling,
flying hours counter enabling, etc.
It's not quite ready for manufacture, but won't be long now.
Price is not yet determined but it should be around the 100 GBP mark (+VAT/delivery).
It will be available at www.smartavionics.com sometime in January 2008.
Cheers,
Mark
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My new email is dpark748@hotmail.co.uk, its OK I can still get on the owner
s site. It was just that I want the europa list on matronics to use my new
hotmail not the AOL one
Regards Dave
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Membership> From: Post2Forum@comcast.net> Date:
Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:22:22 +0200> To: europa-list@matronics.com> > --> Europ
a-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>> > I have forgo
tten my user name and password and cannot enter the site to change me email
address, which is now dpark748@hotmail.co.uk. Can you do this for me and l
et me know my user/pass words, or do I have to deregister and start again?>
Regards David Park> > Hi Dave,> Are your taking about the EuropaOwners sit
e? I can fix you up if you are.> I tried to email you off list but your spa
m filter won't let me email you....> Email me at EuropaForum@comcast.net fo
r a reset.> > Steved> www.EuropaOwners.org> > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaO
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Hi! David.
Mail to Matt Dralle at the Matronics site with your request he should
pretty quickly attend to your request. All the addresses are obtained by
clicking on to the appropriate one at the end of any Europa Forum
Message. Address your request to :- The Administrator.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david park
Sent: 02 December 2007 21:48
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Membership
My new email is dpark748@hotmail.co.uk, its OK I can still get on the
owners site. It was just that I want the europa list on matronics to use
my new hotmail not the AOL one
Regards Dave
_____
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Membership
> From: Post2Forum@comcast.net
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:22:22 +0200
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have forgotten my user name and password and cannot enter the site
to change me email address, which is now dpark748@hotmail.co.uk. Can you
do this for me and let me know my user/pass words, or do I have to
deregister and start again?
> Regards David Park
>
> Hi Dave,
> Are your taking about the EuropaOwners site? I can fix you up if you
are.
> I tried to email you off list but your spam filter won't let me email
you....
> Email me at EuropaForum@comcast.net for a reset.
>
> Steved
> www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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