---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/25/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:46 AM - RUDDER CABLES (craig b) 2. 03:57 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (josok) 3. 07:34 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (ALAN YERLY) 4. 09:05 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (Karl Heindl) 5. 10:55 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (josok) 6. 10:56 AM - Monowheel Trailer Wanted (Mike Gamble) 7. 11:47 AM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (Karl Heindl) 8. 12:34 PM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (craig b) 9. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: RUDDER CABLES (Karl Heindl) 10. 09:50 PM - Re: RUDDER CABLES (Fred Klein) 11. 11:31 PM - Re: Re: RUDDER CABLES (Tim Ward) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:22 AM PST US From: "craig b" Subject: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES I am curious if any of you have used shrouded cables to get around the need to run the cables "straight" from front to back. After much work getting my fuel system set before bonding in the cockpit module in i now discover my reserve pump is in the way for the rhs rudder cable. I can see that moving the fuel pump and lines will now be a royal pain given the very limited access and think changing the cables for cables with an outer would be a better way to go. craig ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES From: "josok" Hi Craig, There are a few things why i decided against shrouded cable. Water ingress and freezing (at altitude) and difficult to inspect on a regular bases. Is it not possible to use an extra pulley or so? Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:40 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES Craig, I shroud all my cables from the front to just shy of the pulley and then continue back to the ply supports for the luggage bay and again through the rear bulkhead and out. I use good quality 1/4 inch OD Nylaflow Nylon Tubing for plenty of clearance and no binding. You still should de-conflict all tubing and wiring so there is no interference or chaffing. With the Nylaflow tubing I don't have to worry about wire or hoses interfering accidentally with cables during maneuvering or vibration I did not anticipate. The Nylaflow gives you some leway to adjust your cable routing. Use an Adel clamp to secure the Nylaflow to keep your clearances. The same problem occurs when you mount the glider wing handle in the cockpit. the handle pivot seems to go right through the cable line. Bud Yerly custom Flight Creations --- Original Message ----- From: craig b To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:42 AM Subject: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES I am curious if any of you have used shrouded cables to get around the need to run the cables "straight" from front to back. After much work getting my fuel system set before bonding in the cockpit module in i now discover my reserve pump is in the way for the rhs rudder cable. I can see that moving the fuel pump and lines will now be a royal pain given the very limited access and think changing the cables for cables with an outer would be a better way to go. craig http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:27 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES Craig, I did much the same. It is a perfect way to keep the cable safe and away fr om other things like wiring. I used p-clips. Pardon my ignorence, Jos, but what extreme situation would freeze up the r udder cables ? Where does all that water come from and how cold does it have to be to freeze ? I know it gets pretty cold in Finland, but not that cold. And if there is so much water in the cold air, wouldn't you have crashed a long time ago with ice on the wings ? Additional pulleys are more mechanics, which can go wrong. I can see my cable runs from inside the cockpit, and I have never noticed a ny moisture in the nylaflow tube. Karl
From: budyerly@msn.comTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Europa-List : RUDDER CABLESDate: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:26:18 -0500 Craig, I shroud all my cables from the front to just shy of the pulley and then co ntinue back to the ply supports for the luggage bay and again through the r ear bulkhead and out. I use good quality 1/4 inch OD Nylaflow Nylon Tubing for plenty of clearance and no binding. You still should de-conflict all tubing and wiring so there is no interference or chaffing. With the Nylafl ow tubing I don't have to worry about wire or hoses interfering accidentall y with cables during maneuvering or vibration I did not anticipate. The Ny laflow gives you some leway to adjust your cable routing. Use an Adel clam p to secure the Nylaflow to keep your clearances. The same problem occurs when you mount the glider wing handle in the cockpit. the handle pivot see ms to go right through the cable line. Bud Yerly custom Flight Creations --- Original Message ----- From: craig b Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:42 AM Subject: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES I am curious if any of you have used shrouded cables to get around the need to run the cables "straight" from front to back. After much work getting my fu el system set before bonding in the cockpit module in i now discover my reserve pump is in the way for the rhs rudder cable. I can see that moving the fuel pump and lines will now be a royal pain given the very limited access and think changing the cables fo r cables with an outer would be a better way to go. craig href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES From: "josok" Hi Carl, Water comes from rain, splashes around in the wheel well, and freezes at about 0 C. Here in Finland at least. Temperature drops here, as everywhere else in standard air with 2 C per 1000 ft. Not so very difficult to reach freezing