---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/29/07: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Re: tech talk Dec 2007tech talk Dec 2007 (Richard Lamprey) 2. 02:22 AM - Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please (craig bastin) 3. 05:12 AM - New Year's DOTH (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 4. 05:43 AM - Re: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls (ALAN YERLY) 5. 05:58 AM - Re: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy (ALAN YERLY) 6. 06:34 AM - Re: New Year's DOTH (Paddy Clarke) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: a little off topic (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 8. 08:05 AM - Re: Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please (Paul McAllister) 9. 08:53 AM - Re: Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please (Rick Stockton) 10. 09:05 AM - aileron trim (Kevin Klinefelter) 11. 09:08 AM - Re: a little off topic (Robert C Harrison) 12. 09:13 AM - Re: New Year's DOTH (Robert C Harrison) 13. 09:50 AM - Re: a little off topic (Pete Lawless) 14. 10:32 AM - Re: New Year's DOTH (bryan allsop) 15. 10:40 AM - Re: a little off topic (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 16. 10:43 AM - Re: a little off topic (Paul Boulet) 17. 11:03 AM - 914 fuel pumps series (Jerry Rehn) 18. 12:06 PM - Re: Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please (raggi6771) 19. 12:08 PM - Re: Mod 73 (William Daniell) 20. 12:35 PM - Re: New Year's DOTH (rick) 21. 12:49 PM - Bleeding Jamar finger brakes (DR TERRY DAWSON.) 22. 02:28 PM - Re: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes (craig bastin) 23. 03:40 PM - Re: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls (Keith Hickling) 24. 04:54 PM - Bleeding Jamar finger brakes (rob@Neils.US) 25. 08:32 PM - Mod 72 reamer (David DeFord) 26. 08:52 PM - Re: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes (JEFF ROBERTS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:24 AM PST US From: "Richard Lamprey" Subject: Re: Europa-List: tech talk Dec 2007tech talk Dec 2007 >From clicking around on the site, I understand that December 2007 Tech Talk refers to the move of Europa to a new factory location around the corner, phone numbers are the same but fax is different. Happy New Year to all! Richard, Kenya ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:21 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please This is a knock off of the COZY canard trim, modified to suit. It attaches to the push rod arm on the existing bolts so no mods or extra hardware are needed, other than the hole for the bell crank bolt in the seat back and the four holes to mount the servo. Complete assembly weighs in at 330grams. Horse shoe spring is 6 layers of 27000 psi UNI kevlar. 5 inches in diameter (a CD is a good template) with a 30mm tail to allow for mounting Arm mounting bracket is 3mm x 20mm alloy angle, with another 3mm x 40mm plate alloy 100mm long with a 20 degree bend towards the floor of the aircraft. six rivets and 420 hold the two together. the other end of the spring is also 3mm x 20mm angle. Spring is clamped in at both ends and 420'ed in place. Bell crank is supported by 3 bearings, and has 3 positions for spring mount point to allow for 1:1, 1.5:1 and 2:1 gearing of the servo. Alloy for bell crank is 11mm cold rolled solid billet, which was milled to size, (hand cutting was just tooo hard) angle of crank is 25 degrees, but i think about 20 would be better. Mount hole is 45mm above the small step under the seat for the rudder cables servo is ray allen with 1 inch travel. attachment from spring to crank is 3/16 rod with nylock nuts. servo to crank is with the supplied threaded rod and ends Spring can support weight of controls with cockpit module on its side. If control weight is "dropped" onto spring at neutral position controls rebound to "center" position. The spring and crank can be inserted through the port side spar hole. Servo and crank adjustment can be done through fuel tank access ports. Any comments, thoughts, other issues I am not aware of. regards craig 11:51 AM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:53 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH Given the poor UK Wx forecast for New Year's day, anyone got any thoughts or ideas for a Sunday 'DOTH' in lieu? Duncan McF. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Ireland trip 2008 > > > Anyone whose seasonal intake has not been too excessive may have noticed > that the 2008 Ireland trip that Peter Kember will lead, has been > erroneously > advertised in the Europa Flyer as taking place from 24/5/08 to 3/5/08! It > should have read 24/5/08 to 1/6/08, although as with the other trips > precise dates may be modified when final plans are made. Contact details > for > those interested are correct in the Flyer. Happy New Year, David Joyce, > G-XSDJ > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:25 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Sorry for the delay as my computer is acting up at the shop. I see you have the 45 degree nozzle on the lower left exit from the pump. You're correct to presume that the nozzle need not be changed out. If you can bend the lower nozzle upward so that both cooling tubes go through the V in the ring mount that will give you about another 15 mm clearance. At about 30 mm, with heat shielding, you will be able to get a long service life out of your lower hose. Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hickling To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Bud and Richard and David, Many thanks for your responses. Unfortunately I don't have a Rotax agent nearby; I would have been very happy to have them fit the mount! Bud, the bent nozzles from the water pump housing seem to already have a bend of around 40 degrees, certainly not 80 degrees - 2 photos attached with the standard Europa XS exhaust system temporarily fitted. The hose from the lower nozzle is disconnected. The clearance between the end of the lower bent nozzle and top of the silencer is 15 mm - is that sufficient? To increase the clearance a bit it seems I would have to rotate the bent nozzle upwards a bit. I just wanted to clarify what you mean by an 80 degree bent nozzle - I presume you mean bent to nearly a right angle. If so, my engine doesn't have those. Maybe they have chenged them on recent engines? My engine serial no is 5647439. So I presume, if I have not misunderstood you, that I don't need to change the nozzle? Is that correct? Many thanks for your help - I really appreciate your response and advice. Kind regards, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN YERLY To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Kieth, Your fun has just begun. I have my Rotax dealer do my ring mounts, and it's worth it. When they make the mods, the warranty is not in question. However, if you want to do it yourself. Remove the water pump cover and the lower pilot side hoses. You've done the hard part of moving the ignition harness. The starter can stay on, but access is better with it off. The carbs don't have to be taken off, but it can help. At this point getting the ring mount on is easy. Next you may find that the ring mount doesn't fit snugly. Rotax sells a shim kit for the mount which allows a proper fit. See their parts list. Torque as indicated in the maintenance manual. The ring mount should not be flexed to install. Unless you are changing the exhaust system from the stock Europa, you must replace the water pump housing lower left (looking forward) bent nozzle from a 80 degree to a 45 degree. This will allow sufficient clearance to position the muffler as the Fire Wall Forward (Euroopa XS) instructions direct. To remove the 80 degree nozzle, heat the housing carefully and rotate off the nozzle. I use a propane torch, and heat the housing uniformly (about 400 degrees F) until the nozzle just starts to move easily and maintain constant temp after the nozzle starts to rotate and continue the uniform heat until off. A nice piece of 1/2 inch stock stuck in the hole works well. Do not cock the nozzle or you will destroy the threads. If you have to, use a small pipe wrench. It is best to remove both the nozzles on that side for ease of installation and removal. You have to rotate the upper nozzle to turn the lower. (It's never easy!) You might as well take off the one you loosened to ensure a good seal. That's your choice. Clean the threads and reinstall with loctite 243 in the orientation which will allow the two lower pilot side hoses to fit through the V in the ring mount support. When you reinstall the water pump housing, replace your gasket and if necessary the compression washers. Please note the stainless bolt goes at the 6 o'clock position and make sure you have a good seal with a new or cleaned up compression washer. That bolt has coolant running around it and it will leak if not done correctly. Torque as indicated. Do not over torque. Again, consult with the Rotax parts list for the 45 degree part number. Reinstall the coolant lines and protect your hoses with a heat shield. For better service, go to a racing catalogue and order aluminum heat sleeve to finish off the installation. Get enough heat sleeve to do the oil lines also. Once the engine is modified as indicated above, the FWF assembly is straight forward. Some have left the coolant lines below the ring mount when using the older rounder style muffler, but even then, the muffler's heat destroys the lower hose. One guy rotated the 80 degree nozzle aft, and put a very long hose on the nozzle to clear the muffler. Not very neat, and made mounting the engine more of a pain. It takes a long day to do it the first time. Go slow and take your time, don't force anything and enjoy yourself. It took longer to do this email than modify the pump housing. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hickling To: Eurpoa List Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:09 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Merry Christmas everyone. Can someone please tell me how to fit the ringmount for the 912 uls? So far I've disconnected the rear mount of the ignition modules so the mount can slide under that, and the bottom 2 coolant hoses, but I still can't get the mount past the starter motor. Or, if I lift it over the starter motor first then it won't get past the alternator. Is it necessary to remove the starter motor, or can the ringmount somehow be manipulated past it? It's a bit like those Chinese puzzles designed to drive you mad! Many thanks, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:22 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy You can order them through me or Europa. I think I have about 4 left and if memory serves they are about $5 each. Or go to the Cohler Products Company website and see all the nifty QDs available. I use both their brass and plastic QDs and they are very good. They even have multiple hookups. I have had a leak, in one for fuel and one of the small ones for static so do check them. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Klinefelter To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Europa-List: pitot/static connectors reamer to Troy > Hi All, I need a couple more of those nifty quick connects for pitot and static tubes. Anybody know where I can get some? Troy, I'll send you the Reamer that Ralph Hallett was kind enough to send to me. Kevin http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:31 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH Hi Duncan, I've been thinking along the same lines - however I can't find anywhere central, with hard runways and a good restaurant, offering free landings. How about going mad and paying for Leicester? Always a good social spot. I suggest 1200hrs as usual, Cheers, Paddy On 29 Dec 2007, at 13:11, Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote: > > > Given the poor UK Wx forecast for New Year's day, anyone got any > thoughts or ideas for a Sunday 'DOTH' in lieu? > > Duncan McF. > >> > > Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:10 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: a little off topic Paul- Can you check the link. It does not appear to be correct. Thanks -- Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Paul Boulet Hi All; This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight. The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors. I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out.... Absolutely fantastic...... Subject: B-29 and B-1 Rocket http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale Malibu, CA
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Can you check the link.  It does not appear to be correct.
 
