Europa-List Digest Archive

Tue 01/01/08


Total Messages Posted: 21



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:52 AM - Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (Brian Davies)
     2. 02:14 AM - Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (Robert C Harrison)
     3. 03:21 AM - Re: Mod 74 - after-effect; and Wm Mills DOTH (Trevpond@aol.com)
     4. 05:17 AM - Ethanol in fuel (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
     5. 07:47 AM - Mods 74 and 73 (David.Corbett)
     6. 09:35 AM - AW: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (Europa (Alfred Buess))
     7. 10:42 AM - Fuel Selector Valve (Rick Stockton)
     8. 11:33 AM - Re: Europaprecision ()
     9. 11:53 AM - Re: 914 fuel pumps series ()
    10. 01:18 PM - Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (ALAN YERLY)
    11. 01:27 PM - Re: Mods 74 and 73 (Laptop JR)
    12. 01:32 PM - Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (Laptop JR)
    13. 01:41 PM - Re: Fuel Selector Valve (Rick Stockton)
    14. 02:01 PM - Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (Laptop JR)
    15. 02:07 PM - Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (Laptop JR)
    16. 05:11 PM - Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's (Graham Singleton)
    17. 06:03 PM - Re:Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through (Troy Maynor)
    18. 06:09 PM - Rotax 94 and the Dynon EMS-D10 (Fergus Kyle)
    19. 08:09 PM - auxillary fuel tank (Kevin Klinefelter)
    20. 11:02 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    21. 11:13 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:52:29 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
    Subject: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's Hi Bob, Going by the survey that was done when the mod first came out, most people used longer pins. Regards Brian Davies Kit 454 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laptop JR Sent: 01 January 2008 05:50 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's Fellow builders My study of Mod 73 tells me that we are to put a 10mm piece of masking tape on the underneath face of the TP6's to cover the hole and then two layers of bid (1" squares) perhaps added to some dregs of dry flox used to fill the corners of the hole in the skin, and then another two layers of bid from the 8" squares of bid that keep the TP 6 in place. When I put a pip-pin throught the dry TP6 there appeared to be about 1.5mm of clearance to the protruding balls. As I am ready to lay glass, My question is please --------- Has anyone done the Mod 73 Job and been able to still use their original pip pins? In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin as possible? Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? Sincerely JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit No 327 in Oz as I try to complete tailplanes before filling them. -- 11:27 11:27


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    Time: 02:14:49 AM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's Hi! Bob G I managed to use the original pip pins.(especially difficult in my case since I originally put them in at an angle ) They work as proscribed but I have screw caps which act as a secondary "keeper" also. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laptop JR Sent: 01 January 2008 05:50 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's Fellow builders My study of Mod 73 tells me that we are to put a 10mm piece of masking tape on the underneath face of the TP6's to cover the hole and then two layers of bid (1" squares) perhaps added to some dregs of dry flox used to fill the corners of the hole in the skin, and then another two layers of bid from the 8" squares of bid that keep the TP 6 in place. When I put a pip-pin throught the dry TP6 there appeared to be about 1.5mm of clearance to the protruding balls. As I am ready to lay glass, My question is please --------- Has anyone done the Mod 73 Job and been able to still use their original pip pins? In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin as possible? Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? Sincerely JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit No 327 in Oz as I try to complete tailplanes before filling them. -- -- 30/12/2007 11:27


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    Time: 03:21:28 AM PST US
    From: Trevpond@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Mod 74 - after-effect; and Wm Mills DOTH
    Hi David, I'm in for Williams DOTH - looking forward to it. Trev Pond G-LINN


