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1. 02:22 AM - DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon (Paddy Clarke)
2. 03:41 AM - IMC rating (Steve Pitt)
3. 03:42 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon (William Harrison)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: IMC rating (Pete Lawless)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: IMC rating (david park)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon (Robert C Harrison)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: IMC rating (rampil)
8. 10:26 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon (Trevpond@aol.com)
9. 10:37 AM - Engine Bay wiring (Fergus Kyle)
10. 10:42 AM - Re: IMC rating (Alan)
11. 10:55 AM - Re: Engine Bay wiring (Gilles Thesee)
12. 11:03 AM - Re: Engine Bay wiring (rampil)
13. 11:28 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon (Pete Lawless)
14. 12:01 PM - Rotax 912ULS: Hottest cylinder? (Europa (Alfred Buess))
15. 12:42 PM - Re: Rotax 912ULS: Hottest cylinder? (josok)
16. 12:51 PM - Re: Engine Bay wiring (josok)
17. 01:01 PM - Liberty plans Rotax 914 version (rampil)
18. 01:27 PM - FW: Wally's Wedding Night (Robert C Harrison)
19. 03:00 PM - Re: IMC rating (Bob Hitchcock)
20. 07:05 PM - Re: Engine Bay wiring (europa flugzeug fabrik)
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| Subject: | DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon |
Hi Folks,
Now that the deluge has eased, my field should be usable tomorrow
( Friday 25th ), so how about a DOTH?. Looking at what is available
fairly centrally, with a hard runway and good food, that old favorite
Shobdon looks good. ( I looked at North Weald, but the forecast
strong westerly could be a bit challenging ). Voucher in Pilot -
1200ish as usual.
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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A question please to the UK members. What role does the IMC rating play in
your flying of your Europa? How many members/flyers have the rating and use
it with their Europa? If you want to contact me off list I am happy to
receive the feedback.
Reason for asking - I had an IMC several years ago and let it lapse. I am
led to belive that I could use it again with my Europa but before setting
out on retraining I thought I would garner practical experience.
Thank you
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon |
Hi Paddy
'NY is in a pile of pieces, finally getting its rewire and new panel,
so no DOTHs for me until the Spring. Have a good one
Cheers
Willie
On 24 Jan 2008, at 10:18, Paddy Clarke wrote:
> <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi Folks,
> Now that the deluge has eased, my field should be usable tomorrow
> ( Friday 25th ), so how about a DOTH?. Looking at what is available
> fairly centrally, with a hard runway and good food, that old
> favorite Shobdon looks good. ( I looked at North Weald, but the
> forecast strong westerly could be a bit challenging ). Voucher in
> Pilot - 1200ish as usual.
> Cheers, Paddy
>
>
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
>
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Non what so ever, PFA Permit aeroplanes are VFR only.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt
Sent: 24 January 2008 11:36
Subject: Europa-List: IMC rating
A question please to the UK members. What role does the IMC rating play in
your flying of your Europa? How many members/flyers have the rating and use
it with their Europa? If you want to contact me off list I am happy to
receive the feedback.
Reason for asking - I had an IMC several years ago and let it lapse. I am
led to belive that I could use it again with my Europa but before setting
out on retraining I thought I would garner practical experience.
Thank you
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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Practice VFR/VMC Day with a PPL observer!!
Dave
> From: pete@lawless.info> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Euro
pa-List: IMC rating> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:27:55 +0000> > --> Europa-Li
st message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>> > Non what so eve
r, PFA Permit aeroplanes are VFR only.> > -----Original Message-----> From:
owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt> Sent: 24 January 2008 11:36> To: eur
opa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: IMC rating> > --> Europa-List
message posted by: "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>> > A question
please to the UK members. What role does the IMC rating play in > your flyi
ng of your Europa? How many members/flyers have the rating and use > it wit
h their Europa? If you want to contact me off list I am happy to > receive
the feedback.> Reason for asking - I had an IMC several years ago and let i
t lapse. I am > led to belive that I could use it again with my Europa but
before setting > out on retraining I thought I would garner practical exper
ience.> Thank you> Steve Pitt> G-SMDH > > > > > > > > -- > This message has
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| Subject: | DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon |
Sorry but can't make it Paddy . Too busy loading "dirt"!
Bob H G-PTAG
Do not archive.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
Clarke
Sent: 24 January 2008 10:18
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon
<paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi Folks,
Now that the deluge has eased, my field should be usable tomorrow
( Friday 25th ), so how about a DOTH?. Looking at what is available
fairly centrally, with a hard runway and good food, that old favorite
Shobdon looks good. ( I looked at North Weald, but the forecast
strong westerly could be a bit challenging ). Voucher in Pilot -
1200ish as usual.
