---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/09/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:34 AM - Re: GPS antennae sitingGPS antennae sitingGPS antennae siting (Richard Lamprey) 2. 08:34 AM - europa cabin heater/ventilation (fraser221) 3. 10:48 AM - Re: europa cabin heater/ventilation (josok) 4. 11:19 AM - 914 turbo questions (josok) 5. 12:14 PM - Re: europa cabin heater/ventilation (Paul McAllister) 6. 05:07 PM - Info on a past crash? (Peter Zutrauen) 7. 06:38 PM - 2 inch rubber hose (Martin Tuck) 8. 07:47 PM - Re: 2 inch rubber hose (rampil) 9. 08:16 PM - Re: Info on a past crash? (craig bastin) 10. 08:24 PM - Re: 2 inch rubber hose (craig bastin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:17 AM PST US From: "Richard Lamprey" Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS antennae sitingGPS antennae sitingGPS antennae siting Regarding loss of signal... there seem to be 'GPS deadspots' on the earth's surface, where the alignment of satellites never seems to deliver the right signal. We have one here in East Africa, the north-eastern corner of Lake Victoria (worlds largest inland lake). Each time I transition through this zone from Nairobi, Kenya, to Entebbe, Uganda, in Europa 5Y-LRY, (as I did yesterday), the GPS signal is lost for about 40 nm along track (often ALL bars!), then its back again 20 minutes later along track. Same place, any time of day (not sure about nighttime) or day of week! GPS is Garmin Pilot III. Can anyone explain that? Best to all, Richard ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:15 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: europa cabin heater/ventilation From: "fraser221" has anyone designed a cabin heater / ventilation system? Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:19 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: europa cabin heater/ventilation From: "josok" Yes, did just that before i cracked my door. Heating seems to work fine, but no flight testing done. Some pictures are at http://www.europaowners.org/kit600. Let me know if you need further explanation. Mind you, instead of an oil cooler i have an oil/water heat exchanger, so if you copy, copy carefully :-) Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 914 turbo questions From: "josok" Careful, long and complicated story. Dive in it on your own risk. The general understanding, or at least my limited knowledge, seems to be that the turbo only starts charging over 100%. However, i had a problem earlier in the week. Outside temperature was -15 C and the plane had been washed in the warm workshop. Started the engine after about 10 minutes outside, and waited for the oil to be 50 C. All indications were normal. Then i put in more power, and noticed that the second half of the throttle control did not do anything. The engine would not run faster then 35400-3600 rpm. Stopped the engine and took the cowlings of to check that the throttle levers on the carbs were operational. They were. Back in the workshop i checked about everything i could think of. Found nothing. Noticed that the TCU opens the waste until half throttle, and closes it again when moving the lever to full throttle. This on a non running engine. Had a look at the log in the TCU and noticed that the waste gate had been doing the same with the engine running. Yesterday took the plane out again, and had another run. OAT -5C. Now full revs could be reached, problem gone. The TCU log now showed up to full waste gate opening, and opening already started at 3600 rpm. Interesting was, that closing the throttle a bit from high revs, opens the waste-gate further. Have a look at the attached log. I assume now that the intake side of the turbo had been frozen, so that the turbo would not run during the first attempts. Just a condensed, frozen droplet on the impeller is probably enough for that. During the heat up run, air at very low temperatures could keep the ice there, even if the other side of the turbo is hot. I also assume that if the pressure in the air box not rises if the waste gate opens, the TCU starts closing it again. Too much assumptions probably :-) Comments please! Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Attachments: http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/02081620_135.txt ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:48 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa cabin heater/ventilation Hi, Take a look at http://www.europa.net.nz/363/index.html .Go to the left side tab under flying experiences, expand it out and you will see a section on how I built my cabin heat. For ventilation I have two vents in the top of the windshield and two eyeball vents. It works pretty well, but if I was to do some more work in getting the air out of the cabin they would probably be 10x better. - You can see the eye ball vents under December 2002 - December 2003 has some photographs of the manifold I made to go on the fire wall to bring in air. There is a SS heat box on the other side - You can see a photo of the heat box under January 2004 - You can see the routing of the hoses in the instrument panel for the windshield vents and eye ball vents. I am sure that if you troll through my site you will find a few more photos. Cheers, Paul 708 hours and still grinning. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:41 PM PST US From: "Peter Zutrauen" Subject: Europa-List: Info on a past crash? I found this unfortunate slideshow of the aftermath of a crash on youtube. Anyone have any info on it? The registration on the plane is "19-3749" (odd) and the video's tag's elude to Australia sometime in 2007 at a "Hay" airfield. A quick search through the various accident investigation branches didn't turn up anything. It's a conventional-gear mod-ed Europa with a rotax turning a warp-drive. It looks survivable (I hope), but serious. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4yK4IP-JU4A Anyone? On a more pleasant note, it's great to see more recently added youtube Europa clips showing up - congrats on G-CHOX, I remember following their website progress many a month ago. Regards, Pete A239 still a bunch of parts. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:42 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Europa-List: 2 inch rubber hose Hi Folks, I noticed the 2 inch diameter hose connecting the carbs to the cold air plenum are showing signs of crazing. I found some standard plumbing hose the correct diameter and length but I'm not sure whether the carbs get hot enough that I really need to use some kind of heavier weight rubber tube. Where can I find some suitable hose? Any ideas the spec of the Europa supplied hose? Yes, I could get it from the factory but am sure that the poor dollar exchange rate and shipping costs will be a lot more than the actual rubber hose. Any suggestions? Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, KS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:14 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 2 inch rubber hose From: "rampil" Martin, Try Bud Yerly at Creative Flight. He is the North American Europa Dealer/Support guy. He stocks quite a bit of Europa supplies at the old FlightCrafters site in Seffner, FL. Since quite a bit of Europa hardware comes from the US to start with, only to get shipped back with fees, Bud may have local sources for factory spec supplies. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163238#163238 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:48 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Info on a past crash? Yes there is a town of HAY on the hay plains as it happens (no pun intended) the 19 prefix on the rego means it is registered as an ultralight and denotes it as home or amature built, if home built kit then 51% or the labour must be from the owner, or scratch built by the owner/designer. By the rego number it was registered early june 2002 but it has been removed from the rego list as 19-3750 was registered june 7 2002. Looks like it was dumped in from about 100ft, Interestingly it was only registered for single person ops, no seat or belts on LHS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2008 11:02 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Info on a past crash? I found this unfortunate slideshow of the aftermath of a crash on youtube. Anyone have any info on it? The registration on the plane is "19-3749" (odd) and the video's tag's elude to Australia sometime in 2007 at a "Hay" airfield. A quick search through the various accident investigation branches didn't turn up anything. It's a conventional-gear mod-ed Europa with a rotax turning a warp-drive. It looks survivable (I hope), but serious. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4yK4IP-JU4A Anyone? On a more pleasant note, it's great to see more recently added youtube Europa clips showing up - congrats on G-CHOX, I remember following their website progress many a month ago. Regards, Pete A239 still a bunch of parts. 11:54 AM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:06 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2 inch rubber hose Can i make a suggestion and say throw the rubber hose and go for two in brake duct hose instead. Its very light very flexible and designed for brake temps of what 300+ degrees. I ran it on off road race buggys for years with no problems at all. You should be able to get it at most auto shops. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Martin Tuck Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Europa-List: 2 inch rubber hose Hi Folks, I noticed the 2 inch diameter hose connecting the carbs to the cold air plenum are showing signs of crazing. I found some standard plumbing hose the correct diameter and length but I'm not sure whether the carbs get hot enough that I really need to use some kind of heavier weight rubber tube. Where can I find some suitable hose? Any ideas the spec of the Europa supplied hose? Yes, I could get it from the factory but am sure that the poor dollar exchange rate and shipping costs will be a lot more than the actual rubber hose. Any suggestions? Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, KS 11:54 AM 11:54 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.