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Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda, FL
 
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Hi All;
This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight.  The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors.  I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out....

Absolutely fantastic......

 
Subject: B-29 and B-1 Rocket

 

 
http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv
Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale
Malibu, CA
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:01 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please Hi Craig, The only thing that occurs to me is that sometimes after a few years the tank bulges and you have to move the aileron push rod to the other side of the crank so the push rods will clear the bulging tank. If you ever have to do this then I suspect that will interfere with where you have mounted your trim servo.... perhaps not, and if you tank never bulges then it won't be an issue. Cheers, Paul (The misplaced Aussie) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:29 AM PST US From: Rick Stockton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please Nice job Craig. It to cold here in California to do any lay-ups so I am building POPS' KNOCKDOWN FUSELAGE CRADLE http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cpops/cradle.htm The only problem is he didn't publish any measurements other than the lenght of the 2x4's. I built it yesterday, but it was not right. So last night I took a piece of paper and figured out the measurements. I figured out that the base needs to be 18 inches and that the side 2x4 needs to be at 18 inches also. That will give me the right angle. So I can move the canoe to any position I need during the build. Flat, 45 degrees or 90 degrees. I'll look into doing the fuel tank spacer today or tomorrow. Then the servo. I need to figure out where I put it. I took it out of the aileron and put it back it it's box, but where I put the box is the question. I like your arrangement, but I still think that attaching it to the push-pull rod might work. I'll try it and see. I'll use regular UNI and do a ten ply layup. I'll us a four inch circle. I foud on ole Planters can that I'll tape up with duck tape and wax it then do the layup on it. I'll cut a hole in a board so the can is flat. I'll let you know my outcome. where is OZ are you? About ten years ago I picked up a tuna boat north of Auckland. I had fifteen days there. I traveled all over the north island. I had a great time. I joined the flying club and flew from the ninety mile beach to the south shore. I tried to fly over the channel but the government would not allow me to go because of the single engine and WX. When I win the Lotto I'll come back. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:02 AM PST US From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Europa-List: aileron trim Craig, does the flap push rod fit? Kevin ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:11 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: a little off topic Hi! Jim It worked OK for me c/w B29 inverted fly by...retractable gear...and a phenomenal pay load!.... I almost said "who needs a PPL" but I'd better not tempt providence. I'm looking out for a much better 2008 anyway ! Happy New Year to all. (BTW Make sure your connection is HTML configured.) Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: 29 December 2007 15:52 Subject: Re: Europa-List: a little off topic Paul- Can you check the link. It does not appear to be correct. Thanks -- Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Paul Boulet Hi All; This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight. The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors. I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out.... Absolutely fantastic...... Subject: B-29 and B-1 Rocket http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale Malibu, CA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:00 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH Hi! Duncan I intend flying tomorrow but have a few "observer" flights to make so don't wish to go too far , I will be at Wickenby (where there's improved facilities ) or I could include Sandtoft for a drop in around noon with excellent "trough" facilities especially on a Sunday Lunch basis! Regards And Happy New Year to one and ALL. Bob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 29 December 2007 13:11 Subject: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH Given the poor UK Wx forecast for New Year's day, anyone got any thoughts or ideas for a Sunday 'DOTH' in lieu? Duncan McF. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Ireland trip 2008 > > > Anyone whose seasonal intake has not been too excessive may have noticed > that the 2008 Ireland trip that Peter Kember will lead, has been > erroneously > advertised in the Europa Flyer as taking place from 24/5/08 to 3/5/08! It > should have read 24/5/08 to 1/6/08, although as with the other trips > precise dates may be modified when final plans are made. Contact details > for > those interested are correct in the Flyer. Happy New Year, David Joyce, > G-XSDJ > > > -- 28/12/2007 11:51 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:50 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: a little off topic It worked for me Jim Pete Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: 29 December 2007 15:52 Subject: Re: Europa-List: a little off topic Paul- Can you check the link. It does not appear to be correct. Thanks -- Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Paul Boulet Hi All; This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight. The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors. I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out.... Absolutely fantastic...... Subject: B-29 and B-1 Rocket http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale Malibu, CA -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:06 AM PST US From: bryan allsop Subject: RE: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH Oh dear! I have just arranged to fly down to Elstree to visit my son and family on S unday. It would have been my last chance for a Doth now till mid April. Hav e a nice one. We will do the special "William" Doth in the Spring. Happy New Year. Bryan> From: paddyclarke@lineone.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:45 +0000> To: europa-list@matronics.com> >> > Hi Duncan,> I've been thinking along the same lines - however I can't find > anywhere central, with hard runways and a good restaurant, offering > free landings.> How about going mad and paying for Leicester? Always a go od social spot.> I suggest 1200hrs as usual,> Cheers, Paddy> On 29 Dec 2007 , at 13:11, Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote:> > > --> Europa-List message post ed by: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" > > > >> > G iven the poor UK Wx forecast for New Year's day, anyone got any > > thought s or ideas for a Sunday 'DOTH' in lieu?> >> > Duncan McF.> >> >>> >> >> >> ====================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_1220 07 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:26 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: RE: Europa-List: a little off topic Sorry, when I pasted the URL into my browser, it worked fine. Very impressive!!! Jim -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Robert C Harrison" Hi! Jim It worked OK for me c/w B29 inverted fly by.retractable gear..and a phenomenal pay load!.... I almost said who needs a PPL but Id better not tempt providence. Im looking out for a much better 2008 anyway ! Happy New Year to all. (BTW Make sure your connection is HTML configured.) Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: 29 December 2007 15:52 Subject: Re: Europa-List: a little off topic Paul- Can you check the link. It does not appear to be correct. Thanks -- Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Paul Boulet Hi All; This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight. The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors. I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out.... Absolutely fantastic...... Subject: B-29 and B-1 Rocket http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale Malibu, CA -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on the Contribution link below to find out more about this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! List Contribution Web Site: --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The Europa-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com
Sorry, when I pasted the URL into my browser, it worked fine.  Very impressive!!!
 
Jim
 
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Hi! Jim

It worked OK for me c/w B29 inverted fly by.retractable gear..and a phenomenal pay load!....

I almost said who needs a PPL but Id better not tempt providence. Im looking out for a much better 2008 anyway !

Happy New Year to all.                                                    (BTW Make sure your connection is HTML configured.)

 

Bob Harrison G-PTAG

 

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Can you check the link.  It does not appear to be correct.

 

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From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>

Hi All;

This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight.  The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors.  I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out....


Absolutely fantastic......

