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1. 12:10 AM - Re: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:45 AM - Re: copper dipole (craig bastin)
3. 02:50 AM - Richard Holder (Roger Anderson)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: copper dipole (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull (William Daniell)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull[Scanned] (Peter Field)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: copper dipole (rampil)
8. 07:06 AM - Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 (rampil)
9. 08:03 AM - Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 (Jeff B)
10. 09:51 AM - next antenna problem (Paul Stewart)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull (Jan de Jong)
12. 10:51 AM - Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 (Fred Klein)
13. 10:51 AM - Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 (JEFF ROBERTS)
14. 10:54 AM - Re: bonding cockpit module to hull[Scanned] (William Daniell)
15. 11:17 AM - Re: next antenna problem (David Joyce)
16. 11:54 AM - Re: next antenna problem (aopd37@dsl.pipex.com)
17. 01:26 PM - Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 (rampil)
18. 03:02 PM - Europa attending Sun n Fun (ALAN YERLY)
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2004 (Rotax) |
Rick
I too am a firm believer in EGT sensing. It is the only thing that gives
an instant response of an problem. Except fuel pressure perhaps. I was
cross when factory didn't recommend it in the early days.
Graham
I still get cross with Ivan on occasion. He get's fed up with me too!
We are off on a cruise round S. America next week. Ivan tempted me.
There will be stony silence from me until March. Peace be upon you all.
{{{:-)
rick wrote:
> I found the GRT EIS method of fault warning invaluable when I had a baffle
> move in the exhaust silencer partially blocking the gas exit. The EIS
> flashed a warning when this happened and we were able to diagnose a weak
> mixture on full power causing a sudden rise in EGT. I would use as many
> fault indicators as I could in future as it's so easy for the EIS to monitor
> them and reliably tell you of faults as soon as they occur. EGT of course
> being one of the most immediate indicators of problem.
>
>
> Rick Morris
>
> G-RIKS 912S Tri
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Jim just on the note of Standing wave bridges, I have one for AM CB radios
as commonly used truckers etc, used it every time
I replaced an aerial on my car and mates cars to correctly "tune" the
aerial.I had been thinking of using it to tune my aerial but
wasnt sure if it was the correct one or not, any thoughts
craig
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 10:38 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: copper dipole
Paul-
FYI Aircraft Spruce has a reel of copper strapping material for $ 19.90.
For the work you may need to go through, it may be easier to buy it. Also,
as was mentioned, the advantage of strapping is that it is a bit more broad
band than wire would be. I assume that the manufacturers do it that way to
provide more error in the event that you do not tune the antenna. If you
have a good Standing Wave bridge and can tune it, as long as you are below
2.5 - 3 to 1 at the extreme ends of the spectrum and close to flat at the
most commonly used frequencies you will be transmitting on, wire would work
just as well as strapping.
Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
at con
1:38 PM
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Richard,
I tried sending you this message at richardholder@avnet.co.uk but it
was bounced, so I'm sending it via the forum.
I am using a Lynx Micro System in my Europa and also my flexwing in
conjunction with an Icom IC-A20 (hand held) radio. The headsets are
quite good but I am wondering if they would be suitable for your ANR
conversion and if this would be an improvement. I don't know if you are
familiar with these headsets but they do claim to have microphone noise
cancellation built in.
I shall be grateful for your advice.
Roger Anderson (G-BXTD and G-MZSM)
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Craig-
Hard to tell. Some of them will work from HF to VHF, some will not. Obviously,
the best bet would be to use a VHF specific bridge if you can get ahold of one.
I would Google your bridge and see what the manufacturer's specifications
are.
Jim
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From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Jim just on the note of Standing wave bridges, I have one for AM CB radios as commonly
used truckers etc, used it every time
I replaced an aerial on my car and mates cars to correctly "tune" the aerial.I
had been thinking of using it to tune my aerial but
wasnt sure if it was the correct one or not, any thoughts
craig
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: copper dipole
Paul-
FYI Aircraft Spruce has a reel of copper strapping material for $ 19.90. For the
work you may need to go through, it may be easier to buy it. Also, as was
mentioned, the advantage of strapping is that it is a bit more broad band than
wire would be. I assume that the manufacturers do it that way to provide more
error in the event that you do not tune the antenna. If you have a good Standing
Wave bridge and can tune it, as long as you are below 2.5 - 3 to 1 at the
extreme ends of the spectrum and close to flat at the most commonly used frequencies
you will be transmitting on, wire would work just as well as strapping.
Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
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<DIV>Hard to tell. Some of them will work from HF to VHF, some will not.
Obviously, the best bet would be to use a VHF specific bridge if you can
get ahold of one. I would Google your bridge and see what the manufacturer's
specifications are. </DIV>
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<DIV>Jim </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=109573210-09012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Jim just
on the note of Standing wave bridges, I have one for AM CB radios as commonly
used truckers etc, used it every time</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=109573210-09012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I replaced
an aerial on my car and mates cars to correctly "tune" the aerial.I had
been thinking of using it to tune my aerial </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=109573210-09012008><FONT
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<DIV><SPAN class=109573210-09012008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> wasnt
sure if it was the correct one </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=109573210-09012008><FONT
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<DIV>Paul-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FYI Aircraft Spruce has a reel of copper strapping material for $ 19.90.
For the work you may need to go through, it may be easier to buy it.
Also, as was mentioned, the advantage of strapping is that it is a bit more
broad band than wire would be. I assume that the manufacturers do it that
way to provide more error in the event that you do not tune the antenna.
If you have a good Standing Wave bridge and can tune it, as long as you are
below 2.5 - 3 to 1 at the extreme ends of the spectrum and close to flat at the
most commonly used frequencies you will be transmitting on, wire would work
just as well as strapping.</DIV>
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| Subject: | bonding cockpit module to hull |
Bob
Thanks happy new year.
I did all of that which is how I found the voidsbut buggered if
I could do anything with injecting even though I started with a very
small drill one hole and working up through 1/8 to 3/16 for the other.
I have no idea why this should be so. Maybe I am doing something wrong
probably being thick.
I think also that I am being =9Cpicky=9D nevertheless I
feel more comfortable with a complete bond. I don=99t see why a
lay up joint should not be as strong or stronger than a redux joint.
Logically the redux joins a fiberglass structure and therefore the
structure is only as strong as its weakest link which I am assuming is
the (peel) strength of the fiberglass because when you test redux the
fiberglass tends to fail before the redux. So a fiberglass to
fiberglass bond should be as strong as a fiberglass/redux/fiberglass
bond.
I hope
Will
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:19
Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Hi! Will
Sorry to have missed this sissue before now becxause what I have to say
is too late,..... "had you held a strong light behind the two reduxed
surfaces you would have seen the voids to attend to them prior to
curing. I'm surprised you can't inject with a liquid redux mix .
If you have removed the flanges you must do a good job with the scuff
sanding to do lay ups against.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Happy New Year!
----Original Message----
From: wdaniell@etb.net.co
Subj: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Bob
Quite right this is exactly what is happening in some places - but not
in others. I tried injecting but could not make it work. Became
seriously frustrated (know the feeling?)=93.
So I ground down one and found that the voids are actually bubbles in
the redux. So I ground down the rest of the flange and was glad that I
did =93 a number of voids. Not I think enough to imperil the
structure but enough to upset me.
So what I am left with is the rearmost flange ground down to the skin.
I am going to do I do a staggered 3 ply lay up along the rear flange
onto the hull.
Any thoughts on this anyone?
Another question is why this happened. If I were gluing in the cockpit
module again
1. I would use =C2=BC bolts at the key places especially at the
firewall lower bottom
2. I would support the hull in a webbing sling so that the hull
could conform to the cockpit module (I made a cradle based on the
profile of the cockpit module) which it must be admitted is roughly what
the europa cradle suggests
Will
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laptop JR
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 17:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
William
could it be that there appears to be no adhesive where the module and
the fuselage are actually touching, well almost touching? and that where
there is a gap filled, there is enough to black out any transparency?
That is what I thought happened with mine so long ago.
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:wdaniell@etb.net.co"William Daniell
"mailto:europa-list@matronics.com"europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:20 AM
Subject: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Can anyone help with this?
I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding the
cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints
=93 (the one at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of
that).
