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1. 02:46 AM - RUDDER CABLES (craig b)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (josok)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (ALAN YERLY)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (Karl Heindl)
5. 10:55 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (josok)
6. 10:56 AM - Monowheel Trailer Wanted (Mike Gamble)
7. 11:47 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (Karl Heindl)
8. 12:34 PM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (craig b)
9. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: RUDDER CABLES (Karl Heindl)
10. 09:50 PM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (Fred Klein)
11. 11:31 PM - Re: Re: RUDDER CABLES (Tim Ward)
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I am curious if any of you have used shrouded cables to get around the
need to
run the cables "straight" from front to back. After much work getting my
fuel system
set before bonding in the cockpit module in i now discover my reserve
pump is in the way for the rhs rudder cable. I can see that moving the
fuel pump and lines will now be
a royal pain given the very limited access and think changing the cables
for cables with an outer would be a better way to go.
craig
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| Subject: | Re: RUDDER CABLES |
Hi Craig,
There are a few things why i decided against shrouded cable.
Water ingress and freezing (at altitude) and difficult to inspect on a regular
bases. Is it not possible to use an extra pulley or so?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: RUDDER CABLES |
Craig,
I shroud all my cables from the front to just shy of the pulley and then
continue back to the ply supports for the luggage bay and again through
the rear bulkhead and out. I use good quality 1/4 inch OD Nylaflow
Nylon Tubing for plenty of clearance and no binding. You still should
de-conflict all tubing and wiring so there is no interference or
chaffing. With the Nylaflow tubing I don't have to worry about wire or
hoses interfering accidentally with cables during maneuvering or
vibration I did not anticipate. The Nylaflow gives you some leway to
adjust your cable routing. Use an Adel clamp to secure the Nylaflow to
keep your clearances. The same problem occurs when you mount the glider
wing handle in the cockpit. the handle pivot seems to go right through
the cable line.
Bud Yerly
custom Flight Creations
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From: craig b<mailto:craigb@onthenet.com.au>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:42 AM
Subject: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES
I am curious if any of you have used shrouded cables to get around the
need to
run the cables "straight" from front to back. After much work getting
my fuel system
set before bonding in the cockpit module in i now discover my reserve
pump is in the way for the rhs rudder cable. I can see that moving the
fuel pump and lines will now be
a royal pain given the very limited access and think changing the
cables for cables with an outer would be a better way to go.
craig
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Craig,
I did much the same. It is a perfect way to keep the cable safe and away fr
om other things like wiring. I used p-clips.
Pardon my ignorence, Jos, but what extreme situation would freeze up the r
udder cables ? Where does all that water
come from and how cold does it have to be to freeze ? I know it gets pretty
cold in Finland, but not that cold.
And if there is so much water in the cold air, wouldn't you have crashed a
long time ago with ice on the wings ?
Additional pulleys are more mechanics, which can go wrong.
I can see my cable runs from inside the cockpit, and I have never noticed a
ny moisture in the nylaflow tube.
Karl
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From: budyerly@msn.comTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Europa-List
: RUDDER CABLESDate: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:26:18 -0500
Craig,
I shroud all my cables from the front to just shy of the pulley and then co
ntinue back to the ply supports for the luggage bay and again through the r
ear bulkhead and out. I use good quality 1/4 inch OD Nylaflow Nylon Tubing
for plenty of clearance and no binding. You still should de-conflict all
tubing and wiring so there is no interference or chaffing. With the Nylafl
ow tubing I don't have to worry about wire or hoses interfering accidentall
y with cables during maneuvering or vibration I did not anticipate. The Ny
laflow gives you some leway to adjust your cable routing. Use an Adel clam
p to secure the Nylaflow to keep your clearances. The same problem occurs
when you mount the glider wing handle in the cockpit. the handle pivot see
ms to go right through the cable line.
Bud Yerly
custom Flight Creations
--- Original Message -----
From: craig b
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:42 AM
Subject: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES
I am curious if any of you have used shrouded cables to get around the need
to
run the cables "straight" from front to back. After much work getting my fu
el system
set before bonding in the cockpit module in i now discover my reserve pump
is in the way for the rhs rudder cable. I can see that moving the fuel pump
and lines will now be
a royal pain given the very limited access and think changing the cables fo
r cables with an outer would be a better way to go.
craig
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| Subject: | Re: RUDDER CABLES |
Hi Carl,
Water comes from rain, splashes around in the wheel well, and freezes at about
0 C. Here in Finland at least. Temperature drops here, as everywhere else in standard
air with 2 C per 1000 ft. Not so very difficult to reach freezing temperatures,
even on a nice warm summer day. Water will collect over time, in any
lower spot. You don't need much of it, to lock up completely when turned into
ice. I once had a frozen throttle cable on a snowmobile at close to full throttle
,and that cable was pretty good, but not good enough protected against water
ingress. It was a pretty hairy, and very impressive demonstration of what
a droplet of iced water can do. According to Murphy, if it will happen, it will
happen in a situation where it can do most damage. Oh, i do have shrouds at
the in- out fuselage transition at the rear near the rudder. But that piece is
sloping down from the dry inside.
