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1. 01:19 AM - Re: Torque tube lubrication (JonSmith)
2. 03:12 AM - Cracking around the hinge (Peter Field)
3. 03:16 AM - 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt (William Harrison)
4. 04:09 AM - Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt (trevpond@aol.com)
5. 04:12 AM - Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt (josok)
6. 04:22 AM - Re: bowden cables, sliders (josok)
7. 05:47 AM - Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt (William Harrison)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt (rick)
10. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Epoxy Measuring - Balances vs Digital Scale vs Ratio Pump (Jeff B)
11. 07:35 AM - Digital scales Vs. balance vs. resin pumps (Fergus Kyle)
12. 09:53 AM - Re: Cracking around the hinge (JonSmith)
13. 11:24 AM - Re: bowden cables, sliders (Raimo Toivio)
14. 01:57 PM - Don Dykins & Coffin corner (Fergus Kyle)
15. 02:06 PM - Torque settings (Peter Rees)
16. 09:15 PM - Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
17. 11:04 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
18. 11:04 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Torque tube lubrication |
Thank you very much for your replies, Carl and Ferg. Much appreciated. Oil it
is then!
Cheers, Jon
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| Subject: | Cracking around the hinge |
Does anybody know which issue of the Europa flier magazine deals with
repair schemes for cracks around hinge attachment points. Andy Draper
tells me it is covered in one of the issues but he does not recall which
one. Help please.
Peter Field
Kit 566
5 hours flown, applying for permit (yipee!)
5 long years of building.
Many more years of flying ....
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| Subject: | 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt |
Hi folks
What experience does anyone have of 2 1/4 inch ASI and Altimeters
suitable for EFIS backup?
Thanks in advance
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY
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| Subject: | Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt |
Hi Willie,
I have both in my aircraft (G-LINN), in fact I seem to remember you took a photo!
My EFIS has not been the most reliable part of the aeroplane, in fact it's been
out of the aeroplane and back to the States 4 times.??Both myself and the?factory
got so fed up that they?recently sent me a new upgraded unit.
I am so glad that I had a full set of 2 1/4 flying instruments and these have enabled
me to carry on flying whilst the EFIS has been away.? All of my instruments
are Winter, bought from RD Aviation and I have never had a problem with them.
regards
Trev Pond
-----Original Message-----
From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:12
Subject: Europa-List: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt
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Hi folks?
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What experience does anyone have of 2 1/4 inch ASI and Altimeters suitable for
EFIS backup??
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Thanks in advance?
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Willie Harrison?
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G-BZNY?
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| Subject: | Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt |
Hi Willie,
When i built the panel, i was looking around, and they were far more expensive.
But that's old knowledge. Managed to squeeze normal size a ASI and ALT together
with 2 two and a quarter inch fuel level and diff pressure and the Dynon D180
into the mono panel. So it IS possible :-)
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Instument-panel&id=IMG_0078&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php
is a picture of the panel.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: bowden cables, sliders |
Thanks Bud and Jeff,
How stupid one can be: "Choke cable" did wake me up. The choke cable as supplied
by the factory with the engine installation kit is just what i was looking for.
And unexpectedly inexpensive as well! Just change the label, and make some
attachment points.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt |
Just saw it was Winter, not Witter - sorry for misunderstanding...
On 1 Feb 2008, at 12:05, trevpond@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Willie,
>
> I have both in my aircraft (G-LINN), in fact I seem to remember you
> took a photo!
>
> My EFIS has not been the most reliable part of the aeroplane, in
> fact it's been out of the aeroplane and back to the States 4
> times. Both myself and the factory got so fed up that they
> recently sent me a new upgraded unit.
>
> I am so glad that I had a full set of 2 1/4 flying instruments and
> these have enabled me to carry on flying whilst the EFIS has been
> away. All of my instruments are Winter, bought from RD Aviation
> and I have never had a problem with them.
>
> regards
>
>
> Trev Pond
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:12
> Subject: Europa-List: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt
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> <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
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> Hi folks
>
> What experience does anyone have of 2 1/4 inch ASI and Altimeters
> suitable for EFIS backup?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Willie Harrison
>
> G-BZNY
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| Subject: | Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt |
Willie-
I used 2 1/4 UMA directly from Aircraft Spruce. I have tach, ASI, and fuel gauges.
The Garmin 396 is backup for altitude and ASI. If you have a GPS, it may
back up several of your EFIS functions, obviating the need for steam gauges.
The 396 has battery backup so is an excellent backup. Can't say how it will
all work yet because it is still under construction.
Jim Puglise A-296.
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From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
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> Hi folks
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> What experience does anyone have of 2 1/4 inch ASI and Altimeters
> suitable for EFIS backup?
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> Thanks in advance
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> Willie Harrison
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> G-BZNY
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<DIV>I used 2 1/4 UMA directly from Aircraft Spruce. I have tach, ASI, and
fuel gauges. The Garmin 396 is backup for altitude and ASI. If you
have a GPS, it may back up several of your EFIS functions, obviating the need
for steam gauges. The 396 has battery backup so is an excellent backup.
Can't say how it will all work yet because it is still under construction.</DIV>
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| Subject: | 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt |
Hi Willie
Long time no see!!