I have tried injecting redux but I can=99t seem to make that
workany hints?
The option I thought of was to grind the whole flange down to the skin
and then re-construct the join with a bid +/- 45 lay up.
Any ideas? Anyone resolve the same issue?
Thanks
Will
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| Subject: | bonding cockpit module to hull[Scanned] |
You did remember to drill 2 holes I assume, one to let the air out when
you injected the Redux ......
We have injected redux with a syringe into similar voids that occurred
when gluing in the windows with success. Messy job but it works.
When you glue the windows in make sure you have plenty of Redux on the
recess and mask the window with tape. Voids in the window recesses are
much worse to deal with than voids in the cockpit module.
Peter Field
kit 566 flying at last!
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 09 January 2008 14:04
Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull[Scanned]
Bob
Thanks happy new year.
I did all of that which is how I found the voids...but buggered if I
could do anything with injecting even though I started with a very small
drill one hole and working up through 1/8 to 3/16 for the other.
I have no idea why this should be so. Maybe I am doing something wrong
probably being thick.
I think also that I am being "picky" nevertheless I feel more
comfortable with a complete bond. I don't see why a lay up joint
should not be as strong or stronger than a redux joint. Logically the
redux joins a fiberglass structure and therefore the structure is only
as strong as its weakest link which I am assuming is the (peel) strength
of the fiberglass because when you test redux the fiberglass tends to
fail before the redux. So a fiberglass to fiberglass bond should be as
strong as a fiberglass/redux/fiberglass bond.
I hope...
Will
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:19
Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Hi! Will
Sorry to have missed this sissue before now becxause what I have to say
is too late,..... "had you held a strong light behind the two reduxed
surfaces you would have seen the voids to attend to them prior to
curing. I'm surprised you can't inject with a liquid redux mix .
If you have removed the flanges you must do a good job with the scuff
sanding to do lay ups against.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Happy New Year!
----Original Message----
From: wdaniell@etb.net.co
Date: 08/01/2008 11:52
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
Subj: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Bob
Quite right this is exactly what is happening in some places - but not
in others. I tried injecting but could not make it work. Became
seriously frustrated (know the feeling?)-.
So I ground down one and found that the voids are actually bubbles in
the redux. So I ground down the rest of the flange and was glad that I
did - a number of voids. Not I think enough to imperil the structure
but enough to upset me.
So what I am left with is the rearmost flange ground down to the skin.
I am going to do I do a staggered 3 ply lay up along the rear flange
onto the hull.
Any thoughts on this anyone?
Another question is why this happened. If I were gluing in the cockpit
module again
1. I would use =BC bolts at the key places especially at the
firewall lower bottom
2. I would support the hull in a webbing sling so that the hull
could conform to the cockpit module (I made a cradle based on the
profile of the cockpit module) which it must be admitted is roughly what
the europa cradle suggests
Will
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laptop JR
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 17:10
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
William
could it be that there appears to be no adhesive where the module and
the fuselage are actually touching, well almost touching? and that where
there is a gap filled, there is enough to black out any transparency?
That is what I thought happened with mine so long ago.
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: William Daniell <mailto:wdaniell@etb.net.co>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:20 AM
Subject: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Can anyone help with this?
I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding
the cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints -
(the one at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of that).
I have tried injecting redux but I can't seem to make that work...any
hints?
The option I thought of was to grind the whole flange down to the skin
and then re-construct the join with a bid +/- 45 lay up.
Any ideas? Anyone resolve the same issue?
Thanks
Will
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| Subject: | Re: copper dipole |
Most consumer-type (Ha!) SWR bridges work from 1-30 MHz.
Airband VHF carrier will not excite the bridge to a full scale forward
reading, making the reverse direction reading uncalibratible.
Look for a ham vhf meter - a bridge that works at 144 MHz will do fine
at 120.
I am not sure what "copper strapping" is. Strapping implies mechanical
strength for binding something. Sounds heavy. RST antennas and what
the factory supplies is very thin copper foil. This raises an other issue
learned by many people the hard way: Copper foil has a very different
thermal contraction rate than fiberglass. Therefore if you glue the foil
directly to the glass and pass through a summer and a winter season,
you will most likely find that the foil has torn. What I did was to encase
the foil antenna in wax paper and then glass the wax paper envelope
to the fuselage.
