---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/23/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... (Robert C Harrison) 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... (Rman) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... (R Holder) 4. 07:06 AM - Re: Monowheel Capture (Robert Borger) 5. 08:09 AM - Re: Monowheel Capture (europaman) 6. 09:22 AM - Finger Strainers (flyingphil2) 7. 10:04 AM - Re: Finger Strainers (josok) 8. 12:41 PM - Re: Finger Strainers (craig bastin) 9. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Finger Strainers (Robert C Harrison) 10. 02:13 PM - Re: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... (Robert C Harrison) 11. 02:46 PM - club dinner mentioned in loop (Rowland Carson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:14 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... Hi! All Any help /suggestions with a problem encountered renewing the brake linings? I have Europa supplied Aircraft Spruce Rapco brake linings supplied as a kit with the rivets, I also have the correct anvil and punch to install the linings on the back plates. Having split two linings I have examined all the parts and it would seem that the rivets are flat under the heads and the hole in the new pads is countersunk. The rivets are marked "4-4" and they don't seem long enough to exit the back of the plate to begin to "peen" over before "snugging" on to the new pad hence when more "peening" is applied the pad splits before the unchamfered rivet assumes a conical shape to match the chamfered hole in the new lining. To me it is quite obvious that the rivets should be chamfered under the heads then they just may be long enough to "PEEN" OVER BEHIND THE PLATE. Otherwise just supplying longer unchamfered rivets will still split the pads? Any one overcome this problem ? and how ? I'd be delighted to hear. Regards Bob Harrison. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:52 AM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... Bob, I'm not close to my brake supplies, but I believe the rivets should be 4-6 (or was it 4-8) At any rate, I had to purchase the rivets separately, as the ones supplied with the linings were too short. Once you have the proper rivets, the rest is a piece of cake. Jeff - Baby Blue 370 hrs Robert C Harrison wrote: > Hi! All > Any help /suggestions with a problem encountered renewing the brake linings? > I have Europa supplied Aircraft Spruce Rapco brake linings supplied as a kit > with the rivets, I also have the correct anvil and punch to install the > linings on the back plates. > Having split two linings I have examined all the parts and it would seem > that the rivets are flat under the heads and the hole in the new pads is > countersunk. > The rivets are marked "4-4" and they don't seem long enough to exit the > back of the plate to begin to "peen" over before "snugging" on to the new > pad hence when more "peening" is applied the pad splits before the > unchamfered rivet assumes a conical shape to match the chamfered hole in the > new lining. > To me it is quite obvious that the rivets should be chamfered under the > heads then they just may be long enough to "PEEN" OVER BEHIND THE PLATE. > Otherwise just supplying longer unchamfered rivets will still split the > pads? > Any one overcome this problem ? and how ? > I'd be delighted to hear. > Regards > Bob Harrison. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:03 AM PST US From: R Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... Rman wrote: > I'm not close to my brake supplies, but I believe the > rivets should be 4-6 (or was it 4-8) At any rate, I > had to purchase the rivets separately, as the ones > supplied with the linings were too short. Once you > have the proper rivets, the rest is a piece of cake. > > Jeff - Baby Blue 370 hrs Bob I can confirm you have to use the 4-6 rivets which ACS sell, and so do Europa. This is because the backplate is ali and is thicker. Steel backplates are thinner and use 4-4 rivets ! ACS also sell a rivet removal/replacing tool which is a screw fit and does not need the use of a hammer ! Richard Holder G-OWWW Classic Tri-Gear ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:50 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Capture Troy, I have posted a number of pics of my monowheel on the trailer. Unfortunately, the fuselage is all masked up for painting so you can't see the tire. Not much text yet, but some comments in the pics. Perhaps you can see what you needed. The pics are in my Trailer album. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complte. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Compled the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Feb 20, 2008, at 20:47, europaman wrote: > > Tom, > Yes, a picture or two here would be great. Maybe of the hinge area > and the LG frame contact area if your plane is on the trailer now. > Thanks. > Troy > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Capture From: "europaman" Thanks Bob for posting the pix. They are helpful. Now I've got more work to do. Troy Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Finger Strainers From: "flyingphil2" Hi, I'm soon going to be making my coarse finger fuel strainers and wondered if anyone had any comments on these or if they had made any changes. I've done a search and there's a few comments but nothing else. I'm assuming that everyone is pretty happy with them and if that's the case I'll go ahead and make and fit them. Thanks, Phil Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:08 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Finger Strainers From: "josok" Hi Phil, Sorry for the long story that follows :-) One of the messages mentioning finger strainers was from Bob Harrison. He had a forced landing once, because the strainers were blocked by debris and dog hair. At the time i read that message, i was sure there would not be any hair in my tank. However, a bit later i noticed a dog hair on the outside of the tank, still in the unmounted cockpit module. The dog had never been in the workshop. But the tank is so static, that it pulled the hair from my clothes. Carefully cleaning the tank, i collected quite a lot of everything, including a lot of lint, from the surface. That made me think about the usefulness of these strainers, since there would be gascolator downstream anyway. They will keep small pebbles and peas from blocking the fuel lines upstream of the gascolater, and will be blocked by anything like lint. I do not expect much peas entering the tank. Peas and pebbles are not static. Inspecting the finger restrainers on a regular bases is so difficult, that it will probably lead to no inspection ever. Hence there are no restrainers on my bird. But then i am not handicapped by PFA. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:48 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Strainers if you are going the solder option to make them, i wrapped mine around a piece of alloy tube to form them soldered them up, slid off the end of the tube about 6mm then just pushed it point first into the bench to just close the end up enough to solder that. very quick and easy, then you can redux them in right away craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2008 3:19 AM Subject: Europa-List: Finger Strainers Hi, I'm soon going to be making my coarse finger fuel strainers and wondered if anyone had any comments on these or if they had made any changes. I've done a search and there's a few comments but nothing else. I'm assuming that everyone is pretty happy with them and if that's the case I'll go ahead and make and fit them. Thanks, Phil Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org 6:39 PM 6:39 PM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:10 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Finger Strainers Hi! Phil /Jos Didn't see Phils original message however a piece of additional info of my experience with the gauze type finger strainer was twofold. a) the gauze actually traps any cloth fibres /long hairs and they dangle inside the strainer (LIKE IN A WASH BASIN OR Bath Plug hole) In my case simultaneously the trapped fibres suddenly plugged the exit holes in both the main tank and reserve. b) however my situation also highlighted another deficiency in that the hole drilled in the bottom of the strainers was insufficiently deep to provide a full intersection orifice with the continuing exit pipe of the connector. The aforementioned plug once sucked in just stopped all flow. What's more back blowing of the fuel doesn't rid you of the plug it merely puts the plug loose in the tubular gauze to do you a repeat first time you put full power on. IF you have the connector standing on the outflow pipe and tilted over off vertical you can drill out the intersection Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok Sent: 23 February 2008 17:59 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Finger Strainers Hi Phil, Sorry for the long story that follows :-) One of the messages mentioning finger strainers was from Bob Harrison. He had a forced landing once, because the strainers were blocked by debris and dog hair. At the time i read that message, i was sure there would not be any hair in my tank. However, a bit later i noticed a dog hair on the outside of the tank, still in the unmounted cockpit module. The dog had never been in the workshop. But the tank is so static, that it pulled the hair from my clothes. Carefully cleaning the tank, i collected quite a lot of everything, including a lot of lint, from the surface. That made me think about the usefulness of these strainers, since there would be gascolator downstream anyway. They will keep small pebbles and peas from blocking the fuel lines upstream of the gascolater, and will be blocked by anything like lint. I do not expect much peas entering the tank. Peas and pebbles are not static. Inspecting the finger restrainers on a regular bases is so difficult, that it will probably lead to no inspection ever. Hence there are no restrainers on my bird. But then i am not handicapped by PFA. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org -- 22/02/2008 18:39 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:47 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... Hi! Jeff and Richard Thanks for the quick responses, I was dumb to even try but not so dumb as Europa for sending the packs without the larger rivets anyway I spoke to Neville Eyre and he says he remembers that one Chris Gunnee (Spares man of yesteryear ) always had some of the longer rivets in his desk draw ! Not much damn good to me now! Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rman Sent: 23 February 2008 14:43 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Renewing Rapco trike brake linings...... Bob, I'm not close to my brake supplies, but I believe the rivets should be 4-6 (or was it 4-8) At any rate, I had to purchase the rivets separately, as the ones supplied with the linings were too short. Once you have the proper rivets, the rest is a piece of cake. Jeff - Baby Blue 370 hrs Robert C Harrison wrote: Hi! All Any help /suggestions with a problem encountered renewing the brake linings? I have Europa supplied Aircraft Spruce Rapco brake linings supplied as a kit with the rivets, I also have the correct anvil and punch to install the linings on the back plates. Having split two linings I have examined all the parts and it would seem that the rivets are flat under the heads and the hole in the new pads is countersunk. The rivets are marked "4-4" and they don't seem long enough to exit the back of the plate to begin to "peen" over before "snugging" on to the new pad hence when more "peening" is applied the pad splits before the unchamfered rivet assumes a conical shape to match the chamfered hole in the new lining. To me it is quite obvious that the rivets should be chamfered under the heads then they just may be long enough to "PEEN" OVER BEHIND THE PLATE. Otherwise just supplying longer unchamfered rivets will still split the pads? Any one overcome this problem ? and how ? I'd be delighted to hear. Regards Bob Harrison. _____ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:09 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: club dinner mentioned in loop For anyone who hasn't already noticed, the Europa Club dinner got a mention in the "clubs" section of Loop magazine this month. 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