---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/16/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:20 AM - Re: Convention Gear Europa (karelvranken) 2. 04:39 AM - Re: 11 Years 10 Months (raggi6771) 3. 06:42 AM - Re: Convention Gear Europa (rampil) 4. 07:57 AM - Re: English language certificates - UK (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 5. 08:18 AM - Re: 11 Years 10 Months (Robert C Harrison) 6. 10:04 AM - Re: 11 Years 10 Months (Fred Klein) 7. 10:04 AM - Re: 11 Years 10 Months (Robert Borger) 8. 10:09 AM - AW: The trials of fitting (Europa (Alfred Buess)) 9. 12:04 PM - Re: English language certificates - UK (Steve Pitt) 10. 12:31 PM - Re: The trials of fitting (Fred Klein) 11. 02:36 PM - Re: 11 Years 10 Months (TIMOTHY PHILIP WARD) 12. 03:25 PM - Stefan Ingemarsson, e-mail address (Peter Timm) 13. 05:39 PM - Re: 11 Years 10 Months (Graham Singleton) 14. 05:40 PM - Re: Trials of Fitting (doors) (Graham Singleton) 15. 05:45 PM - Re: Trials of Fitting (doors) (Fred Klein) 16. 05:53 PM - Re: The trials of fitting (Fred Klein) 17. 05:53 PM - Re: Trials of Fitting (doors) (Graham Singleton) 18. 10:53 PM - Re: Stefan Ingemarsson, e-mail address (Gert Dalgaard) 19. 10:57 PM - MONO-WHEEL GEAR RETRACTION (ROBERT LINDSAY) 20. 11:55 PM - Re: Trials of Fitting (doors) (JR Gowing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:35 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Convention Gear Europa Paul, For wheels and brakes have a look at www.beringer.fr Karel Vranken. F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Europa-List: Convention Gear Europa > > > Hi all, > > Well at last my conventional gear kit is ready to be shipped. It was > my intention to fit this over the winter, so I guess it becomes next > winters project. > > In the mean time I am going to start accumulating parts, photographs > etc. in preparation. I am looking for some experience and advice > about brakes. I have tracked down finger brakes used for dune > buggies. Does anyone know if they are similar as to what is used in > the Trig gear ? See: > > http://www.mooreparts.com/store/product/2257/CNC452SB-34/ > > They are available in two bore sizes, 5/8 and 3/4. What bore sizes > are used in the Europa ? Also, what type of brake fluid is used ? > > I have taken delivery of a jack screw drive for my flaps, could > someone point me towards the trigear install pages that detail out how > this is fitted. > > Thanks, Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months From: "raggi6771" Congratulations, do you have some pics for us all to drool over for those of us that haven't finished yet Craig Do not archive Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Convention Gear Europa From: "rampil" Just another data point, I've used the Jamar master cylinders for in operation for almost 4 years without a problem. They were recommended by FlightCrafters long before the factory gave in to hand brakes. The only change I've made over the years is to increase the length of handle to increase the mechanical advantage. My wheels and brakes are standard Matco. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170152#170152 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:30 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: English language certificates - UK But only to Level 4; you'll need to be revalidated every 3 years, just in case you forget the language I suppose. Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Crowe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: English language certificates - UK Its nice to know I will get a certificate so I can legally use English. ----- Original Message ----- From: David.Corbett To: Europa Forum Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: Europa-List: English language certificates - UK The UK CAA have confirmed this week that all professional licence holders should by now have received their English language certificates, and that the "private" licence categories are now being processed at the rate of 500 per day. David href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:06 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months Congratulations Peter. Well done and what a slog! I guess you had a life during the build unlike some of us? Mine was 2,500 hours over four and a half years so I didn't do much else ....it even brought retirement on like stealth ! At least now you can enjoy the fruits ! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of p-a.austin Sent: 16 March 2008 06:22 Subject: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months Near to the day from first lay-up to first flight for ZK-ZEB, all went well. Europa Classic #198. Wilksch Powered. Weight 960lbs. Peter. -- Checked by AVG. 14/03/2008 12:33 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months From: Fred Klein > Near to the day from first lay-up to first flight for ZK-ZEB, all went > well. > > Europa Classic #198. > Wilksch Powered. > Weight 960lbs. Hearty congratulations Peter! Fred A194, also thinkin diesel -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:55 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months Peter, Congratulations! Your perserverance has paid off! Post some pics please. Great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 16, 2008, at 1:22, p-a.austin wrote: > a.austin@xnet.co.nz> > > Near to the day from first lay-up to first flight for ZK-ZEB, all > went well. > > Europa Classic #198. > Wilksch Powered. > Weight 960lbs. > > Peter. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:08 AM PST US From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: AW: Europa-List: The trials of fitting Fred, Just a small hint before you run into the next trouble with your doors: Bond the shoot bolt guides into the fuselage structure only AFTER painting the doors inside! I had to learn the hard way, that painting can make the door fitting too tight. Implication: The guides had to be taken out, repositioned and bonded in again. Good luck and lots of patience! Regards, Alfred Alfred Buess, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Fred Klein Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Mrz 2008 21:16 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting On Saturday, Mar 15, 2008, at 09:00 US/Pacific, ALAN YERLY wrote: > Trials of fitting, in a word is craftsmanship. > > Unless you have built cabinets with curved doors for a living, fitting > the Europa doorsor anany aircraftcanopy is not an intuitive task. Yerlysan...you are indeed a master and I such a novice...this is said with total respect. It's reassuring to know that a pro plans for 40 hours/door set, I think I've been hard at it for about 3 weeks, just this morning succeeding in locking the shoot bolts within the fuselage after being satisfied w/ the hinge operation. I wish I had had the benefit of your process before beginning rather than accepting the build manual as gospel (until I hit some dead ends). Thank you for your comments on gapping, as how to properly allow for filler and paint has been something I've been scratching my head about; the goal being to have all gaps looking good AND functional after getting them back from the painter. I've been really surprised to find significant variations in the thickness of the filler/primer on the fuselage top in the vicinity of the tang recesses as delivered. I have one suggestion which may be helpful to others regarding the location of the hinges and their alignment. I happened to have a 6' length of 3/32" precision ground SS rod (from McMaster-Carr) which I temporarily substituted for the hinge pins while locating the hinge leaves on the tang. Used in conjunction w/ a straightedge, it really simplified alignment. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:03 PM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: English language certificates - UK My son has just received his new JAR PPL with Level 6 Language Proficiency added to the licence to be effective from 4th March 2008 (but sent on the 14th March). However I have not received mine although my CAA licence has been in existence for 12 years longer than his. Has anyone else (with a CAA licence) received a reissue? Surely this requirement was known months in advance so why have we not had our licences before the operational date? Does any one have an answer? It's a good job that i was not planning a foreign flight before now. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting From: Fred Klein On Friday, Mar 14, 2008, at 22:21 US/Pacific, josok wrote: > You have a habit of making me soo happy. Those doors took me 6 months. > Including the walk-away and see later days. Felt pretty stupid at > times too :-) So it's kind of nice to see that i am not the only one. > But once you are through this, fitting anything else is easy! It's > probably the doors stage that made people invent the 90% done 90% to > go rule. Eh, just keep at it, it's worth it! Thanks Jos...I appreciate your perspective as one who indeed persevered and found it to be worthwhile...yes, those walking away and see later days do add up...I feel I'm at one of those stages where one has to keep his eye on the ball even when you can't see the ball...Fred Actually Jos, that was yesterday...Today I managed to get my shoot bolts engaged in the fuselage for the first time...the hinges seem to work...and I have a hair line gap between top of fuselage and end of tang when the doors are closed! Now...if I can eliminate the 3/32" bulge at the middle of the port side door lower edge, I'll be a happy camper! Fred PS: Was not able to email you directly off-list...my computer sez there's something wrong w/ your address....(?) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:49 PM PST US From: TIMOTHY PHILIP WARD Subject: Re: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months Peter Congratulations Peter. Another Europa for the Kiwi sky and squadron!! Will catch up some time/place to see the Wilksch powered machine. Have a friend in England, another Peter who has built with the Wilksch. Good idea with the way fuel prices are going. All the best, Tim ZK-TIM Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton Christchurch. New Zealand Ph. 64 33515166 MOB 0210640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ---- From: p-a.austin Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2008 6:22:23 PM Subject: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months Near to the day from first lay-up to first flight for ZK-ZEB, all went well. Europa Classic #198. Wilksch Powered. Weight 960lbs. Peter. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:41 PM PST US From: "Peter Timm" Subject: Europa-List: Stefan Ingemarsson, e-mail address Hello All I am looking for the e-mail address of Stefan Ingemarsson in Sweden, who supposedly is in the business of manufacturing radiator hoses for Rotax powered Europas. The address I have is not working.Can anyone help? Peter Timm ----- Original Message ----- From: "rampil" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Convention Gear Europa > > Just another data point, > I've used the Jamar master cylinders for in operation for almost > 4 years without a problem. They were recommended by FlightCrafters > long before the factory gave in to hand brakes. The only change I've > made over the years is to increase the length of handle to increase > the mechanical advantage. My wheels and brakes are standard > Matco. > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170152#170152 > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 12:33 PM > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:16 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months It's hi time a Wilksch was flying, it was December '99 when the first engine lifted a Europa off the ground. (I was left seat and Mark Wilksch was right. It was foggy so we only went as high as 10 feet.)Can't believe its taken so long Just make sure CG is not too far forward so you don't run out of elevator authority on landing Graham TIMOTHY PHILIP WARD wrote: > > Peter > Congratulations Peter. Another Europa for the Kiwi sky and squadron!! Will catch up some time/place to see the Wilksch powered machine. Have a friend in England, another Peter who has built with the Wilksch. Good idea with the way fuel prices are going. > All the best, > > Tim > > ZK-TIM > > > > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street > Fendalton > Christchurch. > New Zealand > Ph. 64 33515166 > MOB 0210640221 > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: p-a.austin > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2008 6:22:23 PM > Subject: Europa-List: 11 Years 10 Months > > > Near to the day from first lay-up to first flight for ZK-ZEB, all went well. > > Europa Classic #198. > Wilksch Powered. > Weight 960lbs. > > Peter. > > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:33 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) I think Kingsley has Ted's drawings, ask him, it's fairly tricky. Ted will let you have them I'm sure Graham raggi6771 wrote: > > Graham, Kingsley Hurst has done the same mod to his classic mono > out a Taroom. Last time i was out there it was about 40c and his doors looked perfect. The way he had the pivot points set up for this the strut > seem to be providing a moderate amount of hold down pressure on the door. I believe I will do doing the same mod on mine. > > regards > > Craig > > Do not archive > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) From: Fred Klein Graham Singleton, Do you know whether or not the Ted Gladstone gas strut mod preceeded the factory Mod 66, or does it address issues which the factory mod does not solve? Fred On Saturday, Mar 15, 2008, at 16:00 US/Pacific, Graham Singleton wrote: > > are you aware of Ted Gladstones fix for this? His solution removes the > load from the door and the fuselage, which probably both move. > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: The trials of fitting From: Fred Klein On Saturday, Mar 15, 2008, at 09:00 US/Pacific, ALAN YERLY wrote: > Trials of fitting, in a word is craftsmanship. > - > Sometimes I heat-a door-to shape, -put a strap around the door > flexing it beyond where it needs to be and allow to cool and > refit-until it flits flawlessly.- It takes time, like steaming a wood > door. Bud, When in place within the fuselage rebates, both my doors "bulge" 3/32 of an inch when measured at the center of the bottom edge. The possibility of heat-forming them for a "flawless" fit did not occur to me. Would you opine as to whether or not heating and reforming the doors in my case is warranted, and, if so, what would be the recommended technique and what temperatures should be optimum? Thanks, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:36 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) Ted's is the most elegant design I've seen, pity the factory didn't take it up, it was offered but Andy was too busy at the time. The factory mod still strains the door (but lesas) Ted's does not. Graham Fred Klein wrote: > Graham Singleton, > > Do you know whether or not the Ted Gladstone gas strut mod preceeded the > factory Mod 66, or does it address issues which the factory mod does not > solve? > > Fred > > On Saturday, Mar 15, 2008, at 16:00 US/Pacific, Graham Singleton wrote: > >> >> are you aware of Ted Gladstones fix for this? His solution removes the >> load from the door and the fuselage, which probably both move. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:47 PM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stefan Ingemarsson, e-mail address You can reach Stefan on mail addres: ingemarsson.s@telia.com /Gert OY-GDS Den 16/03/2008 kl. 23.21 skrev Peter Timm: > > > Hello All > > I am looking for the e-mail address of Stefan Ingemarsson in Sweden, > who supposedly is in the business of manufacturing radiator hoses > for Rotax powered Europas. The address I have is not working.Can > anyone help? > > Peter Timm > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "rampil" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:37 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Convention Gear Europa > > >> >> Just another data point, >> I've used the Jamar master cylinders for in operation for almost >> 4 years without a problem. They were recommended by FlightCrafters >> long before the factory gave in to hand brakes. The only change I've >> made over the years is to increase the length of handle to increase >> the mechanical advantage. My wheels and brakes are standard >> Matco. >> >> -------- >> Ira N224XS >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170152#170152 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Checked by AVG. >> 12:33 PM >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:49 PM PST US From: "ROBERT LINDSAY" Subject: Europa-List: MONO-WHEEL GEAR RETRACTION Last month I wrote that I had landing gear retraction problems in an XS abo ut 7 years old and 400 hrs flight time. Several of you made useful suggest ions--mostly to tighten or replace the bungee. Thank you for your respones. On repair, this is what I found. I placed the aircraft up on jacks and removed the main wheel to make room t o work on the bungee. Before I started on the bungee I tried retraction to see if I could do it without the 25 lbs of wheel and brake. I could not-- even with someone else pushing on the swing arm. Closer examination reveal ed a wet looking hydraulic damper on the right side. But even more interes ting was just a little bit of the polyurethane shock block squeezed out on the right side--and it was evident that it was rubbing on the swing arm as it neared full retraction. I removed and replaced both dampers and the sho ck block. The wet looking damper had little resistance. I also replaced t he EUR 026 bolt that goes through the top of the dampers because it was sli ghtly bent also on the right side. Before I replaced the shock block/dampe r assembly I tightened the bungees which wasn't too difficult working alone with adequate space and a little wedge to hold the bungee as I worked alon g the loops. (Thanks Kim Prout!) Also while I was there I removed the Matco parking brake because it had not been holding. At first I was just going to change to the spare channel on the Matco but the replacement of O-rings is easy and cheap (Matcomfg.com). Everything reassembled, I was ready for the big test. Surprise. The outri ggers did not fully retract. I removed the speed fairings and found that b oth push rods (OR5) were very badly bent and jamming on the outboard W21 si de plates. Furthermore, the slots in the push rods were badly gouged in on e spot as if the full length of the slot was not being used. I replaced t he push rods, lublicated appropriately and tried retraction once more. Wor ked better than ever--just as advertised. One advantage of having operational problems is that after overcoming them, one can be more astute in pre-flight inspections. Bob Lindsay A 077 Gillespie Field, KSEE San Diego CA ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:41 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) fellow Builders And I am happe that I have used Kingsley's drawings to use Ted's mod on my doors - but at the rate I am going, it will be a while until I see them work on an aerodrome! JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 with mods in Oz do not archive ---- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trials of Fitting (doors) > > > I think Kingsley has Ted's drawings, ask him, it's fairly tricky. Ted will > let you have them I'm sure > Graham > > raggi6771 wrote: >> >> Graham, Kingsley Hurst has done the same mod to his classic mono >> out a Taroom. Last time i was out there it was about 40c and his doors >> looked perfect. The way he had the pivot points set up for this the strut >> seem to be providing a moderate amount of hold down pressure on the door. >> I believe I will do doing the same mod on mine. >> >> regards >> >> Craig >> >> Do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Graham Singleton > > Tel: +441629820187 > Mob: +447739582005 > > > -- > Date: 16/03/2008 10:34 AM > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.