---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/07/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Avmap EKP 1V sat nav and Navaid AP 1 Autopilot (r.frost) 2. 12:31 PM - bonding cockpit module to hull (William Daniell) 3. 02:25 PM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull (craig bastin) 4. 03:26 PM - Re: Avmap EKP 1V sat nav and Navaid AP 1 Autopilot (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 5. 05:47 PM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull (William Daniell) 6. 05:55 PM - Re: Kit Number for australian kit (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 7. 06:49 PM - copper dipole (Paul Stewart) 8. 06:54 PM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull (Tony Krzyzewski) 9. 07:26 PM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull (Fred Klein) 10. 07:43 PM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull (Laptop JR) 11. 07:47 PM - Re: Kit Number for australian kit (ALAN YERLY) 12. 10:51 PM - Re: copper dipole (David DeFord) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Avmap EKP 1V sat nav and Navaid AP 1 Autopilot From: "r.frost" Hi, I am having a problem getting the Navaid (complete with smartcoupler) to talk or communicate with my satnav. I know the Avmap is sending out the correct NMEA strings because I have a Dynon D100 and the data from the Avmap flight plan is overlaid in magenta on the Dynon HSI. The unit works OK in wing leveller mode to the AP1 isn't the problem. Navaid have asked me to check the wiring from the Avmap, which I have and I have continuity, a ground and a signal from the satnav. Has anyone had a similar problem or can you provide any suggestions? Navaid have said I may need to sent the smartcoupler back to them in the States, but only as a last resort. -------- Robert Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156513#156513 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:15 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull Can anyone help with this? I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding the cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints ' (the one at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of that). I have tried injecting redux but I can=92t seem to make that work=85any hints? The option I thought of was to grind the whole flange down to the skin and then re-construct the join with a bid +/- 45 lay up. Any ideas? Anyone resolve the same issue? Thanks Will 03-Jan-08 15:52 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:07 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull If this is on a Trigear, I would go with the remove and Bid option, given you will be doing a lot more glassing for your gear sockets anyway, If you can get to any voids through the spar holes then you could glass the other side as well just to be sure you have it. Mind the fuel tank when your grinding though. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2008 3:20 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull Can anyone help with this? I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding the cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints (the one at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of that). I have tried injecting redux but I cant seem to make that workany hints? The option I thought of was to grind the whole flange down to the skin and then re-construct the join with a bid +/- 45 lay up. Any ideas? Anyone resolve the same issue? Thanks Will 03-Jan-08 15:52 10:55 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:14 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Avmap EKP 1V sat nav and Navaid AP 1 Autopilot Have you checked that the NMEA strings contain all of the required data? The NMEA protocol allows data elements to be missing, so long as the comma separators are still present (so that the absence of the data can be identified). So, for example, the cross track error data can be omitted, but the rest of the sentence is still useable. But I wouldn't have expected this on an aviation set. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "r.frost" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Europa-List: Avmap EKP 1V sat nav and Navaid AP 1 Autopilot > > Hi, > > I am having a problem getting the Navaid (complete with smartcoupler) to > talk or communicate with my satnav. I know the Avmap is sending out the > correct NMEA strings because I have a Dynon D100 and the data from the > Avmap flight plan is overlaid in magenta on the Dynon HSI. > > The unit works OK in wing leveller mode to the AP1 isn't the problem. > > Navaid have asked me to check the wiring from the Avmap, which I have and > I have continuity, a ground and a signal from the satnav. > > Has anyone had a similar problem or can you provide any suggestions? > > Navaid have said I may need to sent the smartcoupler back to them in the > States, but only as a last resort. > > -------- > Robert > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156513#156513 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:28 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull Thanks, my instinct is to do this something like 4 plies staggered by about =BE in ' does that sound right to you? will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 16:08 Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull If this is on a Trigear, I would go with the remove and Bid option, given you will be doing a lot more glassing for your gear sockets anyway, If you can get to any voids through the spar holes then you could glass the other side as well just to be sure you have it. Mind the fuel tank when your grinding though. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2008 3:20 AM Subject: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull Can anyone help with this? I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding the cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints ' (the one at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of that). I have tried injecting redux but I can=92t seem to make that work=85any hints? The option I thought of was to grind the whole flange down to the skin and then re-construct the join with a bid +/- 45 lay up. Any ideas? Anyone resolve the same issue? Thanks Will 03-Jan-08 15:52 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion 03-Jan-08 15:52 03-Jan-08 15:52 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:35 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit At 2008-01-06 13:14 +1000 craig bastin wrote: >Dont know if anyone can help with this, but I bought my kit unstarted from >Harold Isberg >(also owned a Mono) The foam core dates are august 2001. Harold couldn't >help me with the kit >number Craig - that was kit 577. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 870 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:59 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: copper dipole Anyone answer me this one. Having spent ages soldering co-ax onto the copper tape supplied by the factory, I've just broked the tape in half! Would a piece of copper wire be of similar efficacy as t he copper tape - it would certainly be easier to solder to. I'm guessing its the length of the dipole that's important rather that width or section - true or false. Regards Paul G-GIDY (running out of jobs to do) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:23 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull From: "Tony Krzyzewski" >> I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding the cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints - (the one at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of that). >> I have tried injecting redux but I can't seem to make that work...any hints? Try injecting Redux again by first drilling two small holes, in the cockpit module glass only, at the outer ends of each of the voids. Fill a 10ml syringe with the redux and inject into one hole until it oozes out of the second. Repeat for each void. Tony ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull From: Fred Klein William...sorry to hear of this but I believe it is a relatively common result with a number of posts which you may be able to coax out of the matronics archive. One aspect of the injection-solution is to provide two holes into each void...one for the syringe, and one to allow air to exit the void. Fortunately (for me), I cannot speak from direct experience as this is one particular bullet I dodged. Good luck, Fred On Monday, Jan 7, 2008, at 09:20 US/Pacific, William Daniell wrote: > Can anyone help with this? > > - > > I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding > the cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints > ' (the one at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of > that) .- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:05 PM PST US From: "Laptop JR" Subject: Re: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull William could it be that there appears to be no adhesive where the module and the f uselage are actually touching, well almost touching=3F and that where there i s a gap filled, there is enough to black out any transparency=3F That is what I thought happened with mine so long ago. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:20 AM Subject: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull Can anyone help with this=3F I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding the cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints ' (the on e at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of that). I have tried injecting redux but I can=92t seem to make that work=85any hints =3F The option I thought of was to grind the whole flange down to the skin an d then re-construct the join with a bid +/- 45 lay up. Any ideas=3F Anyone resolve the same issue=3F Thanks Will 03-Jan-08 15:52 =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Europa-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FEuropa-List =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - List Contribution Web Site - =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 08 11:57 AM -- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:23 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit Craig, The factory should have completed their move by the end of this week. I have not been able to contact them either. Keep trying. Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations. ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:27 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit > yes i tried emailing them, but got no reply, I guess i will have to stay up late or get up early and phone them -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Davies Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2008 7:01 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit > Craig, The best bet would be to speak to the factory. Your best chance of a response is by phone. Regards Brian Davies kit 454 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin Sent: 06 January 2008 03:14 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Kit Number for australian kit --> > Dont know if anyone can help with this, but I bought my kit unstarted from Harold Isberg (also owned a Mono) The foam core dates are august 2001. Harold couldn't help me with the kit number as so much time had passed (6 years) since he bought this second kit. I found some old archives from 2001 making mention of someone having a list of major part numbers and kit numbers. I have concerns about getting my rego without the kit number. Craig 11:46 AM 11:46 11:46 11:46 AM 11:46 AM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:55 PM PST US From: "David DeFord" Subject: RE: Europa-List: copper dipole > --> > > Anyone answer me this one. Having spent ages soldering co-ax onto > the copper tape supplied by the factory, I've just broked the > tape in > half! Would a piece of copper wire be of similar efficacy as t he > copper tape - it would certainly be easier to solder to. I'm > guessing its the length of the dipole that's important rather that > width or section - true or false. > Paul, The length is the main factor determining the operating frequency of the antenna, while the width of the conductors determines the range of frequencies over which the antenna works. Since the aviation band is rather wide (as a percentage of the frequency), it is desirable to use wider conductors. It is no problem to repair a break in the copper tape with a piece of wire soldered across the break, however. It is definitely mandatory to fix the coax securely to the airframe prior to soldering to the copper tape, so any movement of the coax will not transmit stress to the solder joints and the fragile copper tape. Dave DeFord N135TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.