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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Kit Number for australian kit (Brian Davies)
2. 01:24 AM - Re: Kit Number for australian kit (craig bastin)
3. 01:31 AM - Re: Kit Number for australian kit (Laptop JR)
4. 02:11 AM - Re: Kit Number for australian kit (Trevpond@aol.com)
5. 02:22 AM - Europa Trips and outings - Tour de France 2008 - July (Bob Hitchcock)
6. 06:40 AM - Europa Club UK Annual Bash (Brian Davies)
7. 06:41 AM - Re: GRT EIS (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) (rampil)
9. 08:44 AM - Re: Europa owners in the Tampa area, Florida (Rman)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) (John & Paddy Wigney)
11. 12:47 PM - Re: auxillary fuel tank (rampil)
12. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: auxillary fuel tank (Greg Fuchs (FB))
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| Subject: | Kit Number for australian kit |
Craig,
The best bet would be to speak to the factory. Your best chance of a
response is by phone.
Regards
Brian Davies kit 454
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: 06 January 2008 03:14
Subject: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit
--> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Dont know if anyone can help with this, but I bought my kit unstarted from
Harold Isberg (also owned a Mono) The foam core dates are august 2001.
Harold couldn't help me with the kit number as so much time had passed (6
years) since he bought this second kit.
I found some old
archives from 2001 making mention of someone having a list of major part
numbers and kit numbers.
I have concerns about getting my rego without the kit number.
Craig
11:46 AM
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| Subject: | Kit Number for australian kit |
yes i tried emailing them, but got no reply, I guess i will have to stay up
late or get up early and phone them
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Davies
Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit
Craig,
The best bet would be to speak to the factory. Your best chance of a
response is by phone.
Regards
Brian Davies kit 454
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: 06 January 2008 03:14
Subject: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit
--> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Dont know if anyone can help with this, but I bought my kit unstarted from
Harold Isberg (also owned a Mono) The foam core dates are august 2001.
Harold couldn't help me with the kit number as so much time had passed (6
years) since he bought this second kit.
I found some old
archives from 2001 making mention of someone having a list of major part
numbers and kit numbers.
I have concerns about getting my rego without the kit number.
Craig
11:46 AM
11:46
11:46
11:46 AM
11:46 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Number for australian kit |
Craig
Have you asked Europa for a list of kit sales to buyers in Australia?
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archivve
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From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit
>
> Dont know if anyone can help with this, but I bought my kit unstarted from
> Harold Isberg
> (also owned a Mono) The foam core dates are august 2001. Harold couldn't
> help me with the kit
> number as so much time had passed (6 years) since he bought this second
> kit.
> I found some old
> archives from 2001 making mention of someone having a list of major part
> numbers and kit numbers.
> I have concerns about getting my rego without the kit number.
>
> Craig
> 11:46 AM
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> 4/01/2008 12:05 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Number for australian kit |
Craig,
I think Europa 2004 should be able to help - speak to Roger.
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Europa Trips and outings - Tour de France 2008 - July |
Great food & wine, good flying, good company and www.wright2008.com
Regards
Bob
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| Subject: | Europa Club UK Annual Bash |
For those club members living in the UK or brave enough to cross the channel
in winter, there are still a few places left for the club annual bash on 19
January.
It is being held at Brandon Hall Hotel and Spar , Brandon, Warwickshire, CV8
3FW. Give the hotel a call on 02476 546000 and book a room for the night,
quoting the Europa Club to get a group discount.
The meal menu and full details of the event are on the club website in the
Club News section. Just click on the words on the home page. You do not
need to be registered for access to the members only area.
You will need to contact Dave Bosomworth , club chairman, to confirm your
meal choice.
Last year's event was a resounding success so if you wish to attend I urge
you to do it quickly before all of the places are taken up.
Regards
Brian Davies, Europa Club membership secretary
Do not archive
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In a message dated 1/6/2008 2:58:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
europa-list@matronics.com writes:
1) Any problems I should look out for. Any gotchas?
Hello Martin,
I've got a GRT EIS with graphical interface mated to my Jab 3300 in N245E.
I'm overall very pleased with the performance of the GRT EIS. It does
occasionally give false low readings on the tach which sets off the RPM alarm,
though. Same thing on the EGT. It occasionally will give false high alarms, even
though it shows EGT's well within range. I have yet to figure out why I'm
getting the false readings and GRT doesn't seem to know, either. It hasn't
happened enough to spend a lot of time chasing it, but it is annoying.
One thing I have noticed is you should check the integrity of the crimps on
the fittings opposite the ring end. You might need to recrimp the CHT leads
on the opposite end of the rings. I'd solder the fittings on both ends, too.
Really, you should solder any and all crimped fittings to prevent inadvertent
loading due to corrosion in the future.
I recently replaced four of my GRT CHT sensors with new GRT CHT sensors and
a couple of the old ones and all of the new ones had poorly crimped fittings
installed. I didn't catch this with the old ones on my initial installation.