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    Time: 05:17:53 AM PST US
    From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
    Subject: Ethanol in fuel
    In a message dated 1/1/2008 2:59:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: If you are unlucky like us in the green state of Florida many of our stations are adding 10% ethanol to all blends, they are supposed to post it on the pumps so be careful. Greetings Bud and all, I have 2, 550 gallon underground fuel tanks at my strip and I usually run a 50/50 blend of Amoco 93 and 100LL. This helps reduce lead fouling and reduces the cost per gallon somewhat. I recently (late November) spoke with a representative of Amoco at the local fuel terminal because I was wanting to know where they were with blending in their winter additives. I was thinking of buying some fuel, hopefully before the winter stuff is put in, but I was a little too late this year. They were already at stage II of IV. I'll have to wait until mid April now to get fuel without the winter crap added, but I intend to tank up when they are back to normal 93. The Amoco rep told me that here in Tennessee, we have about another year before ethanol is mandatory for all auto fuels statewide. He said that ethanol up to 10% can be added with no warning on the pump. Anything at or above 10% ethanol is required by law to be posted on the pump. FWIW, the EAA sells a nifty little ethanol tester for about $15. Simple, cheap and effective. I would encourage everyone on this side of the pond to join the AOPA if you aren't already a member. The AOPA is on the front lines of this (and many other issues like user fees) and is working on our behalf to come to some sort of remedy regarding ethanol for those of us who run mogas in airplanes. The AOPA is our voice in Congress. Our Congresscritters have swallowed this ethanol boondoggle hook, line and sinker and unless we make a lot of noise about it, we're going to have to swallow hard, too. Happy New Year! Regards, John Lawton Whitwell, TN (TN89) N245E - Flying - 149.5 hours and lovin' every minute of it! (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 07:47:13 AM PST US
    From: "David.Corbett" <david.corbett5@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Mods 74 and 73
    Thanks to Roger Lloyd and Adrian Lloyd - who has the special pliers required for my problem - my wing pip pins are now out; many thanks to everyone else who replied. For Bob Gowing in Oz - I did Mod 73 for 4 pairs of tailplanes; all four pairs were able to re-use their existing pip pins, although I did advise one owner to buy a longer pair. Good luck! David


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    Time: 09:35:16 AM PST US
    From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
    Subject: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's Bob, Some days ago I implementes Mod 73. The original pip pins still fit perfectly - there is even a little margin left for the balls to engage. However I didn't put the 10 mm masking tape to cover the hole, as I wanted the bid layers to bond everywhere possible to TP6. No problem at all for the disassembly: Good greasing of all metal parts that should not bond made the disassembly easy and simple after curing of the layups. I am working now on Mod 74: Taking off the "old" wing pins was by far the most difficult part. I definitly know now that these pins (bonded in with Redux as instructed in my manual) were good enough for any load you can think of in this part of the aircraft structure. After this experience I am pretty shure that in my case - Mod 52 is installed - the aircraft would have been totally safe without Mod 74 - but it is mandatory and is now implemented. And I would not have known that the "old" wing pins were so perfectly bound to the wing structure if I hadn't taken them out ..... Good luck, cheers Alfred Alfred Buess Zollikofen, Switzerland Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Laptop JR Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Januar 2008 06:50 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's Fellow builders My study of Mod 73 tells me that we are to put a 10mm piece of masking tape on the underneath face of the TP6's to cover the hole and then two layers of bid (1" squares) perhaps added to some dregs of dry flox used to fill the corners of the hole in the skin, and then another two layers of bid from the 8" squares of bid that keep the TP 6 in place. When I put a pip-pin throught the dry TP6 there appeared to be about 1.5mm of clearance to the protruding balls. As I am ready to lay glass, My question is please --------- Has anyone done the Mod 73 Job and been able to still use their original pip pins? In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin as possible? Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? Sincerely JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit No 327 in Oz as I try to complete tailplanes before filling them. --


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    Time: 10:42:25 AM PST US
    From: Rick Stockton <aireupora@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Fuel Selector Valve
    In Chapter 17, Next to last paragraph it states use AN960-516 washer with the W14 spacers. When I do this the washer falls over the spacers. I'm thinking this is a misprint and should be AN960-416. Are am I installing it incorrectly?


