---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/05/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:54 AM - Re: AW: auxillary fuel tank (Graham Singleton) 2. 07:34 AM - Re: AW: auxillary fuel tank (Karl Heindl) 3. 08:39 AM - Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) (Martin Tuck) 4. 10:10 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) (Carl Pattinson) 5. 10:57 AM - Europa owners in the Tampa area, Florida (nigel charles) 6. 11:09 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) (Paul McAllister) 7. 06:39 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) (Martin Tuck) 8. 07:11 PM - Kit Number for australian kit (craig bastin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:05 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: AW: Europa-List: auxillary fuel tank The top cowl was lower and the windscreen extended down to meet it. He must have moulded his own screen. Graham Fred Klein wrote: > > > On Friday, Jan 4, 2008, at 16:41 US/Pacific, Graham Singleton wrote: > >> I remember meeting Walter briefly at Kirkbymoorside... >> His windsceen was much deeper than ours which gives better visibility >> and he still cruised at 140kts on an 80hp 912. > > > Graham, > > Could you elaborate on what you mean by "deeper"...? > > Thanks, > > Fred > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:43 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: AW: Europa-List: auxillary fuel tank It might be worth mentioning that the same type of mod was done to G-IRON, picture is in the EF. Karl
> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:53:23 +0000> From: g rahamsingleton@btinternet.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Graham Singleton > > The top cowl was lower and the windscreen extended down to meet it. He > must have moulded his ow n screen.> Graham> > Fred Klein wrote:> > --> Europa-List message posted by : Fred Klein > > > > > > On Friday, Jan 4, 2008, at 16:41 US/Pacific, Graham Singleton wrote:> > > >> I remember meeting Walte r briefly at Kirkbymoorside...> >> His windsceen was much deeper than ours which gives better visibility > >> and he still cruised at 140kts on an 80h p 912.> > > > > > Graham,> > > > Could you elaborate on what you mean by "d eeper"...?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Fred> > > > > > -- > Graham Singleton> > T ===============> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:36 AM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) Hi Folks, On the advice of some of you on this forum, I went with the Grand Rapids EIS for the Rotax 912 as part of my panel upgrade. A few questions though to those who have already fitted it. 1) Any problems I should look out for. Any gotchas? 2) It came with two EGT probes but nothing to say where they should be fitted. I assume you drill a hole in the exhaust manifold but where. Is it wise to drill holes in situ as swarf may end up in the exhaust valves. I've gone all this time with no EGT indication so I'm inclined not to fit these. What have others done? 3) It looks like you have to use GRT CHT probes (not supplied, Grrr). I thought the GRT website said the unit used the Rotax senders or maybe that's just oil temp and pressure senders? Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Martin Tuck Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:14 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) The positioning of the EGT probes is fairly critical if you want accurate readings but ultimately it probably dosent matter as they are normally used for comparative purposes (ie: left side vs right side). I believe the measurements are given in the Rotax manual. If you do fit them either fit both on front manifolds or both on rear (not one on the front and one on the rear), otherwise you will get different readings. I think from memory the front cylinders run hotter than the rear ones but you might check on this. Its best to fit to the hottest ones. Mine are secured with jubilee clips (sensors poking inside the holes in the manifolds). My engine is a basic 912, not a 912 S. Hope this helps. Carl Pattinson G-LABS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Tuck" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) > > Hi Folks, > > On the advice of some of you on this forum, I went with the Grand Rapids > EIS for the Rotax 912 as part of my panel upgrade. > > A few questions though to those who have already fitted it. > > 1) Any problems I should look out for. Any gotchas? > > 2) It came with two EGT probes but nothing to say where they should be > fitted. I assume you drill a hole in the exhaust manifold but where. Is it > wise to drill holes in situ as swarf may end up in the exhaust valves. > I've gone all this time with no EGT indication so I'm inclined not to fit > these. What have others done? > > 3) It looks like you have to use GRT CHT probes (not supplied, Grrr). I > thought the GRT website said the unit used the Rotax senders or maybe > that's just oil temp and pressure senders? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > Wichita, Kansas > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:05 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: Europa-List: Europa owners in the Tampa area, Florida I will be on a trip to Tampa arriving on 15th Jan and returning to the UK on the 17th. If any Europa owners/builders in the area would like to meet up perhaps they would like to respond to me off forum at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk. If anyone in the Tampa area needs easily carried parts from Europa 2004 there is just time for me to place an order to my UK address. Obviously this would be limited to parts that can be carried in hold luggage. Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:09 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) Hi Martin, I have an EIS 4000, so some of my experience should translate. I seem to recall I used the GRT CHT sensors and placed them under the existing Rotax sensors. The Rotax CHT senors can be found under the bottom of the cylinders and there are only two. I would suggest that you monitor the same two EHT temperatures as CHT sensors. I suspect that in the case of the EIS 2004, it should simply work with the existing Rotax CHT sensors. For the oil temperature and pressure I connected mine to the Rotax sensors and it worked fine. On my 914 it has threaded receptacles on the exhaust pipes and I would recommend that if you put the hose clip types on a 912 that they should be roughly in the same position. I think the 914 maintenance & parts manual is online so you should be able to get a good idea from there. Regards, Paul ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:07 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Re: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) Thanks Paul and Carl for the input. On further inspection I believe I do possess the Grand Rapids CHT sensors after all - the instructions say replace the Rotax sensors with 10 mm bolts with the sensors under, but as the ring is thin maybe I could just put them on under the Rotax sensors as Paul suggests - I don't think they would vibrate loose. Anyone else done that? The Rotax manual does give a EGT sensor position and it should be easy to drill a hole to suit the sensors in the left and right front downpipes. Thanks, Martin ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:24 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit Dont know if anyone can help with this, but I bought my kit unstarted from Harold Isberg (also owned a Mono) The foam core dates are august 2001. Harold couldn't help me with the kit number as so much time had passed (6 years) since he bought this second kit. I found some old archives from 2001 making mention of someone having a list of major part numbers and kit numbers. I have concerns about getting my rego without the kit number. 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