Good Luck
--------
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| Subject: | Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 |
Anybody know whether Europa 2004 will be attending this year?
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| Subject: | Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 |
Haven't heard from John, yet, but am hoping they will be there. Mary
and I will be there...
Jeff - Baby Blue
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| Subject: | next antenna problem |
As I understand it, the CAA is making my Microair mode a/c
transponder redundant before it's had chance to fly. Can anyone tell
me if a mode S transponder antenna would be the same - we have the
microair stub antenna mounted on a silvered 'CD size' ground pane.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY (dipole now mended)
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| Subject: | Re: bonding cockpit module to hull |
Re injecting into voids: grinding the injection needle square makes it a
lot more usable.
Regards,
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 |
> Anybody know whether Europa 2004 will be attending this year?
I had an email from John W. some time ago indicating that E04 has taken
a booth and will be at Sun N Fun in full force.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 |
Hello Jeff,
Say hello to the Mary as well. If we are starting a list for Sun-N-Fun,
like the one we did for the Rough River fly-in put me down. Weather
providing I'll be there. Would be nice to park with a lot of Europas!!
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 101 hours and climbing slowly.
On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Jeff B wrote:
>
> Haven't heard from John, yet, but am hoping they will be there. Mary
> and I will be there...
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> rampil wrote:
>> Anybody know whether Europa 2004 will be attending this year?
>> --------
>> Ira N224XS
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156950#156950
>
>
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| Subject: | bonding cockpit module to hull[Scanned] |
Peter
Thanks for the warning,
Mmm=85yes I did remember the two holes. And it worked with some voids
and not
with others. Having ground down a bit more I can tell you that there
were
voids that did not show using the light which I thought was quite
interesting.
I don=92t think it is a cause for concern for others for two reasons
1. I haven=92t heard of any cockpit modules coming unstuck
2. I had to reopen my wings after gluing the tops on them: two
things
a. There were voids in this too albeit much smaller and less
numerous
because I think I used sufficient redux
b. The skins were impossible to get off because the redux would not
let
go ' I tried heat, wedges ' every combination of options to prise
the skins
off whole. Eventually I realized that the structure would give way
before
the redux and had to grind the whole lot off and order new skins. There
appeared to be no appreciable difference in the strength of the bond
relative to the surrounding structure in areas of voids as opposed to
areas
with no voids ' that is to say in areas where there were voids the
flanges
would have given way before the redux. It gave me great faith in the
system.
So I guess my conclusion from this is that I am probably being picky.
Saludos
Will
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Field
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 09:50
Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull[Scanned]
You did remember to drill 2 holes I assume, one to let the air out when
you
injected the Redux ......
We have injected redux with a syringe into similar voids that occurred
when
gluing in the windows with success. Messy job but it works.
When you glue the windows in make sure you have plenty of Redux on the
recess and mask the window with tape. Voids in the window recesses are
much
worse to deal with than voids in the cockpit module.
Peter Field
kit 566 flying at last!
_____
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 09 January 2008 14:04
Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull[Scanned]
Bob
Thanks happy new year.
I did all of that which is how I found the voids=85but buggered if I
could do
anything with injecting even though I started with a very small drill
one
hole and working up through 1/8 to 3/16 for the other.
I have no idea why this should be so. Maybe I am doing something wrong
probably being thick.
I think also that I am being =93picky=94 nevertheless I feel more
comfortable
with a complete bond. I don=92t see why a lay up joint should not be
as
strong or stronger than a redux joint. Logically the redux joins a
fiberglass structure and therefore the structure is only as strong as
its
weakest link which I am assuming is the (peel) strength of the
fiberglass
because when you test redux the fiberglass tends to fail before the
redux.
So a fiberglass to fiberglass bond should be as strong as a
fiberglass/redux/fiberglass bond.
I hope=85
Will
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:19
Subject: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Hi! Will
Sorry to have missed this sissue before now becxause what I have to say
is
too late,..... "had you held a strong light behind the two reduxed
surfaces
you would have seen the voids to attend to them prior to curing. I'm
surprised you can't inject with a liquid redux mix .