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    Time: 11:33:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europaprecision
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Fred "if left in this way, there's no doubt in my mind that the bushes wouldn't be able to do their job and the result would be wear in the holes for the pin in the swing arm LG02 and LG02A" I welded on a plate to the pin that holds onto the swingarm so if friction wins out, the bushings are forced to do their job no matter. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 11:53:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 914 fuel pumps series
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Jerry Rehn "Anyone have a neat package to accomplish this that they want to share?" You can have a look at: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Begin-06-2003&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Look under 914 modular fuel system. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 01:18:14 PM PST US
    From: "ALAN YERLY" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's I have a 50 % success rate with 4 done now. The more glass, the longer the pin. Both XS aircraft built prototypically worked with the old pins. The Classic and a custom built moded tail plane (had a PVC threaded cover) needed longer pins. I cheat, as I have extra Classic and XS pitch tubes to allow me to glass the whole thing up on the bench. Carr Lane supplies 2 inch long pins that work great. About $16 each. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: Laptop JR<mailto:jrgowing@bigpond.net.au> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:50 AM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au<mailto:jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>> Fellow builders My study of Mod 73 tells me that we are to put a 10mm piece of masking tape on the underneath face of the TP6's to cover the hole and then two layers of bid (1" squares) perhaps added to some dregs of dry flox used to fill the corners of the hole in the skin, and then another two layers of bid from the 8" squares of bid that keep the TP 6 in place. When I put a pip-pin throught the dry TP6 there appeared to be about 1.5mm of clearance to the protruding balls. As I am ready to lay glass, My question is please --------- Has anyone done the Mod 73 Job and been able to still use their original pip pins? In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin as possible? Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? Sincerely JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit No 327 in Oz as I try to complete tailplanes before filling them. -- http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-List>


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    Time: 01:27:34 PM PST US
    From: "Laptop JR" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Mods 74 and 73
    Dear David Thank you for the quick reply and the positive news! I can now attack with alacrity! JR (bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: David.Corbett To: Europa Forum Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:45 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mods 74 and 73 Thanks to Roger Lloyd and Adrian Lloyd - who has the special pliers requi red for my problem - my wing pip pins are now out; many thanks to everyone else who replied. For Bob Gowing in Oz - I did Mod 73 for 4 pairs of tailplanes; all four p airs were able to re-use their existing pip pins, although I did advise one owner to buy a longer pair. Good luck! David =5F-=========================================================== =5F- =5F-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- =5F-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) =5F- =5F-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on =5F-= the Contribution link below to find out more about =5F-= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! =5F- =5F-= List Contribution Web Site: =5F- =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F- =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F- =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Europa-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FEuropa-List =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 007 11:27 AM --


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    Time: 01:32:30 PM PST US
    From: "Laptop JR" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's Dear Alfred Buess Thank you for your reply too! I found my original job on the wing pins to be good; but as you say it was reassuring to have another look at previous work. Best Wishes JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- o From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:33 AM Subject: AW: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's > <ykibuess@bluewin.ch> > > Bob, > > Some days ago I implementes Mod 73. The original pip pins still fit > perfectly - there is even a little margin left for the balls to engage. > However I didn't put the 10 mm masking tape to cover the hole, as I wanted > the bid layers to bond everywhere possible to TP6. No problem at all for > the > disassembly: Good greasing of all metal parts that should not bond made > the > disassembly easy and simple after curing of the layups. > > I am working now on Mod 74: Taking off the "old" wing pins was by far the > most difficult part. I definitly know now that these pins (bonded in with > Redux as instructed in my manual) were good enough for any load you can > think of in this part of the aircraft structure. After this experience I > am > pretty shure that in my case - Mod 52 is installed - the aircraft would > have > been totally safe without Mod 74 - but it is mandatory and is now > implemented. And I would not have known that the "old" wing pins were so > perfectly bound to the wing structure if I hadn't taken them out ..... > > Good luck, cheers > Alfred > > > Alfred Buess > Zollikofen, Switzerland > Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS > > -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Laptop JR > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Januar 2008 06:50 > An: europa-list@matronics.com > Betreff: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original > Pip-Pins > through the TP4 and TP6's > > > Fellow builders > > My study of Mod 73 tells me that we are to put a 10mm piece of masking > tape > on the underneath face of the TP6's to cover the hole and then two layers > of > bid (1" squares) perhaps added to some dregs of dry flox used to fill the > corners of the hole in the skin, and then another two layers of bid from > the > 8" squares of bid that keep the TP 6 in place. > > When I put a pip-pin throught the dry TP6 there appeared to be about 1.5mm > of clearance to the protruding balls. > > As I am ready to lay glass, My question is please --------- > > Has anyone done the Mod 73 Job and been able to still use their original > pip > pins? > > In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin > as > possible? > Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? > > Sincerely > JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit No 327 in Oz as I try to complete tailplanes before > filling them. > > > -- > > > -- > 30/12/2007 11:27 AM > --


