---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/05/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:31 AM - A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul (David.Corbett) 2. 12:40 PM - Cabin heating system (Jac van Heeswijk) 3. 01:27 PM - Mod to pilot (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 4. 01:42 PM - Re: Mod to pilot (Trevpond@aol.com) 5. 02:04 PM - Re: Mod to pilot (Robert C Harrison) 6. 02:44 PM - Re: Mod to pilot (Rob Housman) 7. 03:06 PM - Re: Mod to pilot (Gary Leinberger) 8. 09:06 PM - Door Hinges (Fred Klein) 9. 11:28 PM - Re: Door Hinges (Dave Moore) 10. 11:55 PM - Re: Door Hinges (josok) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:27 AM PST US From: "David.Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul "A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul. "Throughout the Europa community there was enormous respect for William Mills and Paul Sweeting, who were both so sadly killed in a Europa accident in June 2007. Bryan Alsop and Paddy Clarke have suggested that the Club should arrange a "DOTH" in memory of William and Paul, and Shobdon Airfield - so near to both William and Paul's homes - has offered to host this event. "By tradition, a DOTH is a meeting of Europa owners/aircraft at an airfield, chosen at short notice (24 or at most 48 hours), when suitable weather is forecast. However, we feel that a DOTH in these circumstances would not be fair on our Europa community, some of whom may wish to attend from a considerable distance. Therefore, we have identified 2 Sundays at the end of April/beginning of May (April 27 and May 4) on one of which we will hold the event. We will go for the first of those 2 Sundays - 27 April - but if, 3 or 4 days in advance, the Met men advise postponement, we will change to the second date. "Apart from giving people early warning of the dates, the purpose of this advanced notice is to try to gauge the likely numbers of the Europa community who may wish to attend. Because William - and indeed Paul, himself a Herefordshire Aero Club (Shobdon) member - were so universally well respected, we feel that many of their Europa friends may wish to come. If as the Shobdon representative I can have some idea of the numbers, we at Shobdon will know how big the fly-in might be - and we will be able to organise accordingly. The Shobdon management has said that there will be no landing fees, but visitors will be invited to make a worthwhile donation to a charity which will be named when detailed instructions are sent out. "Can I therefore please ask all those who would hope to attend to send me an e-mail off forum - with "William's fly-in" in the subject box (this is important because my system puts e-mails with unknown sender addresses into the spam box) - by Tuesday 26 March; this does not commit you in any way! In your e-mail, please state aircraft registration and number(s) on board. Once we have a feel for the numbers, we will issue a more detailed plan for the day. If you know of any of William's Europa friends who do not watch this forum but who may wish to attend, could you please forward this message to them. And - this is not confined to UK Europa friends! "We look forward to hearing from you, "David - on behalf of Bryan, Paddy and Shobdon" ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:07 PM PST US From: "Jac van Heeswijk" Subject: Europa-List: Cabin heating system Some time ago there has been a discussion on a closed cabin heating system that worked by means of a box clamped over the exhaust pipe, taking air from the front of the cowling and delivering it to both sides of the dashboard through eyeball vents. When I remember well this system was commercially supplied by a company and easy to mount. Big advantages were: a very simple system and no exhaust gasses into the cabin. After that I never heard of it. Is there somebody who can put me on the track, c.q. point me to an address where I can get more information. Thanks! Jack van Heeswijk, PH-LOB ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:04 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Europa-List: Mod to pilot So, we have to do one of these: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1199.pdf before we're allowed to make international flights again? Duncan McF. do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:08 PM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod to pilot In a message dated 05/03/2008 21:28:10 GMT Standard Time, ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk writes: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1199.pdf Well, I spose we mite av 2 innit Trev Pond G-LINN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:50 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod to pilot The indigenous population has to bow to beaurocracy out of Europe again! How do our colonies over the Atlantic see this ? Bob H G-PTAG Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 05 March 2008 21:23 Subject: Europa-List: Mod to pilot So, we have to do one of these: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1199.pdf before we're allowed to make international flights again? Duncan McF. do not archive -- 04/03/2008 21:46 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:16 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod to pilot I presume the colonies to which you refer are on the North American mainland ;-) If so, here's what the AOPA recently included in a newsletter: CERTAIN U.S. PILOTS NEED NEW 'ENGLISH PROFICIENT' CERTIFICATE Do you fly internationally? If so, you'll need a new pilot certificate with the words "English Proficient" on it. The new certificate will be required for international flights starting March 5, when the International Civil Aviation Organization's language proficiency standards for operating internationally go into effect. The requirement applies to airplane and helicopter private, commercial, and airline transport pilots; flight engineers; and flight navigators. Pilots with a U.S.