I put 2 1/4 into my RV7A at Cambridge and don't ever remember looking at
them. The twin GRT EFIS are just the bees knees.
Regards
Rick
G-RIKS
G-RMRV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Harrison
Sent: 01 February 2008 11:13
Subject: Europa-List: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt
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Hi folks
What experience does anyone have of 2 1/4 inch ASI and Altimeters suitable
for EFIS backup?
Thanks in advance
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY
09:59
09:59
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy Measuring - Balances vs Digital Scale vs Ratio |
Pump
Roger,
Congrats on your decision to build the Europa, now let's get that plane
in the air... :)
Jeff - Baby Blue
363 hrs
Roger Lowe wrote:
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> Thanks for the overwhelming response to my query. From the response the majority
of you have used or are using a digital scale, so I will most likely go that
route. I really appreciate the extra time and effort for the responses you
gave as to the use of each apparatus and especially the digital scale. Looks
like I don't have to spend as much money as I thought. Very very helpful!
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> On a final note, I've sort of been lurking in the background in this user group
for a while now, trying to learn all I can before I take the first stab at
making the "wheel chock", I have to say that I'm always amazed at the wealth of
knowledge and experience that exists here. Much better than a text book!
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| Subject: | Digital scales Vs. balance vs. resin pumps |
Just as an aside, I used the digital scales which permitted me
errors up to less than 1% all of the time and generally less than 0.1% most
of the time.
Aside from large (cup-sized) mixes requiring quick application in
quantity, I used the Kodak style 35mm film containers available as
throw-aways at the photo shop. Besides giving me constant tare weights, they
were ideal for small to medium mixes and proved the mix had hardened where
applied, and produced samples of each application should the inspector want
samples.
Because of their material, they could be pried out when cured and
used again. Almost exclusively, they weighted 4.2g.
Cheers,
Ferg
914 mono CS prop
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| Subject: | Re: Cracking around the hinge |
Hi Peter, The factory newsletter number 19 has a reference to this in the tech
talk (towards the end of the newsletter) and discusses the remedy of adding a
couple of layers of bid. Maybe more elsewhere of course!
Cheers, Jon
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| Subject: | Re: bowden cables, sliders |
Hi Jos
I used three "choke type cables"
and they really do their job very well.
I attached them to be just over the
copilot=B4s knees and they are *just* within
the reach of the seatbelted pilot too.
First is for heating (labeled "heat pull on"),
second is for cooling (labeled "cool push on") and
third is for selecting between windshield and legs
(labeled "defrost pull on").
So if they all are pulled I get max heat for the windshield
and if they all are pushed I get max cooling for the legs.
That is easy to remember - all the other configurations
are still available - adjustments are portable of course.
Normally they all are about "between" to get some heat
and some fresh air to the legs and to the windshield also.
Still far away from automatic A/C which we have used to
have in our cars.
Wishes, Raimo
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417
The Experimental of The Year 2007
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: bowden cables, sliders
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> Thanks Bud and Jeff,
>
> How stupid one can be: "Choke cable" did wake me up. The choke cable
as supplied by the factory with the engine installation kit is just what
i was looking for. And unexpectedly inexpensive as well! Just change the
label, and make some attachment points.
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| Subject: | Don Dykins & Coffin corner |
Cheers,
I just wanted to send an example of coffin corner, which might make
the topic clearer:
The deHav 100 Vampire Mk.III had a critical Mach number of 0.78M (without
drop tanks) - not bad for a wooden aircraft with 3000 Lb thrust -
It stalls (half empty) at about 95 knots indicated.
Depending on the temp, that speed is about 220 knots true at 48000 feet.
Also depending on temp, that's pretty close to 0.78M.
Go a bit slower, stall clean.
Go a bit faster, tuck under and see earth straight down.
To escape the 'corner', drop the speed brakes - basically an 'indicated'
function - descend at 100 knots to thicker air.
We were told not to do this too often as pressure breathing is needed above
about 35,000 and some of that the Vampire didn't have any of.
I am told some models of the Venom were powerful enough to go much higher
but then couldn't get back down because thye were in too thin air and could
run out of O2 before they brakes took effect - solution - spin down to
thicker air. Trouble was, if there was a traumatic temp change at the
tropopause, a wing came off. Don't know if this was so........
Ferg
A064 mono 914 CS prop
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Nice easy one - anyone know where I can find the torque settings for the
bolts that join the 912 to the Europa Classic engine frame? Also, need the
torque setting for the bolts that join the engine frame to the engine
mountings for the classic.
Thanks in anticipation
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: 2 1/4 inch ASI and Alt |
Willie,
Still building, but this is my panel so far. But use the Dynon EFIS D-100,
with it's internal battery back-up, as the main instrument, with the four 2
1/4" back-ups below. AOA to the right of the Dynon. The two quad gauges to the
left now have a three position rotary switch so I can monitor all six
cylinder temps. The only change so far is that I have replaced the redundant
tachometer with a GT-50 from ACS. Though primarily for a G-meter, it is wired
to my
Emergency buss so that it's voltage reading will be my "Fuel guage" in the
event of a alternator failure.
My right side panel has my circuit breakers, transponder, Nav/Comm, and a
Garmin 296 GPS. The GPS also has it's own internal backup battery.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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