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    Time: 01:41:37 PM PST US
    From: Rick Stockton <aireupora@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Selector Valve
    I figured it out. The AN960-516 go under the selector valve pointer. Rick Stockton <aireupora@sbcglobal.net> wrote: In Chapter 17, Next to last paragraph it states use AN960-516 washer with the W14 spacers. When I do this the washer falls over the spacers. I'm thinking this is a misprint and should be AN960-416. Are am I installing it incorrectly?


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    Time: 02:01:29 PM PST US
    From: "Laptop JR" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's Thank you Bob Harrison You are about the 3rd reply and they are all positive - at which I am surprised! - isn't this Matronics facility a marvel? I feel that I already know you from your postings, and from Kingsley Hurst who visited you in the UK. Best Wishes and thanks again JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's > <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Hi! Bob G > I managed to use the original pip pins.(especially difficult in my case > since I originally put them in at an angle ) They work as proscribed but > I have screw caps which act as a secondary "keeper" also. > Regards > Bob Harrison. G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laptop JR > Sent: 01 January 2008 05:50 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original > Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's > > > Fellow builders > > My study of Mod 73 tells me that we are to put a 10mm piece of masking > tape > on the underneath face of the TP6's to cover the hole and then two > layers of > bid (1" squares) perhaps added to some dregs of dry flox used to fill > the > corners of the hole in the skin, and then another two layers of bid from > the > 8" squares of bid that keep the TP 6 in place. > > When I put a pip-pin throught the dry TP6 there appeared to be about > 1.5mm > of clearance to the protruding balls. > > As I am ready to lay glass, My question is please --------- > > Has anyone done the Mod 73 Job and been able to still use their original > pip > pins? > > In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin > as > possible? > Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? > > Sincerely > JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit No 327 in Oz as I try to complete tailplanes > before > filling them. > > > -- > > > -- > 30/12/2007 11:27 > > > -- > 30/12/2007 11:27 AM > > --


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    Time: 02:07:48 PM PST US
    From: "Laptop JR" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's Dear Brian Davies I had thought that longer pins were almost surely needed and wanted to cut the cover to the minimum as I understand that the long pins are expensive for something that we should not have had to do. However it looks as if they probably will not be needed...... Thank you for your reply. JR (Bob ) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins through the TP4 and TP6's > > Hi Bob, > > Going by the survey that was done when the mod first came out, most people > used longer pins. > > Regards > > Brian Davies Kit 454 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laptop JR > Sent: 01 January 2008 05:50 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original > Pip-Pins > through the TP4 and TP6's > > > Fellow builders > > My study of Mod 73 tells me that we are to put a 10mm piece of masking > tape > on the underneath face of the TP6's to cover the hole and then two layers > of > bid (1" squares) perhaps added to some dregs of dry flox used to fill the > corners of the hole in the skin, and then another two layers of bid from > the > 8" squares of bid that keep the TP 6 in place. > > When I put a pip-pin throught the dry TP6 there appeared to be about 1.5mm > of clearance to the protruding balls. > > As I am ready to lay glass, My question is please --------- > > Has anyone done the Mod 73 Job and been able to still use their original > pip > pins? > > In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin > as > possible? > Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? > > Sincerely > JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit No 327 in Oz as I try to complete tailplanes before > filling them. snipped --