If you have removed the flanges you must do a good job with the scuff
sanding to do lay ups against.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Happy New Year!
----Original Message----
From: wdaniell@etb.net.co
Subj: RE: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Bob
Quite right this is exactly what is happening in some places - but not
in
others. I tried injecting but could not make it work. Became seriously
frustrated (know the feeling?)'.
So I ground down one and found that the voids are actually bubbles in
the
redux. So I ground down the rest of the flange and was glad that I did
' a
number of voids. Not I think enough to imperil the structure but enough
to
upset me.
So what I am left with is the rearmost flange ground down to the skin.
I
am going to do I do a staggered 3 ply lay up along the rear flange onto
the
hull.
Any thoughts on this anyone?
Another question is why this happened. If I were gluing in the cockpit
module again
1. I would use =BC bolts at the key places especially at the
firewall
lower bottom
2. I would support the hull in a webbing sling so that the hull
could
conform to the cockpit module (I made a cradle based on the profile of
the
cockpit module) which it must be admitted is roughly what the europa
cradle
suggests
Will
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Laptop JR
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 17:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
William
could it be that there appears to be no adhesive where the module and
the
fuselage are actually touching, well almost touching? and that where
there
is a gap filled, there is enough to black out any transparency?
That is what I thought happened with mine so long ago.
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:20 AM
Subject: Europa-List: bonding cockpit module to hull
Can anyone help with this?
I have a number of (what appear to be) voids in the adhesive bonding the
cockpit module to the outer skin especially in the two aft joints '
(the one
at the rear face of the fuel tank and the one aft of that).
I have tried injecting redux but I can=92t seem to make that work=85any
hints?
The option I thought of was to grind the whole flange down to the skin
and
then re-construct the join with a bid +/- 45 lay up.
Any ideas? Anyone resolve the same issue?
Thanks
Will
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| Subject: | Re: next antenna problem |
Paul, At the Glos strut last night the EC rep said that the CAA are having
serious second thoughts about the mode S introduction rules, and that there
is the likelihood that those with existing mode C will be allowed to carry
on flying outside high grade airspace for some years to come. There was also
thought to be the possibility of similar 'grandfather rights ' being
extended to those builders who have already bought a mode C transponder. The
downside is that you might not be able to fly to a number of European
countries. When I got my Garmin 328 mode S, I was told it could simply use
my existing aerial.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: Europa-List: next antenna problem
>
> As I understand it, the CAA is making my Microair mode a/c
> transponder redundant before it's had chance to fly. Can anyone tell
> me if a mode S transponder antenna would be the same - we have the
> microair stub antenna mounted on a silvered 'CD size' ground pane.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> G-GIDY (dipole now mended)
>
>
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As far as I understand Mode S operation it uses the same frequencies
and so the same antenna should suffice.
Alan
Quoting Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>:
>
> As I understand it, the CAA is making my Microair mode a/c transponder
> redundant before it's had chance to fly. Can anyone tell me if a mode S
> transponder antenna would be the same - we have the microair stub
> antenna mounted on a silvered 'CD size' ground pane.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> G-GIDY (dipole now mended)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Upcoming Sun N Fun 2008 |
I'll be there too!
Thursday - Sunday
Probably Commercial flight on Southworst ($99 each way is hard to refuse).
I am still cleaning chlorophyll off my prop from my last flight to SnF two
years ago when they failed to mow the tall grass in the homebuilt parking
area.
Should we plan an owners seminar spot and follow up with the
traditional "Engineering" dinner at Hooters?
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Europa attending Sun n Fun |
To all,
Yes it is time for Sun 'n Fun again and John Wheeler and I will be
hosting a booth just down from where it was last year. (Don't ask me
the spot because I can't find my paperwork under all the tax stuff right
now.) John, and perhaps a small UK contingent, will be staying for the
entire show... With the Company move and my new website construction we
haven't gotten the word out formally on our websites, so consider this
the official word.
Right now it looks like Jerry hope may have his aircraft ready by then
and I will have mine also.
Hope to see you all down here in sunny Florida. (It's 76F today so
bring sun screen.)
Bud Yerly,
Custom Flight Creations
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