---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/28/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls (Keith Hickling) 2. 02:28 AM - Re: Mod 73 (Michel AUVRAY) 3. 04:48 AM - Ireland trip 2008 (David Joyce) 4. 05:18 AM - Re: Mod 73 (rlborger) 5. 06:48 AM - Re: Mod 73 (Troy Maynor) 6. 08:18 AM - Re: Mod 73 (Brian Davies) 7. 08:32 AM - pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy (Kevin Klinefelter) 8. 09:02 AM - Re: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy (Ivor Phillips) 9. 09:06 AM - Re: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy (Ivor Phillips) 10. 09:13 AM - tech talk Dec 2007 (Jerry Rehn) 11. 09:35 AM - Re: tech talk Dec 2007 (Pete Lawless) 12. 10:09 AM - Re: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy (David DeFord) 13. 11:27 AM - Re: tech talk Dec 2007 (G-IANI) 14. 04:50 PM - Europaprecision (Fred Klein) 15. 09:01 PM - a little off topic (Paul Boulet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:04 AM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Bud and Richard and David, Many thanks for your responses. Unfortunately I don't have a Rotax agent nearby; I would have been very happy to have them fit the mount! Bud, the bent nozzles from the water pump housing seem to already have a bend of around 40 degrees, certainly not 80 degrees - 2 photos attached with the standard Europa XS exhaust system temporarily fitted. The hose from the lower nozzle is disconnected. The clearance between the end of the lower bent nozzle and top of the silencer is 15 mm - is that sufficient? To increase the clearance a bit it seems I would have to rotate the bent nozzle upwards a bit. I just wanted to clarify what you mean by an 80 degree bent nozzle - I presume you mean bent to nearly a right angle. If so, my engine doesn't have those. Maybe they have chenged them on recent engines? My engine serial no is 5647439. So I presume, if I have not misunderstood you, that I don't need to change the nozzle? Is that correct? Many thanks for your help - I really appreciate your response and advice. Kind regards, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN YERLY To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Kieth, Your fun has just begun. I have my Rotax dealer do my ring mounts, and it's worth it. When they make the mods, the warranty is not in question. However, if you want to do it yourself. Remove the water pump cover and the lower pilot side hoses. You've done the hard part of moving the ignition harness. The starter can stay on, but access is better with it off. The carbs don't have to be taken off, but it can help. At this point getting the ring mount on is easy. Next you may find that the ring mount doesn't fit snugly. Rotax sells a shim kit for the mount which allows a proper fit. See their parts list. Torque as indicated in the maintenance manual. The ring mount should not be flexed to install. Unless you are changing the exhaust system from the stock Europa, you must replace the water pump housing lower left (looking forward) bent nozzle from a 80 degree to a 45 degree. This will allow sufficient clearance to position the muffler as the Fire Wall Forward (Euroopa XS) instructions direct. To remove the 80 degree nozzle, heat the housing carefully and rotate off the nozzle. I use a propane torch, and heat the housing uniformly (about 400 degrees F) until the nozzle just starts to move easily and maintain constant temp after the nozzle starts to rotate and continue the uniform heat until off. A nice piece of 1/2 inch stock stuck in the hole works well. Do not cock the nozzle or you will destroy the threads. If you have to, use a small pipe wrench. It is best to remove both the nozzles on that side for ease of installation and removal. You have to rotate the upper nozzle to turn the lower. (It's never easy!) You might as well take off the one you loosened to ensure a good seal. That's your choice. Clean the threads and reinstall with loctite 243 in the orientation which will allow the two lower pilot side hoses to fit through the V in the ring mount support. When you reinstall the water pump housing, replace your gasket and if necessary the compression washers. Please note the stainless bolt goes at the 6 o'clock position and make sure you have a good seal with a new or cleaned up compression washer. That bolt has coolant running around it and it will leak if not done correctly. Torque as indicated. Do not over torque. Again, consult with the Rotax parts list for the 45 degree part number. Reinstall the coolant lines and protect your hoses with a heat shield. For better service, go to a racing catalogue and order aluminum heat sleeve to finish off the installation. Get enough heat sleeve to do the oil lines also. Once the engine is modified as indicated above, the FWF assembly is straight forward. Some have left the coolant lines below the ring mount when using the older rounder style muffler, but even then, the muffler's heat destroys the lower hose. One guy rotated the 80 degree nozzle aft, and put a very long hose on the nozzle to clear the muffler. Not very neat, and made mounting the engine more of a pain. It takes a long day to do it the first time. Go slow and take your time, don't force anything and enjoy yourself. It took longer to do this email than modify the pump housing. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hickling To: Eurpoa List Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:09 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Merry Christmas everyone. Can someone please tell me how to fit the ringmount for the 912 uls? So far I've disconnected the rear mount of the ignition modules so the mount can slide under that, and the bottom 2 coolant hoses, but I still can't get the mount past the starter motor. Or, if I lift it over the starter motor first then it won't get past the alternator. Is it necessary to remove the starter motor, or can the ringmount somehow be manipulated past it? It's a bit like those Chinese puzzles designed to drive you mad! Many thanks, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:46 AM PST US From: "Michel AUVRAY" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 hi all, There is a best alternative of reamer solution: Dremel cylinder abrasive dia.15.5mm. Used gently into the tube, it is perfect and not agressive as like reamer. Michel Auvray Builder 145 -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]De la part de Craig Ellison Envoy : vendredi 28 dcembre 2007 07:36 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 Hi Ken,Jeff, and Fred, Looks like Tom could use the reamer first so I'll send it along to him. When he's finished with it he can pass it on to Ken,Jeff and Fred. Looks like Kevin has one also so you might not need mine. Good luck gentlemen, craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 > > Tom, > > Please let me know when you are finished w/ Craig's 16.5 mm reamer; I'd > love to use it when it's available. I don't have the Mod 73 parts at this > time, but will order them tomorrow. > > My address is: Fred Klein, POB 1089, Eastsound, WA 98245 > > Thanks, > > Fred > > On Thursday, Dec 27, 2007, at 19:45 US/Pacific, Tom Friedland wrote: > >> Hi Craig >> >> As you know I am not yet flying and I have been awaiting a reamer... > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:21 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Ireland trip 2008 Anyone whose seasonal intake has not been too excessive may have noticed that the 2008 Ireland trip that Peter Kember will lead, has been erroneously advertised in the Europa Flyer as taking place from 24/5/08 to 3/5/08! It should have read 24/5/08 to 1/6/08, although as with the other trips precise dates may be modified when final plans are made. Contact details for those interested are correct in the Flyer. Happy New Year, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:35 AM PST US From: rlborger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 Gents, My reamer is on its way to Rich Schultz, The Woodlands, TX. You can post a note to him and have him send it on to any of you next. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Mod 72 complete. Instrument panel complete, except for testing. Rotax 914 installed (for the 3rd time). Airmaster Prop installed. Electrical complete, except for testing. Fuel system complete except for testing. Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Interior & Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:26 AM, Craig Ellison wrote: > Hi Ken,Tom,Jeff and Fred, > > By the sound of things Tom might be needing it first then Ken ,Jeff > and Fred. Your all welcome. I'll plan on sending it to to Tom > first and if you could send it on to the next. I also have the ACF > 50 your welcome to have but I don't know if I can send by post. > Let me know if you could use it. > > craig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Friedland > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 > > Hi Craig > > As you know I am not yet flying and I have been awaiting a > reamer... I am sad that you have the bird for sale but since you > did the mod maybe you have changed your mind? I am thinking of a > flight in the Spring because we now have a foot or more of snow and > it is supposed to snow for the next 24 hours... (I still believe > in global warming.) The snow gives me a little more reason for > procrastination... > > Off topic. Our local EAA group is building a Breezy in my shop. > It is going to be fun. > > I have been wondering if you would be interested in making a first > flight in my bird as I am pretty rusty and evidently you have a > grass strip that sounds like it would be better for me. No big > deal to trailer it down there. > > I will gladly pay for shipping and will send it on after. > > If no one else claims it. > > I am in deep snow at: > > Tom Friedland, 70 Majestic Heights Dr. Ellensburg, WA 98926 509 480 > 0267 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:05 AM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 Hi All, I too will need the reamer when it is available. No rush. Don't need the ACF50 necessarily. I assume regular mill cutting oil will suffice. Let me know of the cost involved and where to send it. My mailing address is: Troy Maynor PO Box 1802 Weaverville, NC 28787 Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:43 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 Hi Troy, The ACF50 is for anti corrosion, not for the reamimg. Regards Brian Davies > _____________________________________________ > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [HYPERLINK > mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor > Sent: 28 December 2007 14:38 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 > > Hi All, > I too will need the reamer when it is available. No rush. Don't need the > ACF50 necessarily. I assume regular mill cutting oil will suffice. > Let me know of the cost involved and where to send it. My mailing address > is: > Troy Maynor > PO Box 1802 > Weaverville, NC 28787 > > Troy Maynor > N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic > Left to finish: > Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. > Weaverville, NC USA > > > 27/12/2007 13:34 > > 13:34 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:40 AM PST US From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy Hi All, I need a couple more of those nifty quick connects for pitot and static tubes. Anybody know where I can get some? Troy, I'll send you the Reamer that Ralph Hallett was kind enough to send to me. Kevin ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:03 AM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy Hi Kevin If you are in the UK They are available from http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?Nr=avl%3auk&N=42 94952692&in_dim_search=1&name=SiteStandard&forwardingPage=line&R=0138262 &callingPage=/jsp/search/search.