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1. 08:08 AM - Re: Trike Main gear sockets (Gary Leinberger)
2. 10:59 AM - Re: Trike Main gear sockets (Karl Heindl)
3. 01:52 PM - Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication ()
4. 02:07 PM - technical MayDay (Fergus Kyle)
5. 02:25 PM - Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication (craig bastin)
6. 02:25 PM - Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication (josok)
7. 02:29 PM - Re: Trike Main gear sockets (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
8. 02:31 PM - Re: technical MayDay (josok)
9. 02:46 PM - Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication ()
10. 02:46 PM - Technical MayDay (Fergus Kyle)
11. 02:49 PM - Re: technical MayDay ()
12. 02:54 PM - Re: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point (karelvranken)
13. 02:54 PM - Re: technical MayDay (Jerry Rehn)
14. 05:18 PM - Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication (Graham Singleton)
15. 05:41 PM - Re: technical MayDay (Gilles Thesee)
16. 05:42 PM - Re: Wing Dolly (Graham Singleton)
17. 05:46 PM - Re: Wing Dolly (Graham Singleton)
18. 06:11 PM - Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Trike Main gear sockets |
I spent a great deal of time trying to engineer a vernier type setting
for adjusting the toe in - but after discussing it with several people
was told it works out - normally - my fear is when I do it I may not get
it just right and have tracking problems - maybe the way to adjust it is
to use creative landings - a friend of mine (to be un-named) managed to
bend his - of course this would only work in one direction - :-) -
Oin the interest of getting this thing done prior to receiving my first
social security check I am going to go with the manueal and measure
about fifty times -
Gary Leinberger
A237
Slow and Unsteady
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:46 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
--> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Michael
IMHO there has been insufficient attention paid to this question of
loaded toe in. G-PTAG is too heavy on tyre wear and when winched
backwards up the trailer ramps the reverse toe is really excessive. I
last used washing up soap on the ramps which shows the tyre scrubbing
instead of deforming.
It almost calls for a control system at the top of the gear legs to be
able to "vernier" the toe setting?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Grass
Sent: 27 March 2008 00:52
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
Duncan,
I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the plane
is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gear will flex
out (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I will be
able to
measure it but definatly will try once the plane is loaded but this will
still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get the wings closed
and all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in.
Regards
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear Detroit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Michael,
> Any thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes once the
> weight of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been set-up to
> zero toe-in/toe-out)?
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>
>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> The complaint I have is to myself that I do not find the time to do
more
>> building. I enjoy time spend on my plane. The point I tried to make
is
>> that
>> the builder spend quite some time on the web for the main gear
sockets.
>> Even without the top on you spend a lot time bending over.
>> Building should be fun. It is more fun if you work smart and try to
have
>> as
>> easy access as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy. What
you
>> don't want is therapy after time spend building so work smart and
enjoy
>> the
>> quality time spend with your project.
>>
>> What I did, I used bondo and stuck 5 reference points to the garage
>> floor. 3
>> along the centerline of the fuselage. One in the front, one in the
center
>> of
>> the main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all lined up
and
>> on
>> the exact same height and in level along a line.
>>
>> Then I bonded with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to the
>> floor.
>> Again made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the center
>> line
>> and on the same
>> level.
>>
>> After that I rolled my fuselage cradle over those points and used M12
>> threaded rod as a height adjustment to level the fuselage over my 3
>> reference points along the center line and clamped the main gear legs
>> into
>> position.
>>
>> This kept the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in place.
>>
>> I kept this setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on.
Nothing
>> moved and all is plum, squared and level.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Michael Grass
>> A266 Trigear, Detroit
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>
>>
<rob@hyperion-ef.com>
>>>
>>> We cuss a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rob Housman
>>> Irvine, CA
>>> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>>> A070
>>> Airframe complete
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
>>> Grass
>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>
<m.grass@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Craig,
>>>
>>> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can not
imagine
>>> how
>>> peope do this with the top and no frequent vistits to the
chiropractor.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Michael Grass
>>>
>>> A266, 914, Woodcomp prop,
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "raggi6771" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>
>>>
<craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>>>>
>>>> Just curious, how many of you fitted the main gear leg sockets
before
>>>> you bonded the top on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Checked by AVG.