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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The more general observation is that the Europa is fine as an IFR
platform. I hand flew from New York to Lakeland, FL for SnF 2005 totally
IFR, either under the hood or in IMC. I have roll trim in addition to pitch.
Did not feel the need for the autopilot at all. This is in contrast to my
limited experience in RV 6-8s which are quite fun but more twitch I
think in pitch without an autopilot.
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon |
Hi Paddy,
Hopefully my runway will be usable tomorrow and if it is I shall see you
there.
kind regards
Trev
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| Subject: | Engine Bay wiring |
Cheers,
To save complexity (?), I bought 6 x #22 cable to satisfy the number
of sensor needs from the engine to the instrum panel and proceeded to hook
up the requisite items.
A flash from the ether told me that perhaps the cable would not
survive the heat experienced in various upper reaches of the engine bay -
which, if memory serves (heh,heh) ranges up to about 200deg Fahrenheit I
hope on a long taxying-in.
If any one has corrections to the above I'd appreciate it.
I then searched the cable and found "60C" which I think means its
max temp parameter, so I put a sample in the toaster-oven and set 100degC.
Ten minutes later, I vented the kitchen to the -10degC outdoors, set
the oven fan to max and in about 30 minutes had hidden the smoke from my
shortly-returning spouse - and then extricated the tiny black worm from the
pie pan [I intend to replace].
The kitchen was warm before she came in.
I can find a replacement for the cable which says "90C". Can I use
this for the Europa purpose outlined above? I can't find the FAA criteria
under the usual terms.
Your good offices in this touchy matter are greatfully accepted.
Happy landings,
Ferg (smoky)
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Question I have is this:
VFR flight does not require in sight of surface.
The vanilla UK PPL restricts pilots to 'Insight of Surface' in other
words you cannot climb in VMC through a hole on top of cloud, remain
above cloud out of sight of the surface and then come down through a
hole in the cloud remaining VMC.
The IMC rating removes this restriction from the UK PPL Licence.
Therefore with no IMC a UK PPL is restricted at all time to insight of
surface - correct?
AlanB
#303
Steve Pitt wrote:
> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> A question please to the UK members. What role does the IMC rating
> play in your flying of your Europa? How many members/flyers have the
> rating and use it with their Europa? If you want to contact me off
> list I am happy to receive the feedback.
> Reason for asking - I had an IMC several years ago and let it lapse. I
> am led to belive that I could use it again with my Europa but before
> setting out on retraining I thought I would garner practical experience.
> Thank you
> Steve Pitt
> G-SMDH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Bay wiring |
Fergus Kyle a crit :
> I can find a replacement for the cable which says "90C".
Ferg,
If you happen to use a 914 engine, remember that *much* heat is
generated under the cowl.
Even with a correctlly cowled non-turbo engine, temperatures well in
excess of 100 C can be reached at some places. By "correctly cowled "I
mean "tightly cowled", as should be any slick aircraft engine.
I personnally would not use anything but Tefzel in the engine bay. Max
temperature is 150 C. As the different sensors are in different places,
no problem with neatly bundling up the individual wires from the engine
up to the firewall. Do not use ordinary Ti-wraps, though.
Best regards,
--
Gilles Thesee
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Bay wiring |
Hi Ferg,
This is what they make Tefzel and its more recent cousins for.
A great place for aerospace wire is http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/
A great place to visit!! Their website does not display wire well,
but they have loads of stock, nearly anything you might require,
and ... at 5-10 cents on the dollar retail!
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| Subject: | DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon |
Weather (ie Kemble's xwind) permitting see you there
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Clarke
Sent: 24 January 2008 10:18
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 25th - Shobdon
Hi Folks,
Now that the deluge has eased, my field should be usable tomorrow
( Friday 25th ), so how about a DOTH?. Looking at what is available
fairly centrally, with a hard runway and good food, that old favorite
Shobdon looks good. ( I looked at North Weald, but the forecast
strong westerly could be a bit challenging ). Voucher in Pilot -
1200ish as usual.
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Rotax 912ULS: Hottest cylinder? |
List experience:
I am about to install T-probes to my Rotax 912ULS with Rotax cooling air
baffle installed (Europa XS cowling). With my RMI Engine Monitor I can
install one EGT and one CHT probe. I heard that in general cylinder 3 has
higher CHT values than cylinder 2 (as Rotax people know you can only choose
between these 2 cylinders). Is this a general experience? Is it recommended
to install the EGT probe at the same cylinder as the CHT probe? All answers
based on experience welcome!