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0444845083.11988607 81@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccchaddmlflkikdcefeceeldgkidhgf.0&cacheID=ukie regards Ivor -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Klinefelter Sent: 28 December 2007 16:27 Subject: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy Hi All, I need a couple more of those nifty quick connects for pitot and static tubes. Anybody know where I can get some? Troy, I'll send you the Reamer that Ralph Hallett was kind enough to send to me. Kevin ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:10 AM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy Hi Kevin I believe I have given you the wrong link, Try http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?Nr=avl%3auk&N=42 94952692&in_dim_search=1&name=SiteStandard&forwardingPage=line&R=3872634 &callingPage=/jsp/search/search.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0444845083.11988607 81@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccchaddmlflkikdcefeceeldgkidhgf.0&cacheID=ukie Should be the correct size Regards Ivor -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Klinefelter Sent: 28 December 2007 16:27 Subject: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy Hi All, I need a couple more of those nifty quick connects for pitot and static tubes. Anybody know where I can get some? Troy, I'll send you the Reamer that Ralph Hallett was kind enough to send to me. Kevin ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:48 AM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Europa-List: tech talk Dec 2007 Anyone else having problems with getting Tech talk Dec 2007 to come up on the Europa (2004) site? Jerry ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:12 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: tech talk Dec 2007 Hi Jerry I can't get it either looks like a bad link on the Europa site. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: 28 December 2007 17:12 Subject: Europa-List: tech talk Dec 2007 Anyone else having problems with getting Tech talk Dec 2007 to come up on the Europa (2004) site? Jerry -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:26 AM PST US From: "David DeFord" Subject: RE: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy > > > Hi All, > > I need a couple more of those nifty quick connects for pitot > and static > tubes. Anybody know where I can get some? > Hi Kevin, My first stop for stuff I can't get locally or at Aircraft Spruce is McMaster-Carr (www.mcmaster.com). Check out their Quick-Disconnect Tube Couplings. The acetal (Delrin) parts on page 175 look good to me. Dave DeFord N135TD ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:11 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: tech talk Dec 2007 Simple answer is yes the link does not work. There was no Tech Talk in the December 2007 issue of The Europa Flyer. Europa must have put up the link in anticipation that there would be one. Mike Gregory and I did visit the factory and that was what was covered rather than a Tech Talk. In due course the copy of the magazine will be on the Club web site. Specifically if anyone wants to know what items the Club has for sale e-mail me direct. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:04 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europaprecision From: Fred Klein Hi Guys...and Happy New Year! From time to time in the course of building I am struck by the high degree of precision built into our kits. While I salute the company for its high quality precision parts, I'm finding that occasionally I haven't done my part (at least the first time around) in ensuring that the end result measures up to the standard required for the eventual hours of trouble-free flying which so many of you (sigh) are already enjoying. For those of you who are still a'buildin' the monowheel and have yet to assemble the main landing gear, here's a pitfall I stepped into which is easily avoided...with just a tad of forethought: When installing the bushes in the shock absorber bottom plate (now that's a bit of heavy iron!) LG07, do NOT loctite them in until AFTER you have ensured that you have smooth rotation on the pin LG04. I failed to do this and found that my bushes were mis-aligned just enough to cause the pin to bind...if left in this way, there's no doubt in my mind that the bushes wouldn't be able to do their job and the result would be wear in the holes for the pin in the swing arm LG02 and LG02A which I fear would shortly introduce all kinds of slop. As a consequence of my mistake, I have attempted to use heat to loosen the loctite bond to no avail...even w/ a propane torch (while taking care to not mar my nicely powdercoated LG07). Attempts to remove the bushes are complicated by the soft nature of the bearings. Sooooo....I've just received 2 new bushings from mcmaster-carr (P/N 6391K178) and my plan is to drill out the offending bushes and 'ave another go. This time I'll do a trial assembly of all the parts which the pin LG04 passes through before indulging w/ the loctite. Old Pennsylvania Dutch saying: Why do I get so late smarter? Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:32 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Europa-List: a little off topic Hi All; This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight. The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors. I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out.... Absolutely fantastic...... Subject: B-29 and B-1 Rocket http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale Malibu, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.