 

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Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale

Malibu, CA

 
 
 
 
 
      
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:34 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: a little off topic The link worked for me when I clicked on it thru your return msg Paul ----- Original Message ---- From: "jimpuglise@comcast.net" Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:51:38 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: a little off topic Paul- Can you check the link. It does not appear to be correct. Thanks -- Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Paul Boulet Hi All; This is a really neat video recreation of Chuck Yeager's historic flight. The B-29 is powered by four chainsaw motors. I don't know what the little red plane is powered with but whatever it is, it can move on out.... Absolutely fantastic...... Subject: B-29 and B-1 Rocket http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale Malibu, CA ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:34 AM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Europa-List: 914 fuel pumps series One of my winter projects is to re plumb the pumps to the new recommended series. What kind of check valves are people using, where do you get them? Seems like a tangle of hoses to get the job done. Anyone have a neat package to accomplish this that they want to share? Jerry ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim System for Ailerons, Comments please From: "raggi6771" Paul, I take it you are looking at the mount point for the spring, and not the servo, when you mention moving the push rods to the other side of the arm. I don't think this will be a problem, as the stiff nuts are acting as spacers now, to move the whole mount forward 5mm or so. So if the rods are switched to the other side then they would become the spacers i guess, so not much would change. Someone asked off topic, what about the push rod for the flaps. I take it this is on the older mono's without the electric flap drive. Given its only the threaded rod that crosses the tunnel, if the flap rods movement is largely linear, then i am sure one of you smart guys with the monos could work out the servo reposition. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:59 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 Can anyone tell what etching primer is and what it does please Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:17 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 Hi Troy, The ACF50 is for anti corrosion, not for the reamimg. Regards Brian Davies _____________________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [HYPERLINK mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com"mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor Sent: 28 December 2007 14:38 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 Hi All, I too will need the reamer when it is available. No rush. Don't need the ACF50 necessarily. I assume regular mill cutting oil will suffice. Let me know of the cost involved and where to send it. My mailing address is: Troy Maynor PO Box 1802 Weaverville, NC 28787 Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA 27/12/2007 13:34 27/12/2007 13:34 "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Europa-List 17:26 17:26 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:09 PM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH Hi Paddy, Duncan et al. Ray and I will be at Leicester just after 12 tomorrow. See you then. Rick G-RIKS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Clarke Sent: 29 December 2007 14:32 Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Year's DOTH --> Hi Duncan, I've been thinking along the same lines - however I can't find anywhere central, with hard runways and a good restaurant, offering free landings. How about going mad and paying for Leicester? Always a good social spot. I suggest 1200hrs as usual, Cheers, Paddy On 29 Dec 2007, at 13:11, Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote: > > > Given the poor UK Wx forecast for New Year's day, anyone got any > thoughts or ideas for a Sunday 'DOTH' in lieu? > > Duncan McF. > >> > > Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM 11:51 11:51 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:01 PM PST US From: "DR TERRY DAWSON." Subject: Europa-List: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes Im having a devil of a time with my Jamar finger brakes in my tri-gear motorglider. I can only bleed the brakes when the master cylinders are oriented vertically with the back of the Jamar master cylinders higher than the front. As soon as I mount the brakes horizontally, they no longer bleed after one effective stroke the lever no longer pumps brake fluid. Heres some data which may help you help me get this problem solved: Im using DOT 5 brake fluid. I mount a reservoir filled with brake fluid about 9 inches above the master cylinders. The Jamar squirts fluid from both sides when the levers are pulled back while he Jamar master cylinders are horizontal on my bench and when mounted horizontally in the plane. When the Jamar is mounted in the plane and the brake lines are disconnected from the ends of the master cylinders then the cylinders squirt brake fluid when the levers are pulled back. However as soon as I connect the brake lines from the cylinders to the brakes, the brakes dont work. (This makes me suspect the problem is in the brake lines probably air bubbles.) When one side is working and the other side isnt, if I disconnect the brake lines and switch the line which isnt working to the side which does work, then that the side which didn't work now does and the other doesn't. (I therefore again suspect the problem