---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/16/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:52 AM - Re: Fuel System - What should I add? (Steve Pitt) 2. 03:32 AM - Re: Fuel System - What should I add? (Flying Farmer) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Fuel System - What should I add? (Steve Hagar) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: Fuel System - What should I add? (josok) 5. 10:29 AM - Dynon Angle of Attack probe (William Harrison) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: Dynon Angle of Attack probe (rampil) 7. 05:57 PM - Re: Please ...attention Dan Bish.. (danbish) 8. 10:26 PM - Re: Re: Dynon Angle of Attack probe () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:36 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System - What should I add? I am surprised by the comments about the between the seats sight tube. I have had mine installed for 3 to 4 years although only been flying the aircraft for 1 1/2 years. In this time I have found it to be a useful gauge before and during flight, although you need to crane your neck to see in flight. Yes it has discoloured but with the 'barber pole' tape behind the tube the meniscus of the fuel is clear to see. I do not have a fuel flow meter, just a fuel sender in the main tank (official club mod) and by calculation and observation I have been quite clear as to what fuel I have in the aircraft. When returning from Switzerland last year we were getting low but were able to see when the sight gauge showed down to the saddle and we changed tanks to reserve before we got any fuel stutter. We still had at least 3/4 hour fuel when we landed. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System - What should I add? From: "Flying Farmer" I too am at the same stage as you Phil, and looking at different options. I do like Grahams Singletons Fuel mod. Which incorporates the fuel/water drains at the tank outlet. I would be interested to know if any UK LLA permit aircraft have used this method? Has any one had any problems with Ali hard line piping? Against using rubber tubing. Any picture would be helpful. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:45 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel System - What should I add? Dump the plastic fuel tank its too much a pain in the a_ _ to cut the plane apart to get it out if it cracks! Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ > [Original Message] > From: flyingphil2 > To: > Date: 2/15/2008 6:53:02 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel System - What should I add? > > > Hi, > > I'm moving on with my build and am now thinking about the fuel system. The tank and cockpit module are still out and so I have a blank canvas with regards to what I can do. > > I note that various mods are available for this namely: Mod 33 (Water Drain Valves), Mod 49 (Fuel Filter mod) and Mod 60 (Electric contents gauge). > > >From that list, Mod 49 sounds like a good idea as does Mod 33. What do people think about Mod 60?? I'm favouring the 'keep it simple' approach on this build and would think that the sight gauge is a nice simple idea. I've had a look at some previous comments on all this and it seems that maybe it isn't. > > Anyway, what fuel system mods do people think are necessary and why? > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System - What should I add? From: "josok" Graham's fuel mods, "versatube" alu lines and AN fittings. Andair fuel valve, with secured "off"position, andair gascolator, no in line filters. No gauze on the fuel tank outlets. Long range tank, all vents to he filler tube, one vent from the top of the filler ending behind the flap. One way valve as extra vent into the cockpit. Indicator tube between the seats. original supply, no discoloring. Capacitive fuel level sensor, which is checked to the 0-quarter-half 3quart and full positions on mogas. Switch to break the output of the 2nd fuel flow sensor, which gives the total throughput of the fuel system. So far, 51 hrs, happy. Problem was one bad flange n the versatube, leaking fuel. New flange,problem gone. Pictures on http://www.europaowners.org/kit600 fuel system. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:21 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Europa-List: Dynon Angle of Attack probe Hi Does anyone have experience of fitting a Dynon Angle of attack probe to a Europa, if so what was involved? In particular, the structural mounting and the arrangements for a static port? Does anyone know if the PFA/LAA have approved a mod for the Dynon probe? If not Dynon, what is the best bet for AOA measurement? Many thanks in advance. Willie Harrison - kit 401/G-BZNY ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:46 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dynon Angle of Attack probe From: "rampil" Hi Willie, The simple mechanical plans for the LRI (lift reserve indicator) are freely available on the web. I previously had mine attached to my Blue Mountain, but now have the usual mechanical gauge which I am mounting on my glareshield. Total of about $50 in parts -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164458#164458 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Please ...attention Dan Bish.. From: "danbish" Hi Bob, Sorry for the delay. I haven't been monitoring this site as my motherboard went out and just got it replaced. Also, been busy traveling for the new client so haven't been building much. What's up? Dan new email address is bdanbish@gmail.com Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Dynon Angle of Attack probe From: Hi Willie I am not flying as of yet but have plans to drive D-10A AOA with mutilated Europa/homegrown probe/s. Have a look in gallery A-265 under: Album: Homegrown AOA for Dynon D-10A. Plan "A", "B" and now "C / d". 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