temperatures, even on a nice warm summer day. Water will collect over time, in any lower spot. You don't need much of it, to lock up completely when turned into ice. I once had a frozen throttle cable on a snowmobile at close to full throttle ,and that cable was pretty good, but not good enough protected against water ingress. It was a pretty hairy, and very impressive demonstration of what a droplet of iced water can do. According to Murphy, if it will happen, it will happen in a situation where it can do most damage. Oh, i do have shrouds at the in- out fuselage transition at the rear near the rudder. But that piece is sloping down from the dry inside. Everybody of course can do what he likes when diverting from factory ideas. Shrouding of course is a much easier way of guiding the cables. If you do, take care to avoid a low spot! Btw, how do you inspect your shrouded rudder cables or is it a case of what you don't see does not matter :-) ? Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:15 AM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Trailer Wanted Does anyone have an XS monowheel trailer for sale in the UK? Please respond off list with details. Thanks Mike Gamble Camberley ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:16 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES Hi Jos, I understand. That snowmobile incident must have been interesting. I forgot about the mono. I don't have that open belly, full of mud and grass (and s now?). But the tubing could be taken right up to the firewall. Mine is over sized, not for any clever reason, it just seemd a good idea. Inspection is easy: I just look at it through the transparent tubing. Happy winter flying Karl
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RUDDER CABLES> From: jo sok-e@ukolo.fi> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:15:22 +0200> To: europa-list@matr > Hi Carl,> > Water comes from rain, splashes around in the wheel well, an d freezes at about 0 C. Here in Finland at least. Temperature drops here, a s everywhere else in standard air with 2 C per 1000 ft. Not so very difficu lt to reach freezing temperatures, even on a nice warm summer day. Water wi ll collect over time, in any lower spot. You don't need much of it, to lock up completely when turned into ice. I once had a frozen throttle cable on a snowmobile at close to full throttle ,and that cable was pretty good, but not good enough protected against water ingress. It was a pretty hairy, an d very impressive demonstration of what a droplet of iced water can do. Acc ording to Murphy, if it will happen, it will happen in a situation where it can do most damage. Oh, i do have shrouds at the in- out fuselage transiti on at the rear near the rudder. But that piece is sloping down from the dry inside. > Everybody of course can do what he likes when diverting from fac tory ideas. Shrouding of course is a much easier way of guiding the cables. If you do, take care to avoid a low spot!> Btw, how do you inspect your sh rouded rudder cables or is it a case of what you don't see does not matter :-) ? > > Regards,> > Jos Okhuijsen> > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.o =====> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:43 PM PST US From: "craig b" Subject: Europa-List: RE: RUDDER CABLES Karl you mentioned you can see your cables from inside the cockpit, I take it from that you have them running along the outside of the tunnel next to the seats craig ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:04 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: RUDDER CABLES No, everything except some wiring is along the inside walls of the tunnel. I have a removable cover on the tunnel and a window in the bottom and front of the tunnel. Even though I have the finger brakes and also the airbrake control in the tunnel, I still have most of it available for storage and ca mera. The throttle is push/pull below the panel, the airbrake handle comes out at the top left side of the tunnel and is also removable via pip pins. Karl
From: craigb@onthenet.com.auTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-Li st: RE: RUDDER CABLESDate: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:29:01 +1000 Karl you mentioned you can see your cables from inside the cockpit, I take it from that you have them running along the outside of the tunnel next to the seats craig ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:15 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: RUDDER CABLES From: Fred Klein On this topic, I'm intending to install a pair of turnbuckles to enable tension adjustment. For ease of access, I would be placing them just aft of the removable "D" panel in the baggage bay bulkhead. Would anyone offer a comment or two on this issue? Perhaps I'm overlooking something... Thanks, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:22 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: RUDDER CABLES Fred, I did just that. I also put a protection '2 x bid' layup under the turnbuckles to protect the floor. I then fed the cables through a guide either side of the push-rod containment stop raising the cables off the floor less then 10 degrees angle. Turnbuckles are good although I must say I haven't adjusted them much (only once) with 160 hours flying, however they do allow you to correct the steering alignment. Cheer, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, CHRISTCHURCH 8052 NEW ZEALAND Ph :64 03 3515166 Mob: 021 0640221 email: ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Europa-List: RE: RUDDER CABLES > > On this topic, I'm intending to install a pair of turnbuckles to enable > tension adjustment. For ease of access, I would be placing them just aft > of the removable "D" panel in the baggage bay bulkhead. Would anyone offer > a comment or two on this issue? Perhaps I'm overlooking something... > > Thanks, > > Fred > A194 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.