---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/15/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:58 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Pete Lawless) 2. 02:57 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (David Joyce) 4. 06:00 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Alan Burrows) 5. 06:21 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Alan Burrows) 6. 07:08 AM - Convention Gear Europa (Paul McAllister) 7. 08:08 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Pete Lawless) 8. 08:51 AM - Re: Convention Gear Europa (G-IANI) 9. 10:07 AM - Re: The trials of fitting (ALAN YERLY) 10. 11:22 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Ian Seager) 11. 11:25 AM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 12. 11:54 AM - Re: Convention Gear Europa (JEFF ROBERTS) 13. 11:54 AM - Re: Convention Gear Europa (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 14. 12:21 PM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (Pete Lawless) 15. 01:19 PM - Re: The trials of fitting (Fred Klein) 16. 04:24 PM - Re: English language certificates - UK (Tony Crowe) 17. 04:31 PM - Trials of Fitting (doors) (Graham Higgins) 18. 05:01 PM - Re: Trials of Fitting (doors) (Graham Singleton) 19. 09:54 PM - Re: Trials of Fitting (doors) (raggi6771) 20. 10:06 PM - Re: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System (raggi6771) 21. 11:36 PM - 11 Years 10 Months (p-a.austin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:37 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Alan Thanks for this one it will save me a lot of messing about with faxes if it works. Regards Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 15 March 2008 01:26 Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the Austrian system https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ ALAN -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ************************************ European Comanche Tribe Mailing List ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- ************************************ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:26 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System 14 Hantone Hill<<...if it works...>> Not many that have had much success with it thus far. See: http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=42112 Probably designed by an IT person rather than a user! Duncan Mcf do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Lawless To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Alan Thanks for this one it will save me a lot of messing about with faxes if it works. Regards Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 15 March 2008 01:26 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the Austrian system https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ ALAN -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ************************************ European Comanche Tribe Mailing List ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- ************************************ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:10 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Alan, A comparison of the ease with which one can get Notams from the French SIA and the horribly tortuous business of getting them from the CAA, doesn't fill me with confidence, and an initial attempt to log in producing a file the computer couldn't read hasn't helped! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System > > > I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. > > > This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for > some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the > Austrian system > > > https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ > > > ALAN > > ************************************ > European Comanche Tribe Mailing List > ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- > ************************************ > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Duncan Surely you are not inferring any lack of faith in our wonderful UK aviation authorities are you ;-) Alan _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 01 March 2008 10:54 Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System <<...if it works...>> Not many that have had much success with it thus far. See: http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=42112 Probably designed by an IT person rather than a user! Duncan Mcf do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Lawless Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Alan Thanks for this one it will save me a lot of messing about with faxes if it works. Regards Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 15 March 2008 01:26 Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the Austrian system https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ ALAN -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ************************************ European Comanche Tribe Mailing List ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- ************************************ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:24 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Hey don't shoot the messenger :-) Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 15 March 2008 12:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Alan, A comparison of the ease with which one can get Notams from the French SIA and the horribly tortuous business of getting them from the CAA, doesn't fill me with confidence, and an initial attempt to log in producing a file the computer couldn't read hasn't helped! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System > > > I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. > > > This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for > some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the > Austrian system > > > https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ > > > ALAN > > ************************************ > European Comanche Tribe Mailing List > ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- > ************************************ > > -- Checked by AVG. 12:33 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:29 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Convention Gear Europa Hi all, Well at last my conventional gear kit is ready to be shipped. It was my intention to fit this over the winter, so I guess it becomes next winters project. In the mean time I am going to start accumulating parts, photographs etc. in preparation. I am looking for some experience and advice about brakes. I have tracked down finger brakes used for dune buggies. Does anyone know if they are similar as to what is used in the Trig gear ? See: http://www.mooreparts.com/store/product/2257/CNC452SB-34/ They are available in two bore sizes, 5/8 and 3/4. What bore sizes are used in the Europa ? Also, what type of brake fluid is used ? I have taken delivery of a jack screw drive for my flaps, could someone point me towards the trigear install pages that detail out how this is fitted. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:07 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System At least they are responding to questions on a Saturday afternoon. However I am not hopeful of the outcome - it seems to require you to hold a UK licence to participate. Echoes of the GPS Approach trials? Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 15 March 2008 12:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Alan, A comparison of the ease with which one can get Notams from the French SIA and the horribly tortuous business of getting them from the CAA, doesn't fill me with confidence, and an initial attempt to log in producing a file the computer couldn't read hasn't helped! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System > > > I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. > > > This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for > some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the > Austrian system > > > https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ > > > ALAN > > ************************************ > European Comanche Tribe Mailing List > ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- > ************************************ > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:50 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Convention Gear Europa Paul The finger brakes used in the original Mod 65 are made by Jamar. They are 3/4 bore. They are similar those you have found. Those of us who used the Jamar cylinder had lots of problems. Mod 65 is now supplied with Matco master cylinders (MC4) which are much better. If you want more detail e-mail me off list. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:56 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting Trials of fitting, in a word is craftsmanship. Unless you have built cabinets with curved doors for a living, fitting the Europa doors or an any aircraft canopy is not an intuitive task. Visualizing the hinge position, alignment and clearances are a learned craft. I do a set of doors in 26 hours flat. But I have done many sets, and that does not include the time to ensure initial fit. I always plan 40 hours for doors. That's a solid week. Here is a technique I use, to fill in the gaps of that famous line "offer the part up to the aircraft": Start by putting the door in the rebate. If the door needs to be heated slightly and re-curved to fit the shape, do it slowly and carefully. Sometimes I heat a door to shape, put a strap around the door flexing it beyond where it needs to be and allow to cool and refit until it flits flawlessly. It takes time, like steaming a wood door. Once the door fits the rebate snug, I take a 36 inch long aluminum yardstick or equivalent and draw a line across the top of the fuselage aligned where the hinge line edges are in the fuselage rebate. This line will then be transcribed down across the side of the rebate and will allow hinge initial placement. The pin is just about on the line on the fuselage rebate for the tang. I like the pin to be slightly inboard. Then set the door in the rebate and extend the line along the door tang. Transcribe the line down to the bottom of the tang slot in the rebate and see how the hinge will align. Grab some clay and put the hinges on the fuselage rebate. Squeeze the door down, lift off and align the hinge on your marks. Put a drop or two of super glue/or 5 minute epoxy on the hinge side facing the door and shoot accelerator on the tang and replace the door. Clamp in place and allow the glue to set up. The hinge should be aligned. Pick up the door, and place it vertically in the rebate, allowing 36 inches of opening for a start. Trim the tang until the hinge will fit back on the clay level just set. Close the door mark and trim until the gap (almost 3/8 inch between the tang and fuselage) is pleasing to the eye. Replace the door and check hinge alignment on the tang. Re-accomplish until all looks right. Use the straight edge again, bending it as necessary to the contour to ensure the hinge pins are aligned with one another on the door... Make any spacers from metal wood or glue and re-tack with glue until the door opens and closes cleanly, then drill. Note that because of the top fuselage curvature, the top gap must be made wider to clear the arc when it opens. At least 1/4 inch is necessary