25/03/2008 19:17
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| Subject: | Trike Main gear sockets |
Gary,
I think you are right, but then every Europa is a little different. I follo
wed the manual very carefully, and have not experienced any real problems,
not with tracking anyway. The tire wear is on the outer edge, and when the
profile has worn off I reverse the tires to wear the other side. I may do t
his a couple more times and in theory the tires will actually last longer t
han with symmetric wear.
The original tires didn't last very long as the rubber was much softer and
there is no steel re-enforcement. I now have Michelins.
Karl<html><div></div>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear soc
kets> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:50 -0400> From: Gary.Leinberger@millersv
ille.edu> To: europa-list@matronics.com> > --> Europa-List message posted b
y: "Gary Leinberger" <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>> > I spent a great
deal of time trying to engineer a vernier type setting> for adjusting the t
oe in - but after discussing it with several people> was told it works out
- normally - my fear is when I do it I may not get> it just right and have
tracking problems - maybe the way to adjust it is> to use creative landings
- a friend of mine (to be un-named) managed to> bend his - of course this
would only work in one direction - :-) - > > Oin the interest of getting th
is thing done prior to receiving my first> social security check I am going
to go with the manueal and measure> about fifty times - > > > Gary Leinber
ger > A237 > Slow and Unsteady > > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-
europa-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of Robert C> Harrison> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:46
AM> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main ge
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>> > Hi! Michael> IMHO there has been insufficient a
ttention paid to this question of> loaded toe in. G-PTAG is too heavy on ty
re wear and when winched> backwards up the trailer ramps the reverse toe is
really excessive. I> last used washing up soap on the ramps which shows th
e tyre scrubbing> instead of deforming.> It almost calls for a control syst
em at the top of the gear legs to be> able to "vernier" the toe setting?> R
egards> Bob Harrison G-PTAG> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-euro
pa-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.co
m] On Behalf Of Michael> Grass> Sent: 27 March 2008 00:52> To: europa-list@
matronics.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets> > --> Eur
opa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>> > Duncan
,> > I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the pla
ne> is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gear will flex>
out (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I will be> able
to> > measure it but definatly will try once the plane is loaded but this w
ill> > still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get the wings close
d> and all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in.> > Regards> > Mic
hael Grass> A266 Trigear Detroit> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Dunc
an & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>> To: <europa-list@matro
nics.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM> Subject: Re: Europa-List:
& Ami McFadyean" > > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>> >> > Michael,> > Any
thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes once the> > > wei
ght of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been set-up to> > > ze
ro toe-in/toe-out)?> >> > Duncan McF.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > F
rom: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>> > To: <europa-list@matronics.co
m>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tr
ike Main gear sockets> >> >> >> Hi Rob,> >>> >> The complaint I have is to
myself that I do not find the time to do> more> >> building. I enjoy time s
pend on my plane. The point I tried to make> is > >> that> >> the builder s
pend quite some time on the web for the main gear> sockets.> >> Even withou
t the top on you spend a lot time bending over.> >> Building should be fun.
It is more fun if you work smart and try to> have > >> as> >> easy access
as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy. What> you> >> don't wan
t is therapy after time spend building so work smart and> enjoy > >> the> >
> quality time spend with your project.> >>> >> What I did, I used bondo an
d stuck 5 reference points to the garage > >> floor. 3> >> along the center
line of the fuselage. One in the front, one in the> center > >> of> >> the
main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all lined up> and > >>
on> >> the exact same height and in level along a line.> >>> >> Then I bond
ed with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to the > >> floor.> >> Ag
ain made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the center> > >> l
ine> >> and on the same> >> level.> >>> >> After that I rolled my fuselage
cradle over those points and used M12> >> threaded rod as a height adjustme
nt to level the fuselage over my 3> >> reference points along the center li
ne and clamped the main gear legs> > >> into> >> position.> >>> >> This kep
t the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in place.> >>> >> I kept thi
s setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on.> Nothing> >> moved an
d all is plum, squared and level.> >>> >>> >>> >> Regards> >>> >>> >> Micha
el Grass> >> A266 Trigear, Detroit> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >
> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>> >> To: <europa-list@matronics.