is in the line rather than in the Jama but I could very well be wrong.) I bleed the brakes in two different ways. The first way I connect a clear tube filled with brake fluid with no bubbles to the brake nipple. I open the nipple and, using about 20# of air pressure, blow brake fluid up the brake line to the Jamar. I have loosened the brake line connection at the master cylinder and watch the brake fluid leak out. At first I get bubbles, then, when only brake fluid is leaking, I tighten the connection at the master cylinder and close the nipple. The Jamar system then works. The brake lever is not at all spongy. However, over a long period of time with many applications of the brakes, the lever must be pulled further and further back and the brakes get spongy, needing bleeding. The second way I bleed the brakes is by pulling back on the brake lever while both connections (the brake line to the master and the brake line to the brakes) are tight. When pressure builds on the lever, I loosen the nipple and brake fluid gushes out the nipple into the clear tube Ive connected to the nipple. I then close the nipple and release the lever which returns to its forward position on its own. I can see brake fluid leaving the nipple on the first stroke and I can see the fluid level in reservoir go down.. However, on the second pump theres no pressure against the movement of the lever, no brake fluid leaving the nipple and no descent of the fluid level in the reservoir. This is when the Jamar is horizontal. However, when I have the Jamar master cylinders vertical the brakes bleed well using this technique. (I really don't understand this at all but I guess that air in the master cylinder is pumped out the "top" end of the cylinder and therefore the brakes work.) When both sides are working and mounted in the fuselage horizontally, I try the bleed the brakes. I pull back on the lever the first time while the nipple is open and I see fluid leave the nipple and the fluid level in the reservoir drop. On the second pump the lever has little resistance, no fluid comes out of the nipple and the fluid level in the reservoir doesnt drop. Why is it that I can successfully bleed the Jamar only when its aligned vertically? Id like to be able to bleed the brakes without having to orient them vertically or having to disconnect the brake line from the master cylinder and blow fluid up from the nipple, letting the master cylinder to brake line connection leak. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:39 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes the only way i have ever bled brakes is by pumping up and holding pressure, and then releasing the pressure at the brake piston bleed point. Generally this requires two people, as the pedal/lever should be allowed to follow the pressure and sink right out to full travel, but NOT allowed to return until the bleed point at the brake is locked up tight again. this is normally done as many times as needed to ensure all air is purged from the line. Its not a bad idea to switch brake fluid to one of a different colour if you can get it part way through, that way you know you have pushed out the entire contents of the line and master cylinder when you see the colour change. Some master cylinders will self bleed to a small degree, which i bet is what you are seeing when you stand yours on its end. Unless you have a small leak somewhere, possibly on the seals in the master cylinder itself, once the lines are free of air, you shouldnt have any further problems. You also mentioned the remote reservoir, If that is tightly sealed then once you suck a vaccum in it with the first bleed, then the system could find a weak point and suck air around a seal or fitting. You may laugh at this, but remember, a hydraulic brake system can have several hundred PSI of pressure in it or more, so you could potentially be creating a few hundred psi of suction. This would account for the level not dropping after the first bleed. good luck craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DR TERRY DAWSON. Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2007 6:48 AM Subject: Europa-List: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes Im having a devil of a time with my Jamar finger brakes in my tri-gear motorglider. I can only bleed the brakes when the master cylinders are oriented vertically with the back of the Jamar master cylinders higher than the front. As soon as I mount the brakes horizontally, they no longer bleed after one effective stroke the lever no longer pumps brake fluid. Heres some data which may help you help me get this problem solved: Im using DOT 5 brake fluid. I mount a reservoir filled with brake fluid about 9 inches above the master cylinders. The Jamar squirts fluid from both sides when the levers are pulled back while he Jamar master cylinders are horizontal on my bench and when mounted horizontally in the plane. When the Jamar is mounted in the plane and the brake lines are disconnected from the ends of the master cylinders then the cylinders squirt brake fluid when the levers are pulled back. However as soon as I connect the brake lines from the cylinders to the brakes, the brakes dont work. (This makes me suspect the problem is in the brake lines probably air bubbles.) When one side is working and the other side isnt, if I disconnect the brake lines and switch the line which isnt working to the side which does work, then that the side which didn't work now does and the other doesn't. (I therefore again suspect the problem is in the line rather than in the Jama but I could very well be wrong.) I bleed the brakes in two different ways. The first way I connect a clear tube filled with brake fluid with no bubbles to the brake nipple. I open the nipple and, using about 