---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/14/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:33 AM - English language certificates - UK (David.Corbett) 2. 04:27 PM - The trials of fitting (Fred Klein) 3. 04:54 PM - Re: The trials of fitting (craig bastin) 4. 05:52 PM - Re: The trials of fitting (Robert Borger) 5. 06:16 PM - Re: The trials of fitting (craig bastin) 6. 06:30 PM - UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Alan Burrows) 7. 11:29 PM - Re: The trials of fitting (josok) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:34 AM PST US From: "David.Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: English language certificates - UK The UK CAA have confirmed this week that all professional licence holders should by now have received their English language certificates, and that the "private" licence categories are now being processed at the rate of 500 per day. David ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:48 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: The trials of fitting From: Fred Klein Though I place myself midway within the range of builders' sense of precision in their respective aircraft, I CANNOT BELIEVE the friggin time I've spent (and continue to spend) in the process of fitting the canopy doors, the hinges, rebates, and shoot bolts to achieve a modest fit. The manual includes an innocuous statement to the effect of "trial fit until you're happy"...I've lost count of the trial fits...its been indeed a trial...and I've had a number of fits... Foolish me...thinkin this part of the build would be a quick piece of cake... Fred A194 ...persevering... do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:48 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: The trials of fitting I hear you fred, some of the jobs the manual glosses over in one sentence I have spent a couple of days fine tuning to get to an acceptable level before glassing in / attaching etc. Mind you I have also seen some much faster easier ways to do some of the jobs to get the same result in the end instead of following the build manual to the letter. craig Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Europa-List: The trials of fitting Though I place myself midway within the range of builders' sense of precision in their respective aircraft, I CANNOT BELIEVE the friggin time I've spent (and continue to spend) in the process of fitting the canopy doors, the hinges, rebates, and shoot bolts to achieve a modest fit. The manual includes an innocuous statement to the effect of "trial fit until you're happy"...I've lost count of the trial fits...its been indeed a trial...and I've had a number of fits... Foolish me...thinkin this part of the build would be a quick piece of cake... Fred A194 ...persevering... do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Checked by AVG. 12:33 PM Checked by AVG. 12:33 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:59 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting Gents, Days? How 'bout weeks and months on some simple one line tasks. But, don't get discouraged. It will be done and flying one day. Right now, it's jJust like eating an elephant. One bite at a time. See Y'all in Oshkosh if I can just get over this flu and back to work. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 14, 2008, at 18:50, craig bastin wrote: > > > > I hear you fred, some of the jobs the manual glosses over in one > sentence I > have spent a couple of days fine tuning to get > to an acceptable level before glassing in / attaching etc. Mind you > I have > also seen some much faster easier ways to do > some of the jobs to get the same result in the end instead of > following the > build manual to the letter. > > craig > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein > Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2008 9:24 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: The trials of fitting > > > > Though I place myself midway within the range of builders' sense of > precision in their respective aircraft, I CANNOT BELIEVE the friggin > time I've spent (and continue to spend) in the process of fitting the > canopy doors, the hinges, rebates, and shoot bolts to achieve a modest > fit. > > The manual includes an innocuous statement to the effect of "trial fit > until you're happy"...I've lost count of the trial fits...its been > indeed a trial...and I've had a number of fits... > > Foolish me...thinkin this part of the build would be a quick piece of > cake... > > Fred > A194 > > ...persevering... > > do not archive > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > Checked by AVG. > 12:33 PM > > Checked by AVG. > 12:33 PM > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:36 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: The trials of fitting I hope to up by the end of the year, I think $$$ will stop me though as i cant see me having the money for the panel till next year, i started late august 07 and am ready to bond the top on. I have another saying i prefer to run by, bite off more than you can chew and chew like hell. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting Gents, Days? How 'bout weeks and months on some simple one line tasks. But, don't get discouraged. It will be done and flying one day. Right now, it's jJust like eating an elephant. One bite at a time. See Y'all in Oshkosh if I can just get over this flu and back to work. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 14, 2008, at 18:50, craig bastin wrote: > > > > I hear you fred, some of the jobs the manual glosses over in one > sentence I > have spent a couple of days fine tuning to get > to an acceptable level before glassing in / attaching etc. Mind you > I have > also seen some much faster easier ways to do > some of the jobs to get the same result in the end instead of > following the > build manual to the letter. > > craig > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein > Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2008 9:24 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: The trials of fitting > > > > Though I place myself midway within the range of builders' sense of > precision in their respective aircraft, I CANNOT BELIEVE the friggin > time I've spent (and continue to spend) in the process of fitting the > canopy doors, the hinges, rebates, and shoot bolts to achieve a modest > fit. > > The manual includes an innocuous statement to the effect of "trial fit > until you're happy"...I've lost count of the trial fits...its been > indeed a trial...and I've had a number of fits... > > Foolish me...thinkin this part of the build would be a quick piece of > cake... > > Fred > A194 > > ...persevering... > > do not archive > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > Checked by AVG. > 12:33 PM > > Checked by AVG. > 12:33 PM > > Checked by AVG. 12:33 PM Checked by AVG. 12:33 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:29 PM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the Austrian system https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ ALAN ************************************ European Comanche Tribe Mailing List ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- ************************************ Checked by AVG. 13/03/2008 11:31 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting From: "josok" Fred, You have a habit of making me soo happy. Those doors took me 6 months. Including the walk-away and see later days. Felt pretty stupid at times too :-) So it's kind of nice to see that i am not the only one. But once you are through this, fitting anything else is easy! It's probably the doors stage that made people invent the 90% done 90% to go rule. Eh, just keep at it, it's worth it! 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