com>> >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM> >> Subject: RE: Europa-List
Rob Housman"> <rob@hyperion-ef.com>> >>>> >>> We cuss a lot.> >>>> >>>> >>>
Best regards,> >>>> >>> Rob Housman> >>> Irvine, CA> >>> Europa XS Tri-Gea
r> >>> A070> >>> Airframe complete> >>>> >>> -----Original Message-----> >>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> >>> [mailto:owner-europa-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael> > >>> Grass> >>> Sent: Monda
y, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM> >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com> >>> Subject:
Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets> >>>> >>> --> Europa-List message
posted by: "Michael Grass"> <m.grass@comcast.net>> >>>> >>> Craig,> >>>> >>
> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can not> imagine>
>>> how> >>> peope do this with the top and no frequent vistits to the> ch
iropractor.> >>>> >>> Regards> >>>> >>> Michael Grass> >>>> >>> A266, 914,
Woodcomp prop,> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "raggi677
1" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>> >>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>> >>> Sent:
Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM> >>> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Main gear
raigb@onthenet.com.au>> >>>>> >>>> Just curious, how many of you fitted the
main gear leg sockets> before> >>>> you bonded the top on.> >>>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 25/03/2008 19:1
======> > >
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| Subject: | Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication |
Those who have gone before,
Currently attempting to fabricate the forward shoot bolt push rods (10mm Al
rod with slots, flats and cross drilled holes). Pride is keeping me from
taking it to a machine shop and having done quickly and 'properly'.
I am curious as to how others have cut the slots. Hack saw is too narrow
with insufficient control. Belt sander inside the hack saw slit is proving
much to slow in material removal. Thinking about rotary abrasive wheel...
Any creative suggestions for making the slot other than a vertical mill?
Thanks in advance!
Cleve Lee
A198 Mono XS Jabiru 3300
Currently in Market Harborough UK
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| Subject: | technical MayDay |
Hello,
I'm at the wiring stage and have a fascinating white cable with 5
marvellous tiny wires emanating therefrom. There's a pair of whites, a
white/green, white/red and white/blue. I just know it's the cable from the
pitch trim motor, 'way back there in the tail.
The trouble is I've lost the circuit diagram - or let's say it's in
safe-keeping. I could stumble around and screw up the carefully-organized
central position in trying to divine the proper wiring, or I could make a
clumsy appeal for a copy from another builder.
I have chosen the latter...................please. Just so I don't
get all 900 of them kindly advise here first and will confirm the need.
There's the promise of a pint of the best for the treasured winner - the
promise.
Regards, Ferg
VE3LVO@rac.ca
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| Subject: | Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication |
if you have the slot already there, then would suggest, about a 2mm drill
bit and drill a series of holes along the slot to open it up enough
to get a thin file in there, if you get one with teeth on the side it may
make life easier, alternatively an alloy or stainless blade for a jigsaw
would work too, but harder to control than a file
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
clevelee@earthlink.net
Sent: Friday, 28 March 2008 6:51 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication
Those who have gone before,
Currently attempting to fabricate the forward shoot bolt push rods (10mm
Al rod with slots, flats and cross drilled holes). Pride is keeping me from
taking it to a machine shop and having done quickly and 'properly'.
I am curious as to how others have cut the slots. Hack saw is too narrow
with insufficient control. Belt sander inside the hack saw slit is proving
much to slow in material removal. Thinking about rotary abrasive wheel...
Any creative suggestions for making the slot other than a vertical mill?
Thanks in advance!
Cleve Lee
A198 Mono XS Jabiru 3300
Currently in Market Harborough UK
Checked by AVG.
6:50 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication |
Hi Cleve,
You will get a lot of answers on this one. first of all: There is an update in
the manual, slots are no longer advised, it's flattened ends now. But i am still
proud of the hand filing i did. Lots of sweat and some blisters, but kind of
nice to do.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Trike Main gear sockets |
Michael,
I was curious because tire wear on the trigear seems to be quite high.
If the tracking changes greatly under load it would suggest that setting up
initially with some compensatory toe-in/out would be beneficial.
No good to you by then!
Reds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>
> Duncan,
>
> I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the plane
> is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gear will flex out
> (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I will be able to
> measure it but definatly will try once the plane is loaded but this will
> still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get the wings closed and
> all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigear Detroit
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>
>
>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> Michael,
>> Any thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes once the
>> weight of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been set-up to
>> zero toe-in/toe-out)?
>>
>> Duncan McF.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>
>>
>>> Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> The complaint I have is to myself that I do not find the time to do more
>>> building. I enjoy time spend on my plane. The point I tried to make is
>>> that
>>> the builder spend quite some time on the web for the main gear sockets.
>>> Even without the top on you spend a lot time bending over.