20# of air pressure, blow brake fluid up the brake line to the Jamar. I have loosened the brake line connection at the master cylinder and watch the brake fluid leak out. At first I get bubbles, then, when only brake fluid is leaking, I tighten the connection at the master cylinder and close the nipple. The Jamar system then works. The brake lever is not at all spongy. However, over a long period of time with many applications of the brakes, the lever must be pulled further and further back and the brakes get spongy, needing bleeding. The second way I bleed the brakes is by pulling back on the brake lever while both connections (the brake line to the master and the brake line to the brakes) are tight. When pressure builds on the lever, I loosen the nipple and brake fluid gushes out the nipple into the clear tube Ive connected to the nipple. I then close the nipple and release the lever which returns to its forward position on its own. I can see brake fluid leaving the nipple on the first stroke and I can see the fluid level in reservoir go down.. However, on the second pump theres no pressure against the movement of the lever, no brake fluid leaving the nipple and no descent of the fluid level in the reservoir. This is when the Jamar is horizontal. However, when I have the Jamar master cylinders vertical the brakes bleed well using this technique. (I really don't understand this at all but I guess that air in the master cylinder is pumped out the "top" end of the cylinder and therefore the brakes work.) When both sides are working and mounted in the fuselage horizontally, I try the bleed the brakes. I pull back on the lever the first time while the nipple is open and I see fluid leave the nipple and the fluid level in the reservoir drop. On the second pump the lever has little resistance, no fluid comes out of the nipple and the fluid level in the reservoir doesnt drop. Why is it that I can successfully bleed the Jamar only when its aligned vertically? Id like to be able to bleed the brakes without having to orient them vertically or having to disconnect the brake line from the master cylinder and blow fluid up from the nipple, letting the master cylinder to brake line connection leak. 11:51 AM 11:51 AM ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:16 PM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Bud, Excellent, many thanks for your input. Much appreciated. Happy New Year to all. Regards, Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN YERLY To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:40 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Sorry for the delay as my computer is acting up at the shop. I see you have the 45 degree nozzle on the lower left exit from the pump. You're correct to presume that the nozzle need not be changed out. If you can bend the lower nozzle upward so that both cooling tubes go through the V in the ring mount that will give you about another 15 mm clearance. At about 30 mm, with heat shielding, you will be able to get a long service life out of your lower hose. Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hickling To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Bud and Richard and David, Many thanks for your responses. Unfortunately I don't have a Rotax agent nearby; I would have been very happy to have them fit the mount! Bud, the bent nozzles from the water pump housing seem to already have a bend of around 40 degrees, certainly not 80 degrees - 2 photos attached with the standard Europa XS exhaust system temporarily fitted. The hose from the lower nozzle is disconnected. The clearance between the end of the lower bent nozzle and top of the silencer is 15 mm - is that sufficient? To increase the clearance a bit it seems I would have to rotate the bent nozzle upwards a bit. I just wanted to clarify what you mean by an 80 degree bent nozzle - I presume you mean bent to nearly a right angle. If so, my engine doesn't have those. Maybe they have chenged them on recent engines? My engine serial no is 5647439. So I presume, if I have not misunderstood you, that I don't need to change the nozzle? Is that correct? Many thanks for your help - I really appreciate your response and advice. Kind regards, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN YERLY To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Kieth, Your fun has just begun. I have my Rotax dealer do my ring mounts, and it's worth it. When they make the mods, the warranty is not in question. However, if you want to do it yourself. Remove the water pump cover and the lower pilot side hoses. You've done the hard part of moving the ignition harness. The starter can stay on, but access is better with it off. The carbs don't have to be taken off, but it can help. At this point getting the ring mount on is easy. Next you may find that the ring mount doesn't fit snugly. Rotax sells a shim kit for the mount which allows a proper fit. See their parts list. Torque as indicated in the maintenance manual. The ring mount should not be flexed to install. Unless you are changing the exhaust system from the stock Europa, you must replace the water pump housing lower left (looking forward) bent nozzle from a 80 degree to a 45 degree. This will allow sufficient clearance to position the muffler as the Fire Wall Forward (Euroopa XS) instructions direct. To remove the 80 degree nozzle, heat the housing carefully and rotate off the nozzle. I use a propane torch, and heat the housing uniformly (about 400 degrees F) until the nozzle just starts to move easily and maintain constant temp after the nozzle starts to rotate and continue the uniform heat until off. A nice piece of 1/2 inch stock stuck in the hole works well. Do not cock the nozzle or you will destroy the threads. If you have to, use a small