in some cases (account for filler and paint)... Now fit the hardware and continue as the book calls for. Once the hardware is in, trim the door to allow a 1/8 inch gap all around the three remaining sides. Figure your top gap to allow 3/32 clearance as the door is hinged up on the top apex to allow for filler and paint. Many of you will use the Europa supplied door strut kits. Again, this will stiffen the door. That too must be bent and adjusted until the curvature of the door is unaffected. I have a jig that aligns the struts and all to get my opening and support placement correct, and no it is not for loaning out. If the door doesn't fit well without the glass, it really fits bad once the glass is in. Take your time. It's an airplane. The canopy/doors typically takes a month to build to perfection for the average guy. It doesn't matter if it is an RV, Zenith, Europa, Glassair, or Jabiru. Everyone will see the fit of the cowl and canopy/doors. If you don't trial fit by putting it on and taking it off at least eight times, you are probably screwing up and it won't look good. I have consulted with the folks at Liberty who have the same problems on fit and finish of the doors, it all comes down to craftsmanship. They know it takes time. Craftsmanship is what separates us from the other guys who have airplanes that look like Slot A, joins Tab B then rivet in place spam cans. That's the beauty of building your own aircraft, it is a reflection of your learned craft. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Borger To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting > Gents, Days? How 'bout weeks and months on some simple one line tasks. But, don't get discouraged. It will be done and flying one day. Right now, it's jJust like eating an elephant. One bite at a time. See Y'all in Oshkosh if I can just get over this flu and back to work. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 14, 2008, at 18:50, craig bastin wrote: > > > > I hear you fred, some of the jobs the manual glosses over in one > sentence I > have spent a couple of days fine tuning to get > to an acceptable level before glassing in / attaching etc. Mind you > I have > also seen some much faster easier ways to do > some of the jobs to get the same result in the end instead of > following the > build manual to the letter. > > craig > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein > Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2008 9:24 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: The trials of fitting > > > > > Though I place myself midway within the range of builders' sense of > precision in their respective aircraft, I CANNOT BELIEVE the friggin > time I've spent (and continue to spend) in the process of fitting the > canopy doors, the hinges, rebates, and shoot bolts to achieve a modest > fit. > > The manual includes an innocuous statement to the effect of "trial fit > until you're happy"...I've lost count of the trial fits...its been > indeed a trial...and I've had a number of fits... > > Foolish me...thinkin this part of the build would be a quick piece of > cake... > > Fred > A194 > > ...persevering... > > do not archive > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > 12:33 PM > > Checked by AVG. > 12:33 PM > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:25 AM PST US From: Ian Seager Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System As far as I understand it from talking to people at NATS you need a UK address, not necessarily a UK licence, an FAA or I guess any other verifiable licence will do. Ian On 15 Mar 2008, at 15:03, Pete Lawless wrote: > > At least they are responding to questions on a Saturday afternoon. > However > I am not hopeful of the outcome - it seems to require you to hold a UK > licence to participate. Echoes of the GPS Approach trials? > > Pete > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Joyce > Sent: 15 March 2008 12:53 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System > > > > > Alan, A comparison of the ease with which one can get Notams from > the French > SIA and the horribly tortuous business of getting them from the CAA, > doesn't > fill me with confidence, and an initial attempt to log in producing > a file > the computer couldn't read hasn't helped! > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Burrows" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:25 AM > Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System > > >> >> >> I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. >> >> >> >> >> >> This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on >> it for >> some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or >> the >> Austrian system >> >> >> >> https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> ALAN >> >> ************************************ >> European Comanche Tribe Mailing List >> ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- >> ************************************ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:42 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System 14 Hantone HillI should dare. But last time that the CAA copied a system that worked well in France we were left with something very user unfriendly (Notams). Of course, there was then a lot of effort put in to a charm-offensive to tell us how good it was (or by implication how stupid we were), rather than immediate effort applied to making it better. That said, there is a new Notam system about to be trialled next week. http://mrc0001.users.btopenworld.com/docs/Test_Invitation.pdf We'll see! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Burrows To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Duncan Surely you are not inferring any lack of faith in our wonderful UK aviation authorities are you ;-) Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 01 March 2008 10:54 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System <<...if it works...>> Not many that have had much success with it thus far. See: http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=42112 Probably designed by an IT person rather than a user! Duncan Mcf do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Lawless To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Alan Thanks for this one it will save me a lot of messing about with faxes if it works. Regards Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 15 March 2008 01:26 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on it for some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or the Austrian system https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ ALAN -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ************************************ European Comanche Tribe Mailing List ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- ************************************ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="h ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:48 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Convention Gear Europa Paul, Paul, I stuck with the original cylinders. They just needed cleaned out and the o rings changed. Plus the side bleed ports leaked but some gasket seal on the threads fixed that. The Jarmar ones your looking at appear to be different but of better quality. I've heard good things from others that have used them. I believe they are like the original that came with the kit in that they use dot 5 fluid. I found it at Advanced Auto Parts. Hoe this helps. Regards, Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 106 hours and climbing slowly and still fussing with cooling. On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Paul McAllister wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Well at last my conventional gear kit is ready to be shipped. It was > my intention to fit this over the winter, so I guess it becomes next > winters project. > > In the mean time I am going to start accumulating parts, photographs > etc. in preparation. I am looking for some experience and advice > about brakes. I have tracked down finger brakes used for dune > buggies. Does anyone know if they are similar as to what is used in > the Trig gear ? See: > > http://www.mooreparts.com/store/product/2257/CNC452SB-34/ > > They are available in two bore sizes, 5/8 and 3/4. What bore sizes > are used in the Europa ? Also, what type of brake fluid is used ? > > I have taken delivery of a jack screw drive for my flaps, could > someone point me towards the trigear install pages that detail out how > this is fitted. > > Thanks, Paul > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:48 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Convention Gear Europa A smaller and lighter version (which should be globally available) of the Factory behemoths can be found on the back of a trials bike. Try the parts catalogues at: http://www.gasgasuk.com/gas-gas-spare-parts.php I expect that there is a US equivalent. These have a small bore, but that doesn't matter; the Factory versions have too large a bore; if you remember, the diameter of the calliper cylinder on the monowheel had to be made larger to compensate. However, fluid/seal compatability will need to be matched with the calipers. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: Europa-List: Convention Gear Europa > > > Hi all, > > Well at last my conventional gear kit is ready to be shipped. It was > my intention to fit this over the winter, so I guess it becomes next > winters project. > > In the mean time I am going to start accumulating parts, photographs > etc. in preparation. I am looking for some experience and advice > about brakes. I have tracked down finger brakes used for dune > buggies. Does anyone know if they are similar as to what is used in > the Trig gear ? See: > > http://www.mooreparts.com/store/product/2257/CNC452SB-34/ > > They are available in two bore sizes, 5/8 and 3/4. What bore sizes > are used in the Europa ? Also, what type of brake fluid is used ? > > I have taken delivery of a jack screw drive for my flaps, could > someone point me towards the trigear install pages that detail out how > this is fitted. > > Thanks, Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:59 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System Another response by email to my question regarding FAA licences. It should be no problem as Ian says it is a UK address that matters. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ian Seager Sent: 15 March 2008 18:18 Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System As far as I understand it from talking to people at NATS you need a UK address, not necessarily a UK licence, an FAA or I guess any other verifiable licence will do. Ian On 15 Mar 2008, at 15:03, Pete Lawless wrote: > > At least they are responding to questions on a Saturday afternoon. > However > I am not hopeful of the outcome - it seems to require you to hold a UK > licence to participate. Echoes of the GPS Approach trials? > > Pete > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Joyce > Sent: 15 March 2008 12:53 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System > > > > Alan, A comparison of the ease with which one can get Notams from > the French > SIA and the horribly tortuous business of getting them from the CAA, > doesn't > fill me with confidence, and an initial attempt to log in producing > a file > the computer couldn't read hasn't helped! > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Burrows" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:25 AM > Subject: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System > > >> >> >> I KNOW THIS WONT APPEAL TO EVERYONE, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING ANYWAY. >> >> >> >> >> >> This has just been announced. Apparently NATS have been working on >> it for >> some time. It might even be as good as the French OLIVIA system, or >> the >> Austrian system >> >> >> >> https://ts1.flightplanningonline.