Everybody of course can do what he likes when diverting from factory ideas. Shrouding
of course is a much easier way of guiding the cables. If you do, take
care to avoid a low spot!
Btw, how do you inspect your shrouded rudder cables or is it a case of what you
don't see does not matter :-) ?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Monowheel Trailer Wanted |
Does anyone have an XS monowheel trailer for sale in the UK?
Please respond off list with details.
Thanks
Mike Gamble
Camberley
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Hi Jos,
I understand. That snowmobile incident must have been interesting. I forgot
about the mono. I don't have that open belly, full of mud and grass (and s
now?). But the tubing could be taken right up to the firewall. Mine is over
sized, not for any clever reason, it just seemd a good idea.
Inspection is easy: I just look at it through the transparent tubing.
Happy winter flying
Karl
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sok-e@ukolo.fi> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:15:22 +0200> To: europa-list@matr
> Hi Carl,> > Water comes from rain, splashes around in the wheel well, an
d freezes at about 0 C. Here in Finland at least. Temperature drops here, a
s everywhere else in standard air with 2 C per 1000 ft. Not so very difficu
lt to reach freezing temperatures, even on a nice warm summer day. Water wi
ll collect over time, in any lower spot. You don't need much of it, to lock
up completely when turned into ice. I once had a frozen throttle cable on
a snowmobile at close to full throttle ,and that cable was pretty good, but
not good enough protected against water ingress. It was a pretty hairy, an
d very impressive demonstration of what a droplet of iced water can do. Acc
ording to Murphy, if it will happen, it will happen in a situation where it
can do most damage. Oh, i do have shrouds at the in- out fuselage transiti
on at the rear near the rudder. But that piece is sloping down from the dry
inside. > Everybody of course can do what he likes when diverting from fac
tory ideas. Shrouding of course is a much easier way of guiding the cables.
If you do, take care to avoid a low spot!> Btw, how do you inspect your sh
rouded rudder cables or is it a case of what you don't see does not matter
:-) ? > > Regards,> > Jos Okhuijsen> > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.o
=====> > >
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| Subject: | RE: RUDDER CABLES |
Karl you mentioned you can see your cables from inside the cockpit, I
take it from that
you have them running along the outside of the tunnel next to the seats
craig
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| Subject: | RE: RUDDER CABLES |
No, everything except some wiring is along the inside walls of the tunnel.
I have a removable cover on the tunnel and a window in the bottom and front
of the tunnel. Even though I have the finger brakes and also the airbrake
control in the tunnel, I still have most of it available for storage and ca
mera. The throttle is push/pull below the panel, the airbrake handle comes
out at the top left side of the tunnel and is also removable via pip pins.
Karl
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From: craigb@onthenet.com.auTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-Li
st: RE: RUDDER CABLESDate: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:29:01 +1000
Karl you mentioned you can see your cables from inside the cockpit, I take
it from that
you have them running along the outside of the tunnel next to the seats
craig
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| Subject: | RE: RUDDER CABLES |
On this topic, I'm intending to install a pair of turnbuckles to enable
tension adjustment. For ease of access, I would be placing them just
aft of the removable "D" panel in the baggage bay bulkhead. Would
anyone offer a comment or two on this issue? Perhaps I'm overlooking
something...
Thanks,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RUDDER CABLES |
Fred,
I did just that. I also put a protection '2 x bid' layup under the
turnbuckles to protect the floor. I then fed the cables through a guide
either side of the push-rod containment stop raising the cables off the
floor less then 10 degrees angle.
Turnbuckles are good although I must say I haven't adjusted them much (only
once) with 160 hours flying, however they do allow you to correct the
steering alignment.
Cheer,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
CHRISTCHURCH 8052
NEW ZEALAND
Ph :64 03 3515166
Mob: 021 0640221
email:
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Europa-List: RE: RUDDER CABLES
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> On this topic, I'm intending to install a pair of turnbuckles to enable
> tension adjustment. For ease of access, I would be placing them just aft
> of the removable "D" panel in the baggage bay bulkhead. Would anyone offer
> a comment or two on this issue? Perhaps I'm overlooking something...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
> A194
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