pipe wrench. It is best to remove both the nozzles on that side for ease of installation and removal. You have to rotate the upper nozzle to turn the lower. (It's never easy!) You might as well take off the one you loosened to ensure a good seal. That's your choice. Clean the threads and reinstall with loctite 243 in the orientation which will allow the two lower pilot side hoses to fit through the V in the ring mount support. When you reinstall the water pump housing, replace your gasket and if necessary the compression washers. Please note the stainless bolt goes at the 6 o'clock position and make sure you have a good seal with a new or cleaned up compression washer. That bolt has coolant running around it and it will leak if not done correctly. Torque as indicated. Do not over torque. Again, consult with the Rotax parts list for the 45 degree part number. Reinstall the coolant lines and protect your hoses with a heat shield. For better service, go to a racing catalogue and order aluminum heat sleeve to finish off the installation. Get enough heat sleeve to do the oil lines also. Once the engine is modified as indicated above, the FWF assembly is straight forward. Some have left the coolant lines below the ring mount when using the older rounder style muffler, but even then, the muffler's heat destroys the lower hose. One guy rotated the 80 degree nozzle aft, and put a very long hose on the nozzle to clear the muffler. Not very neat, and made mounting the engine more of a pain. It takes a long day to do it the first time. Go slow and take your time, don't force anything and enjoy yourself. It took longer to do this email than modify the pump housing. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hickling To: Eurpoa List Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:09 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fitting Rotax ring mount for 912uls Merry Christmas everyone. Can someone please tell me how to fit the ringmount for the 912 uls? So far I've disconnected the rear mount of the ignition modules so the mount can slide under that, and the bottom 2 coolant hoses, but I still can't get the mount past the starter motor. Or, if I lift it over the starter motor first then it won't get past the alternator. Is it necessary to remove the starter motor, or can the ringmount somehow be manipulated past it? It's a bit like those Chinese puzzles designed to drive you mad! Many thanks, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:56 PM PST US From: rob@Neils.US Subject: Europa-List: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes My reservoir is not pressurized. I bleed the brakes as Craig describes but I can't get any pressure on the second stroke unless the Jamar brakes are verticle instead or horizontal. I can get all the air out of the system by working the cylinders only when verticle then pumping fluid up from the brake nipple to where the brake line loosely connects to the clylinders until I get no bubbles the I tighten the cylinder/line connection. Doing this makes the brakes work well...for quite a while but when I have to bleed the system again I have to dismount the cylinders and loosen the cylinder/line connection allowing bubbles and brake fluid to seep out until I tighten the connection. It's a real pain to go through all this to simply bleed the brakes...and it makes a mess. There's gotta be something wrong with the system that I haven't yet been able to figure out. Maybe a leak? Maybe a piston part in backwards? Maybe poor machining on the cylinders allowing leak-by on the return stroke? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:32 PM PST US From: "David DeFord" Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 reamer The recent discussion of 16.5mm reamers reminds me that we completed Mod 72 a few months ago and have no further use for the required reamer. I'd be happy to send it on to someone else, or maybe deliver it to someone who is not too far from the San Francisco Bay area. Dave DeFord N135TD ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:12 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes Rob, I had a similar problem along with bleeding. The DOT 5 fluid kept going down after a few flights and long taxies. After a lot of re-bleeding and re-filling the fluid, plus cleaning off the undercarriage I finally found the leek. Air was getting in, and the fluid was leaking out from the bleeder set screws on the side of the master cylinders. I put some Permatex gasket dressing on the bleeder screws and haven't had the problem since. Hope this helps. Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 100 hours and climbing slowly. On Dec 29, 2007, at 6:53 PM, rob@Neils.US wrote: > My reservoir is not pressurized. > > I bleed the brakes as Craigdescribes but I can't get any pressure on > the second stroke unless the Jamar brakes are verticle instead or > horizontal. > > I can get all the air out of thesystem by working the cylinders only > when verticle then pumping fluid up from the brake nipple to where the > brake line loosely connects to the clylinders until I get no bubbles > the I tighten the cylinder/line connection. Doing this makes the > brakes work well...for quite a while but when I have to bleed the > system again I have to dismount the cylinders and loosen the > cylinder/line connection allowing bubbles and brake fluid to seep out > until I tighten the connection. It's a real pain to go through all > this to simply bleed the brakes...and it makes a mess. > > There's gotta be something wrong with the systemthat I haven't yet > been able to figureout. Maybe a leak? Maybe a piston part in > backwards? Maybe poor machining on the cylinders allowing leak-by on > the return stroke? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.