---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/03/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:50 AM - Re: Re: Mod 74 (Richard Collings) 2. 03:43 AM - West Systems Epoxy (craig bastin) 3. 04:15 AM - Re: West Systems Epoxy (Robert Borger) 4. 06:22 AM - Re: West Systems Epoxy (Graham Singleton) 5. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: RE Throttle Cables (Jeff B) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: enigma EFIS (ALAN YERLY) 7. 08:10 AM - Re: enigma EFIS (Gilles Thesee) 8. 10:33 AM - Paul McAllister's website (Europa (Alfred Buess)) 9. 11:35 AM - Europa XS Tri-gear kit for sale (John and Amy Eckel) 10. 12:14 PM - Shoulder harness restraint (Fred Klein) 11. 12:38 PM - 912S rectifier regulator - spare parts shortage? (John & Paddy Wigney) 12. 12:59 PM - Re: Shoulder harness restraint (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 13. 01:45 PM - Re: Shoulder harness restraint (Laptop JR) 14. 02:13 PM - Re: 912S rectifier regulator - spare parts shortage? (Ivor Phillips) 15. 02:26 PM - Re: Shoulder harness restraint (Robert C Harrison) 16. 03:24 PM - Re: Shoulder harness restraint (Fred Klein) 17. 03:39 PM - Re: Shoulder harness restraint (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:32 AM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mod 74 Hi I am still building my XS Tri-gear with a long way to go. I have just finished fitting the tie bar and rear wing mounts etc. I picked up an angle drill attachment complete with flexible drives 2 off from Aldi. Its cheep but it works and I will probably only use it a few times on the whole project . Best of luck Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Price" Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mod 74 > > > You are so right. > A bit of help here is that you can geta 90 degree angled head that will > fit into the end of your drill. It will enable you to get into those tight > spaces a bit easier without having to buy an angled drill. They retail > approx12-15 also a flexable shaft attachment may help 24-26 Try > www.toolbox.co.uk > > Another problemyou may encounteris if you have an early classic model the > cockpit module may be set to far aft or not square thus reducing the space > between the tie bar and the baggage bay forward bulkhead. This means that > you may not have enough space to fit the W35 gusset plates through the > marine plywood blocks. [Idea] Fear not this problem has beem solved if > anyone wants to know the PFA approved way please let me know. :D > > Regards to all, > > John Price > G-SHSH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150029#150029 > > > -- > 12/1/2007 12:05 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:29 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: West Systems Epoxy I have run out of ampreg 20, and dont wish to order more from the UK (is it even still available) I feel I have seen people saying that the 105 system is a suitable substitute for the ampreg 20 is this correct, the local supplier of west clammed up as soon as i said "aircraft" craig 8:34 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:02 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: West Systems Epoxy Craig, Here in the "States" we use Aeropoxy. The folks who make it and who sell it expect it to be used for aircraft construction. I order mine from Aircraft Spruce. It is available from other aircraft parts suppliers as well. Perhaps there's a dealer in Oz as well. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger On Monday, December 03, 2007, at 05:56AM, "craig bastin" wrote: > >I have run out of ampreg 20, and dont wish to order more from the UK (is it >even still available) >I feel I have seen people saying that the 105 system is a suitable >substitute for the ampreg 20 > >is this correct, the local supplier of west clammed up as soon as i said >"aircraft" > >craig >8:34 PM > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:20 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: West Systems Epoxy Craig my preferred resin is MGS 285, it's made by Schueffler in Germany and is used on certified aircraft. It's much more tolerant and much less toxic than some of the others. There are various hardener speeds. Graham craig bastin wrote: > > I have run out of ampreg 20, and dont wish to order more from the UK (is it > even still available) > I feel I have seen people saying that the 105 system is a suitable > substitute for the ampreg 20 > > is this correct, the local supplier of west clammed up as soon as i said > "aircraft" > > craig > 8:34 PM > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:39 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: RE Throttle Cables Perhaps I'm not clear on the process, but, what would one use to connect the solid cable to the standard Europa throttle arm? Are the stock fittings available without cable inserted? Thanks, Jeff - Baby Blue 346hrs h&jeuropa wrote: > > Hi Troy, > > We tried to find piano wire to fit in the Europa supplied housings but were unable to make that work. We purchased piano wire from McMaster but it comes rolled in a 6" diameter coil and we were unable to get the wire straight enough to work in the housings. > > So we purchased Bouden cables from ACS, PN 05-15500. To connect to the carbs & throttle housing we used conduit adjusters from Lockwood PN BR03K. Had to drill them out to fit the ACS cable but the system works very nicely. Also lubed the Bouden cable assemblies with graphite lube. > > Eric Trombley had a post on the forum several years ago on how he did this. > > Jim & Heather Butcher > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147464#147464 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:00 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: enigma EFIS Craig, I am looking at the installation in an Apollo Fox, and so far these are the comments: The fittings are very delicate, and easily broken. It is very light in weight and high on features but flimsey. Support wires and tubes coming off the unit. Engine readouts seem accurate, but the company installing it did no calibration to speak of. Support is distant. Should it break down, you are looking at a long term grounding. In-flight: I've flown with it and it appears to be quite readable, but very busy. I find I have to look at the unit and focus to get the information that used to take only a glance. Like any electronic component, learn the buttons. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Europa-List: enigma EFIS > Has anyone got/using an enigma EFIS, the price and functions look good, but i have heard they are having a few problems with the early ones breaking down, and taking about 6 weeks to fix regards craig 9:26 PM http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:29 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: enigma EFIS ALAN YERLY a crit : > In-flight: > I've flown with it and it appears to be quite readable, but very > busy. I find I have to look at the unit and focus to get the > information that used to take only a glance. > Like any electronic component, learn the buttons. Bud and all, Are you aware that the display is fully configurable, and you can have it exactly the way you wish ? It takes a downloadable configuration tool and a PC to change the display. Concerning the connections, yes they look like those in my washing machine, but it is easy to secure them properly with some varnish on the screws and a pair of Ty-Wraps. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:20 AM PST US From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: Europa-List: Paul McAllister's website Hi, Is Paul McAllister's website (http://europa363.versadev.com/) down or did he change provider? I have no access to it. Alfred Alfred Buess, Switzerland Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:38 AM PST US From: "John and Amy Eckel" Subject: Europa-List: Europa XS Tri-gear kit for sale Kit number A230 is for sale. It is an XS Trigear with the Rotax 912 firewall forward kit. All the control surfaces are finished. The wings are not closed and the top is not on so the plane is still at a point where personal touches can be easily added. The cockpit module is bonded in place and the landing gear in installed. If you have any interest at all email me with a phone number and we can talk. I am asking $34,500 USD. This is about $7,000 less than a new kit. John Eckel eckel1@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint From: Fred Klein Hi guys, Just wanted to share a solution to the issue of raising the shoulder harness restraint sufficiently to minimize the potential for spinal compression during a rapid deceleration event. This approach allows for one to sit upon the existing head rest while entering and exiting the aircraft, does not encroach upon the access to the baggage area, confines all forces to the CM rather than transferring them to the fuselage shell, and can easily be added to a completed and upholstered cockpit. Although the riser weighs but 10 oz., it is robust enough to withstand the compression load generated by a 1500# tension load on the straps measured at an angle of 90 degrees to the slope of the back of the headrest; testing was done using a 20 ton hydraulic press. Assuming an upper body wgt. of 100#, it would be good for 15 Gs. Comments appreciated! Fred A194 PS: If anyone wants to duplicate this as a nice little winter project, I could be persuaded to put together some kits of the hot-wired foam, hinges, acft. plywood, and instructions...contact me off-list. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Roll 30 - 6 Roll 30 - 7 Roll 30 - 8 Roll 38 - 10 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:16 PM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: 912S rectifier regulator - spare parts shortage? Dear Europaphiles, There has been quite a bit of discussion over the years regarding the standard rectifier regulator. My second unit failed recently and I am unhappy to find that Lockwood Aviation appears to be unable to get enough supplies from Rotax /Ducati. Details are :- * Dec 4th 2001. First flight * June 21st 2005 - 406 hours. Erratic charging, rectifier regulator replaced. * Oct.7th, 2007 - 561 hours. Generator warning red light - no charging. Diagnosed as rectifier regulator problem. * Oct 10th, 2007. Replacement ordered from Lockwood Aviation. * Nov 2nd, 2007. Lockwood advises that a limited shipment had been received from Rotax but other orders in front of mine had to be filled first. Not enough units to allow them to ship my order. No information on when my order will be shipped. I had previously checked other suppliers in North America and they also did not have the unit in stock. My question is - What experience has there been with the Schicke GR4 & GR6 generator regulator? ( http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dindex2.htm ) Can anyone advise the price on this ? I am aware that Schicke will not ship to the US. I will be fitting some dedicated cooling airflow if and when I receive my new regulator. Does anyone have any other ideas? Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:59 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint Fred, Ingenious with respect to structure and "hinging out of the way", but: Do you see a risk in the harnesses cutting into each side of your neck when under significant tension, since the two harness parts are restrained in the center just behind the neck? The normal spread angle between the two parts (supposedly comfortably snug on each side of the neck during normal flight) will tend to narrow under tension, will it not? Best regards, Svein LN-SKJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint > Hi guys, > > Just wanted to share a solution to the issue of raising the shoulder > harness restraint sufficiently to minimize the potential for spinal > compression during a rapid deceleration event. > > This approach allows for one to sit upon the existing head rest while > entering and exiting the aircraft, does not encroach upon the access to > the baggage area, confines all forces to the CM rather than > transferring them to the fuselage shell, and can easily be added to a > completed and upholstered cockpit. > > Although the riser weighs but 10 oz., it is robust enough to withstand > the compression load generated by a 1500# tension load on the straps > measured at an angle of 90 degrees to the slope of the back of the > headrest; testing was done using a 20 ton hydraulic press. Assuming an > upper body wgt. of 100#, it would be good for 15 Gs. > > Comments appreciated! > > Fred > A194 > > PS: If anyone wants to duplicate this as a nice little winter project, > I could be persuaded to put together some kits of the hot-wired foam, > hinges, acft. plywood, and instructions...contact me off-list. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 30 - 6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 30 - 7 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 30 - 8 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 38 - 10 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:04 PM PST US From: "Laptop JR" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint Fred Your headrest looks fantastic! I think it is the best solution I have seen yet. Looking forward to seeing a lot more of it! JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint PP > Hi guys, > > Just wanted to share a solution to the issue of raising the shoulder > harness restraint sufficiently to minimize the potential for spinal > compression during a rapid deceleration event. > > This approach allows for one to sit upon the existing head rest while > entering and exiting the aircraft, does not encroach upon the access to > the baggage area, confines all forces to the CM rather than > transferring them to the fuselage shell, and can easily be added to a > completed and upholstered cockpit. > > Although the riser weighs but 10 oz., it is robust enough to withstand > the compression load generated by a 1500# tension load on the straps > measured at an angle of 90 degrees to the slope of the back of the > headrest; testing was done using a 20 ton hydraulic press. Assuming an > upper body wgt. of 100#, it would be good for 15 Gs. > > Comments appreciated! > > Fred > A194 > > PS: If anyone wants to duplicate this as a nice little winter project, > I could be persuaded to put together some kits of the hot-wired foam, > hinges, acft. plywood, and instructions...contact me off-list. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 30 - 6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 30 - 7 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 30 - 8 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Roll 38 - 10 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8:34 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:52 PM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912S rectifier regulator - spare parts shortage? Hi John Skydrive our UK Rotax Distributor sell a Keywest regulator, http://www.skydrive.co.uk/sd_sa_ie.asp These are made in the US so might be useful to you, You will have to check for there suitability, I have a Schicke GR6 and it seems to work well,I know of two other Europa's flying with them, Their Amp Meters are much more stable then they were with the Ducatti units, Not very scientific but a observation anyway, http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php A good article on the regulator, Regards Ivor -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John & Paddy Wigney Sent: 03 December 2007 20:38 Subject: Europa-List: 912S rectifier regulator - spare parts shortage? Dear Europaphiles, There has been quite a bit of discussion over the years regarding the standard rectifier regulator. My second unit failed recently and I am unhappy to find that Lockwood Aviation appears to be unable to get enough supplies from Rotax /Ducati. Details are :- * Dec 4th 2001. First flight * June 21st 2005 - 406 hours. Erratic charging, rectifier regulator replaced. * Oct.7th, 2007 - 561 hours. Generator warning red light - no charging. Diagnosed as rectifier regulator problem. * Oct 10th, 2007. Replacement ordered from Lockwood Aviation. * Nov 2nd, 2007. Lockwood advises that a limited shipment had been received from Rotax but other orders in front of mine had to be filled first. Not enough units to allow them to ship my order. No information on when my order will be shipped. I had previously checked other suppliers in North America and they also did not have the unit in stock. My question is - What experience has there been with the Schicke GR4 & GR6 generator regulator? ( http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dindex2.htm ) Can anyone advise the price on this ? I am aware that Schicke will not ship to the US. I will be fitting some dedicated cooling airflow if and when I receive my new regulator. Does anyone have any other ideas? Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:14 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint Hi! Fred Similar to my suggestion some time back about taking the harness over my head BMW head rests. If you have the original belts are they long enough or do you need longer ones? Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 03 December 2007 20:12 Subject: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint Hi guys, Just wanted to share a solution to the issue of raising the shoulder harness restraint sufficiently to minimize the potential for spinal compression during a rapid deceleration event. This approach allows for one to sit upon the existing head rest while entering and exiting the aircraft, does not encroach upon the access to the baggage area, confines all forces to the CM rather than transferring them to the fuselage shell, and can easily be added to a completed and upholstered cockpit. Although the riser weighs but 10 oz., it is robust enough to withstand the compression load generated by a 1500# tension load on the straps measured at an angle of 90 degrees to the slope of the back of the headrest; testing was done using a 20 ton hydraulic press. Assuming an upper body wgt. of 100#, it would be good for 15 Gs. Comments appreciated! Fred A194 PS: If anyone wants to duplicate this as a nice little winter project, I could be persuaded to put together some kits of the hot-wired foam, hinges, acft. plywood, and instructions...contact me off-list. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint From: Fred Klein > > > If you have the original belts are they long enough or do you need > longer ones? > > Regards > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Bob, The original belts are more than adequate for me (6'-1" and 195#). I'd wondered about that very thing but after trial fitting the side mounts for the seat belt, climbing aboard, buckling up, and making suitable airplane noises, everything was aok. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Shoulder harness restraint From: Fred Klein > Do you see a risk in the harnesses cutting into each side of your neck > when under significant tension, since the two harness parts are > restrained in the center just behind the neck? > Svein > LN-SKJ Svein, Not really...if you consider the rear attach point where the 2 shoulder straps begin and the points where they attach to the seat belt in front, you will trace straight lines which diverge from one's neck rather than "scissoring" it under tension. 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