-issued certificate will not need to pass a language test, just request a replacement certificate from the FAA. The plastic replacement certificate will cost $2 and take seven to 10 days to be processed. All newly issued pilot certificates will have the endorsement. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod to pilot The indigenous population has to bow to beaurocracy out of Europe again! How do our colonies over the Atlantic see this ? Bob H G-PTAG Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 05 March 2008 21:23 Subject: Europa-List: Mod to pilot So, we have to do one of these: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1199.pdf before we're allowed to make international flights again? Duncan McF. do not archive -- 04/03/2008 21:46 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:10 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod to pilot From: "Gary Leinberger" How come we aren't equipping our radios with a button - 1 for English, 2 for Spanish, etc? We do it for everything else. gl -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod to pilot I presume the colonies to which you refer are on the North American mainland ;-) If so, here's what the AOPA recently included in a newsletter: CERTAIN U.S. PILOTS NEED NEW 'ENGLISH PROFICIENT' CERTIFICATE Do you fly internationally? If so, you'll need a new pilot certificate with the words "English Proficient" on it. The new certificate will be required for international flights starting March 5, when the International Civil Aviation Organization's language proficiency standards for operating internationally go into effect. The requirement applies to airplane and helicopter private, commercial, and airline transport pilots; flight engineers; and flight navigators. Pilots with a U.S.-issued certificate will not need to pass a language test, just request a replacement certificate from the FAA. The plastic replacement certificate will cost $2 and take seven to 10 days to be processed. All newly issued pilot certificates will have the endorsement. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod to pilot The indigenous population has to bow to beaurocracy out of Europe again! How do our colonies over the Atlantic see this ? Bob H G-PTAG Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 05 March 2008 21:23 Subject: Europa-List: Mod to pilot So, we have to do one of these: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1199.pdf before we're allowed to make international flights again? Duncan McF. do not archive -- 04/03/2008 21:46 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:31 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Door Hinges From: Fred Klein Gentlepeople, I've attached the door hinges to the doors per the manual and notice that it calls for the tangs of the door mouldings at the hinges to be trimmed to create a gap of 5/16" at the hinge recess in the fuselage top moulding in order to fully raise the doors. I'm noticing what seems like an odd geometry in that the ends of the tang recess is not parallel to the hinge pin line. The result appears to be a 5/16" x approx. 2" slot of varying depth in our otherwise slick and clean fuselage top. Going by the old saw of "think 3 times, measure twice, cut once", before I cut, I'm wondering if some clever fellow has figured out a way to avoid this slot, or is this something which everyone lives with? Or have I misinterpreted the plans? Has anyone deepened the tang recesses in order to for the tangs to remain full length (with no slot) while providing clearance for the tang when the door is fully open? Or have I, by even considering such a minute detail, once again, slipped off that precipice separating conscientious building and obsession? All comments gratefully appreciated, though I will not be able to acknowledge any until Friday! Thanks, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:32 PM PST US From: "Dave Moore" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Door Hinges Fred, Yes, some folk have deepened the recesses for the door hinge tangs. I cannot comment on the impact of doing that on the overall integrity of the structure, but it can make installing a ceiling panel more complicated, i.e. the deepened recesses may prevent a flat ceiling panel sitting flush on the door rebates. Cliff Shaw came up with a practical solution. Shorten the door tangs just enough for the doors to open fully. Then lay-up 2-3 layers of BID in the top of the recesses, flush with the roof line. (Make temporary blue foam inserts so that you can form flox corners under the BID). Adjust the width of BID in-fill to get a neat gap between the end of the tangs and the edge of the BID in-fills, say 2-3 mm (7/64th inch). There are photographs on the late Mr Shaw's album in the EuropaOwners website. If you struggle to find them, I'll dig them out for you. Regards, Dave Dave Moore Monowheel 550 Aberdeen UK. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinges From: "josok" Hi Fred, After seemingly endless shortening and deepening i finally cut the recesses. Put the doors in open position, taped some carton and foam around the tangs and stuck glass and epoxy over that. You can't tell the difference, but it fits. Sounds drastic, but in the end was easier then the endless trial and error method. There are some pictures of that operation in http://www.europaowners.org/kit600 Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.