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> ALAN >> >> ************************************ >> European Comanche Tribe Mailing List >> ---- To post simply send messages to list@comancheflyer-eur.com ----- >> ************************************ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting From: Fred Klein On Saturday, Mar 15, 2008, at 09:00 US/Pacific, ALAN YERLY wrote: > Trials of fitting, in a word is craftsmanship. > > Unless you have built cabinets with curved doors for a living, fitting > the Europa doorsor anany aircraftcanopy is not an intuitive task. Yerlysan...you are indeed a master and I such a novice...this is said with total respect. It's reassuring to know that a pro plans for 40 hours/door set, I think I've been hard at it for about 3 weeks, just this morning succeeding in locking the shoot bolts within the fuselage after being satisfied w/ the hinge operation. I wish I had had the benefit of your process before beginning rather than accepting the build manual as gospel (until I hit some dead ends). Thank you for your comments on gapping, as how to properly allow for filler and paint has been something I've been scratching my head about; the goal being to have all gaps looking good AND functional after getting them back from the painter. I've been really surprised to find significant variations in the thickness of the filler/primer on the fuselage top in the vicinity of the tang recesses as delivered. I have one suggestion which may be helpful to others regarding the location of the hinges and their alignment. I happened to have a 6' length of 3/32" precision ground SS rod (from McMaster-Carr) which I temporarily substituted for the hinge pins while locating the hinge leaves on the tang. Used in conjunction w/ a straightedge, it really simplified alignment. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:20 PM PST US From: "Tony Crowe" Subject: Re: Europa-List: English language certificates - UK Its nice to know I will get a certificate so I can legally use English. ----- Original Message ----- From: David.Corbett To: Europa Forum Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: Europa-List: English language certificates - UK The UK CAA have confirmed this week that all professional licence holders should by now have received their English language certificates, and that the "private" licence categories are now being processed at the rate of 500 per day. David ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:29 PM PST US From: "Graham Higgins" Subject: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) Hi Fred, Welcome to the joys of building! The real "pissed off" feeling comes when, after all the meticulous fitting and fiddling that we perfectionists tend to perform, you find that the thing changes after some time in the sun, with the corners cocked up, looking as though you threw it together in an afternoon, without wearing your glasses!!! Lesson - make sure you make some provision to prevent the pressure of the gas strut deforming the door under warm conditions, as happened to mine, built to original spec's. There are a few ways to do this. Regards Graham Higgins in Oz. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:06 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) Graham are you aware of Ted Gladstones fix for this? His solution removes the load from the door and the fuselage, which probably both move. Graham Graham Higgins wrote: > > > Hi Fred, > Welcome to the joys of building! > The real "pissed off" feeling comes when, after all the meticulous > fitting and fiddling that we perfectionists tend to perform, you find > that the thing changes after some time in the sun, with the corners > cocked up, looking as though you threw it together in an afternoon, > without wearing your glasses!!! > Lesson - make sure you make some provision to prevent the pressure of > the gas strut deforming the door under warm conditions, as happened to > mine, built to original spec's. There are a few ways to do this. > Regards Graham Higgins in Oz. > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) From: "raggi6771" Graham, Kingsley Hurst has done the same mod to his classic mono out a Taroom. Last time i was out there it was about 40c and his doors looked perfect. The way he had the pivot points set up for this the strut seem to be providing a moderate amount of hold down pressure on the door. I believe I will do doing the same mod on mine. regards Craig Do not archive Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Internet Flight Plan Filing System From: "raggi6771" If the new UK system is anything like the Aussie system we have been using for about 10 years then i am sure those of you that are happy using the Internet will love it. For Australia it takes about 3 clicks to get the NOTAMS you need and about 30 seconds to lodge a flight plan with multiple way-points. regards Craig Do not archive Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:33 PM PST US From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months Near to the day from first lay-up to first flight for ZK-ZEB, all went well. Europa Classic #198. Wilksch Powered. Weight 960lbs. 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