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    Time: 05:11:48 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through the TP4 and TP6's Bob & All you're right again ?;-) but it's also nice to respond to the factory's second thoughts. When the original Classic was designed there was enormous pressure to get the design finished and start selling kits. Starting a business from scratch is far from easy. Starting an aircraft business from scratch is much harder than that. Not many folks are capable of doing it, we were lucky we had Ivan to do it for us, (imho {{;-) btw He now has his prototype Liberty on the PFA, (correction, it's LAA as of yesterday) we might start to see him at DOTHs if I can twist his arm to come and talk to us. It's taken a year to pursuade the FAA to write it off their N reg list. Control freaks these regulators imho. For once CAA were much more responsive to reason, (or maybe it was determined ear bending.) Graham Laptop JR wrote: > > Dear Alfred Buess > > Thank you for your reply too! > I found my original job on the wing pins to be good; but as you say it > was reassuring to have another look at previous work. > > Best Wishes > JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz


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    Time: 06:03:58 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Re:Europa Mandatory Mod 73 - re -use of original Pip-Pins
    through <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< In other words - is it worth striving to keep cover over the TP6 as thin as possible? Or is it just impossible to retain use of the original pip pins? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob, I was able to reuse the original pins with no problem. I followed the directions and got lucky I guess. There's a couple pix on the Forum gallery, but there were taken before the holes were drilled out again. They're under the section "flying surfaces". Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA


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    Time: 06:09:26 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Rotax 94 and the Dynon EMS-D10
    Cheers for 2008-01-01 I am attempting to install the above on the above, and having difficulty discovering the skills needed. If you are doing the same - and I presume are miles ahead of me, would you please take a minute to set me right? (Maybe two). I have in my shaking hand a black semi-rectangular device which the instructions claim is a manifold air pressure sensor. It is on page 3-5, figure 1. If this is a European sensor it will probably mount with metric hardware, but at the moment the mounting holes are a tad under 1/4" or say 6mm. BUT there is no room for a bolthead or matching nut, nor are there any instructions to accomplish same. Nor is there any description of the mounting method (bolts, straps, cradle....?) An attempt at education followed the hint that this umarked device was 'from' Weatherpack.com. This URL devoted itself entirely to connectors, and the sensor remained a mystery unit. Application to Dynon extensive if confusing website gave no hint. Nor is there any way to email them for answers. I hate to telephone but I guess the spoken word is king. Until I can unravel the strange nomenclature and in-house wording, I would suggest serious research before taking these steps. Happy landings Ferg


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    Time: 08:09:07 PM PST US
    From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
    Subject: auxillary fuel tank
    Hi All, Has anyone out there put together their own axillary fuel tank design? I am looking for ideas, probably a commercially available plastic tank that could be strapped into the baggage area of an XS mono. I have the Singleton fuel tank outlets with vacant taps because I elected to not install a sight gage, so I am considering plumbing in there, to the Main side, and not siphoning as the Europa design does.Any one doing something like that? I would buy a Europa aux tank but the cost is just a bit crazy, with the dollar so low. Anybody got one they want to let go? I am not yet flying, but with the 914 cruising at 16 to 18 grand it would seem that 18.5 gallons is a bit limiting? It'd be nice to keep going on long XC flights once you are way up there cruising along at 200 mph TAS. Kevin


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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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    Dear Listers, Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Europa-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Europa-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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