---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/12/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:11 AM - Re: Hirth h30 engines (Richard Scanlan) 2. 11:14 AM - Re: Hirth h30 engines (Fred Klein) 3. 11:51 AM - Re: Hirth h30 engines (Jan de Jong) 4. 03:44 PM - Re: 914 alternator/regulator (ALAN YERLY) 5. 07:24 PM - Airmaster AP332 C/S Propeller for sale (Brian DeFord) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:13 AM PST US From: "Richard Scanlan" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hirth h30 engines Craig, If you're looking for an alternative to the Rotax, check out the UL260i. I nearly bought one having followed the project from the off. Direct drive and fuel injection. A friend down the road has one in his Escapade and it runs very well and quietly, the only problem is prop speed and at 2750 rpm it only hits 83Hp although this is accurate from dyno reading. Rotax tells us the 912s is 100Hp but I've never heard of anyone dyno testing one out of the crate............ -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin Sent: 11 February 2008 10:03 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Hirth h30 engines ok thats good to know -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Garry Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hirth h30 engines A friend of mine has installed this 110 hp Hirth on his plane. He has "blown up" three of the engines, all within 50 hours. Buyer beware. Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: Hirth h30 engines > > > Does anybody know if some one has looked at this engine for the europa. At > 42kg for 110hp > and $18000 Australian it would seem like an excellent choice. > > craig > 11:54 AM > > 12:21 PM 12:21 PM 08:16 08:16 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hirth h30 engines From: Fred Klein On Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008, at 10:07 US/Pacific, Richard Scanlan wrote: > If you're looking for an alternative to the Rotax, check out the > UL260i. All, Is anyone else considering the Gemini 100 or 125 turbo diesel? Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:15 AM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hirth h30 engines > Is anyone else considering the Gemini 100 or 125 turbo diesel? > > Fred > A194 Absolutely. Just awaiting their existence. Jan de Jong #461 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:49 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 alternator/regulator As with the others who have answered, and they are correct...Here are a couple more tidbits from some old questions I've answered befor: Quick and dirty for the Rotax mounted alternator/dynamo with external regulator: Your field wire (C on the regulator) should read battery voltage with the engine off. If it does not that's the problem. I have seen folks run the alternator warning light in series with the C lead to the bus. If the light bulb fails, you open the field circuit and kill the regulator. The light circuit must be independent of the C lead connection to your bus. Read the Rotax installation manual about the wiring requirements. Noting that the R and B+ leads (which are tied with the C lead, through the panel usually) are reading battery voltage not 13.8 volts. The regulator is not putting out. Check your 30 amp circuit breaker/fuse coming off the regulator. If all the above are good, it's the regulator. Solid state rectifier/regulators put out about 12 volts on the L circuit and as others have stated, the C circuit and R/B+ should read about 13.8. If the diodes in the regulator fail, your L circuit will put out a voltage which is about 1.3-1.8 volts less than your C circuit (same as your bus) and the fail light will still not alert you to a failure as it is a 12 volt bulb... Just like your car, the alternator light never comes on with this type failure, only the battery failure is your indicator unless you monitor your volts and amps. Rarely do the Rotax coils in the dynamo fail, It is most likely your regulator. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin siggery To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Europa-List: 914 alternator/regulator > Before we start the nightmare process of replacing the alternator on 914-powered G-ROOV could anyone point us towards possible other problems with the electrical system recently identified: Before start, master on, we see I=0 amps, V=11. Engine off, loaded I=-5, V=11. Engine running (essentials on) I=-4, V=11 Engine running (full electrical load) I=-5, V=11 Besides the fact we should be seeing 12V from the battery (we are charging it now) to my non-expert eye this would suggest alternator problems but strangely, the =91idiot light=92 is not illuminated which suggests that V (alternator) is greater than V(battery) i.e.: we do not have an alternator problem (unless the lamp has blown and we are being misguided). Alternatively if the regulator is shot one would expect to see V falling as a function of load (I think) but this is not the case...although we believe the Ducati regulator is not exactly the best on the market and prone to quite frequent failure. We are leaning towards simply swapping out the regulator at this stage. Any thoughts most welcome. thank you Kevin Siggery http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:45 PM PST US From: Brian DeFord Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster AP332 C/S Propeller for sale I have an Airmaster AP332 Propeller, 68" diameter with Warp Drive blades and a 10" spinner along with the AC200 SmartPitch system controller for sale. Both were installed on a Flight Design CTSW with a Rotax 912 for less that 50 hours before the owner sold the plane and took the prop/controller off. The price for this system NEW (excluding local taxes/duties) is: AP332 complete USD $5750.00 Freight (UPS) USD $290.00 (from New Zealand to US) This prop is located in Arizona. Looking for best offer - will make arrangements for shipping with offer. 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