The fittings opposite the ring end basically came off in my hand with a
gentle tug. This causes a high resistance coupling will lead to false readings.
I
recrimped the red end using a "Sta-Con" tool, then soldered them on both
ends. Checking them against a hand-held laser IR temp meter across the range show
they now read CHT spot on.
Hope it helps!
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) |
Hi Martin,
I also recently had to contemplate new, non-rotax CHT probes for my
new Gen 4 Blue Mountain EFIS. BMA also supplies non-thermocouple
sparkplug ring electrodes. The problem is that an engine block is
not simply a homogeneous single temperature when operating. Measuring
from different places will definitely give you different values. Measuring
from a sparkplug or from the outside of the block will give you nice
consistent values, BUT you can NOT apply the official factory limits and
critical values to those off the mark readings. Kerry at Lockwood
confirmed this opinion. Kerry, BTW, is the single most experienced
Rotax A&P in North America to my knowledge (save Eric Tucker).
Rotax CHTs are quite particular due to the metallurgy of the head.
You could measure both standard probe and your rings together for a
while and find the offset between them and then apply it to new
limits on CHT for your plane.
The easier approach in my opinion (at least it was for me) is to get the
manufacturer to offer a calibration for the standard rotax probes as an
option. The complete cal curves are available on the VDO site and I was
able to deliver these to BMA. Its really all they need to let you use the
original Rotax probes. The probes after all use the same technology, just
different scale factors.
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa owners in the Tampa area, Florida |
Sorry to have missed you, Nigel. Mary and I left the Tampa area Monday,
last...
Jeff - Baby Blue
360 hrs
nigel charles wrote:
> I will be on a trip to Tampa arriving on 15th Jan and returning to the
> UK on the 17th. If any Europa owners/builders in the area would like
> to meet up perhaps they would like to respond to me off forum at
> nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk <mailto:nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>. If anyone in the
> Tampa area needs easily carried parts from Europa 2004 there is just
> time for me to place an order to my UK address. Obviously this would
> be limited to parts that can be carried in hold luggage.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) |
Hi Mark,
I have been using an EIS 2004 for about 6 years now. I have had no
problems.
Re EGT probes, although I fitted mine to the rear exhaust pipes, I never
refer to them and I am not sure if they contribute a lot. Perhaps useful
to troubleshoot a carburetor problem but I have never had that need. I
think you may do just fine without them and it saves some wiring.
I fitted the gasket type CHT probes under two rear cylinder head nuts. I
am not sure why the CHT probes were not supplied to you. GRT's website
at http://www.grtavionics.com/model_2004.htm says they are included. I
connected my EIS coolant temperature wire with a faston type connector
to the Rotax sender on the lower rear of cylinder no. 3. The oil temp
sender has a similar connector.
As I have mentioned before, I recommend GRT's excellent fuel flow and
totaliser option. I also have a low fuel pressure sender on the
auxiliary input - this is intended to give me few seconds warning before
the engine stops if the filter blocks or whatever.
Wishing you many smooth landings.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck@cs.com> <mailto:MJKTuck@cs.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax)
Hi Folks,
On the advice of some of you on this forum, I went with the Grand Rapids
EIS for the Rotax 912 as part of my panel upgrade.
A few questions though to those who have already fitted it.
1) Any problems I should look out for. Any gotchas?
2) It came with two EGT probes but nothing to say where they should be
fitted. I assume you drill a hole in the exhaust manifold but where. Is
it wise to drill holes in situ as swarf may end up in the exhaust
valves. I've gone all this time with no EGT indication so I'm inclined
not to fit these. What have others done?
3) It looks like you have to use GRT CHT probes (not supplied, Grrr). I
thought the GRT website said the unit used the Rotax senders or maybe
that's just oil temp and pressure senders?
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards, Martin Tuck Wichita, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: auxillary fuel tank |
FWIW the Hill accident report is now complete and may be read at NTSB.gov.
The NTSB ID is LAX07LA148.
Some detail about the marine aux tank is given. The 914 revealed no
possible pre-crash malfunction although that conclusion could not be
definitive due to the post-fire effect.
No probable cause was determined
BTW, while the Oshkosh incident was due to slow airspeed in the base to
final turn, both aircraft fell from about 300 feet agl and I would not use
"slow" to describe the impact velocity and deceleration of either.
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: auxillary fuel tank |
Both of these planes must have hit at quite a speed.
The tank seems of durable type.
Interesting that in the report, the number of seats in the plane was listed
as 3. I assume this is a typo.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: auxillary fuel tank
FWIW the Hill accident report is now complete and may be read at NTSB.gov.
The NTSB ID is LAX07LA148.
Some detail about the marine aux tank is given. The 914 revealed no
possible pre-crash malfunction although that conclusion could not be
definitive due to the post-fire effect.
No probable cause was determined
BTW, while the Oshkosh incident was due to slow airspeed in the base to
final turn, both aircraft fell from about 300 feet agl and I would not use
"slow" to describe the impact velocity and deceleration of either.
--------
Ira N224XS
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