Thanks,
Alfred
Alfred Buess, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912ULS: Hottest cylinder? |
Hi Alfred,
Correct, number 3 is the hottest, then 4. Both on CHT and EGT. At least on my 914.
I would pick another cylinder for the EGT probe, because your chance of catching
something in time will better.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Bay wiring |
Hi Ferg,
Out of interest i added a temp sensor in the cable form on top of the engine. This
is a 914 with shroud. All gillls closed. Normally this sensor indicates about
40 C max, during taxi as well as flight. Only after the engine has been shut
down, the temperature goes higher. Opening the inspection covers helps. Next
thing to try in Summer is to cover the standard eyes in front of the cowling.
They would make nice places for lights. Second thought is, that i would never
accept anything but aircraft grade wiring, not even in other places as under
the cowling.
Regards,
Jos
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| Subject: | Liberty plans Rotax 914 version |
So, they are finally coming to their senses!
Turbo engine will come with cabin oxygen supply
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| Subject: | FW: Wally's Wedding Night |
Wally's Wedding Night
At 85 years of age, Wally married Anne, a lovely 25 year old.
Since her new husband is so old, Anne decides that after their wedding
she
and Wally should have separate bedrooms, because she is concerned that
her
new but aged husband may overexert himself if they spend the entire
night
together.
After the wedding festivities Anne prepares herself for bed and the
expected
'knock' on the door.
Sure enough the knock comes, the door opens and there is Wally, her 85
year
old groom, ready for action.
They unite as one.
All goes well, Wally takes leave of his bride, and she prepares to go to
sleep.
After a few minutes, Anne hears another knock on her bedroom door, and
it's
Wally.
Again he is ready for more 'action.'
Somewhat surprised, Anne consents for more coupling.
When the newlyweds are done, Wally kisses his bride, bids her a fond
goodnight and leaves.
She is set to go to sleep again, but, aha you guessed it..... Wally is
back
again, rapping on the door, and is as fresh as a 25-year-old, ready for
more
'action.'
And, once again they enjoy each other.
But as Wally gets set to leave again, his young bride says to him, 'I am
thoroughly impressed that at your age you can perform so well and so
often.
I have been with guys less than a third of your age who were only good
once.
You are truly a great lover, Wally.'
Wally, somewhat embarrassed, turns to Anne and says: .......'You mean I
was
here already?'
The moral of the story:
Don't be afraid of getting old, senior moments have advantages.
_____
_____
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Yes. That's how it stands currently. The words have subtly changed over the
years but the rule no is:
No IMC rating: Then remain in sight of the ground at all
times
Remember that to exercise the privileges of the rating you must be in a
suitably equipped and approved aircraft. Have the appropriate kit in my
Europa and the IMC rating, however as the aircraft is on a LAA Permit it
disqualifies itself as a suitably equipped and licenced aircraft.
In my view the UK IMC rating is a beautiful qualification that should
remain. Some of the latest news from the current debates is now more
encouraging in that the European authorities will allow the UK IMC rating to
remain for another 4 years, at least, (Meantime we persuade our European
brothers to move in our direction).
Please sign the petition to keep the IMC rating. One day skills gained by
training for the qualification by just make the difference between a happy
flight and an unhappy one
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IMC-Rating/
Bob Hitchcock
G-BWON
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: IMC rating
>
> Question I have is this:
>
> VFR flight does not require in sight of surface.
>
> The vanilla UK PPL restricts pilots to 'Insight of Surface' in other words
> you cannot climb in VMC through a hole on top of cloud, remain above cloud
> out of sight of the surface and then come down through a hole in the cloud
> remaining VMC.
>
> The IMC rating removes this restriction from the UK PPL Licence.
>
> Therefore with no IMC a UK PPL is restricted at all time to insight of
> surface - correct?
>
> AlanB
> #303
>
> Steve Pitt wrote:
>> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>>
>> A question please to the UK members. What role does the IMC rating play
>> in your flying of your Europa? How many members/flyers have the rating
>> and use it with their Europa? If you want to contact me off list I am
>> happy to receive the feedback.
>> Reason for asking - I had an IMC several years ago and let it lapse. I am
>> led to belive that I could use it again with my Europa but before setting
>> out on retraining I thought I would garner practical experience.
>> Thank you
>> Steve Pitt
>> G-SMDH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Bay wiring |
Ferg, why y'all usin' #22 wire in a vibrating environment? Without special care
in terminating the wires, they can eventually fracture. I don't think I've
seen a production A/C with #22. They use #20 for small currents, no matter how
small.
Fred F.
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