>>> Building should be fun. It is more fun if you work smart and try to have
>>> as
>>> easy access as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy. What you
>>> don't want is therapy after time spend building so work smart and enjoy
>>> the
>>> quality time spend with your project.
>>>
>>> What I did, I used bondo and stuck 5 reference points to the garage
>>> floor. 3
>>> along the centerline of the fuselage. One in the front, one in the
>>> center of
>>> the main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all lined up and
>>> on
>>> the exact same height and in level along a line.
>>>
>>> Then I bonded with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to the
>>> floor.
>>> Again made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the center
>>> line
>>> and on the same
>>> level.
>>>
>>> After that I rolled my fuselage cradle over those points and used M12
>>> threaded rod as a height adjustment to level the fuselage over my 3
>>> reference points along the center line and clamped the main gear legs
>>> into
>>> position.
>>>
>>> This kept the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in place.
>>>
>>> I kept this setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on. Nothing
>>> moved and all is plum, squared and level.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Grass
>>> A266 Trigear, Detroit
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
>>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> We cuss a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rob Housman
>>>> Irvine, CA
>>>> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>>>> A070
>>>> Airframe complete
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> Grass
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM
>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>>
>>>> <m.grass@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Craig,
>>>>
>>>> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can not imagine
>>>> how
>>>> peope do this with the top and no frequent vistits to the chiropractor.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michael Grass
>>>>
>>>> A266, 914, Woodcomp prop,
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "raggi6771" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>>>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious, how many of you fitted the main gear leg sockets before
>>>>> you bonded the top on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: technical MayDay |
I will take the pint. It's so simple, you don't need a diagram. Connect the white
wires to the white wires of the trim switch. Connect the other wires to the
same colors on the trim indicator. That leaves you with some black and red wires
on the trim switch and on the indicator. Connect the red ones to your 1 A
fuse or breaker, and the black ones to ground.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication |
Hi Cleve
"I am curious as to how others have cut the slots"
I think the Factory is now providing flat stock as used in the shoulder
with modification, take a look at the latest install manual online, and of
shoulder width mod instructions.
I have in mine the poor quality round rods. I have 2 milling machines, but
instead of milling out a slot that will be not very strong, I milled a
flat on each side of the rod, and riveted 2 pieces of flat 2024 aluminium
on each side of the rod. One place to get material is www.mcmaster.com or
Aircraft Spruce. 6061T6 should work, easier to cut and machine, I had some
2024 laying around. Thx. for the tip Nev! I used a mill, did it incline so
there was a nice radius, you could in short order do it by filing.
Sorry I don't have any pictures.
To visualize, take your pinky and put a 2" long Popsicle stick on the top
of your pinky overlapping your pinky by 1", then put another 2" stick on
the bottom of your pinky. The 1" sticking out would of course be your
fork!
Don't make a sharp 90 degree corner where flat transitions to rod, it will
be a stress riser, make it 1/8" radius or larger.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Technical MayDay |
Jos Okhuijsen came through in no time at all with the answer to my
quest. Please disregard the topic.
Thanks, Jos
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: technical MayDay |
Hi Ferg
"or I could make a clumsy appeal for a copy from another builder"
Try from the horses mouth:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACinfo/downloadpg.html
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point |
Bob,
Your lousey photos are non figuratif artefacts and it doesn't matter if we
don't understand what you mean.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Again Alan
> I missed your question but have picked up your thread from the System
> notification.
> The tufnel slide has a step in it to keep the spa aligned but also it is
> a little rounded.
> My best aid is the ramps I welded on the starboard socket since provided
> the port tip is directed aft wards (therefore keeping the spa tight to
> the starboard seat back) the port spa has to engage the socket since the
> ramps automatically guide the spa tip home to the socket.
> I think the pictures are still on John Cliffs web page
> http://www.crix.org.uk ....under G-PTAG "Rigging aids" But they are
> lousey photos!
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert C Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: 24 March 2008 15:14
> To: 'europa-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point
>
> Hi! Alan
> I mused about this problem when I built my wing dolly and also since
> having used it often. However when I rig with a helper, who initially
> handles the tip, when I take over the tip end from him having engaged
> the spar, I lift the tip trailing edge with one hand until he is out of
> the way, so my thoughts are that the tip end C of G is in fact behind
> the trailing edge (in fresh air!) when the root end of the wing is
> supported by the spar.
> In other words you can not make the dolly to fit the C of G. I plumped
> for approx. mid chord for the pivot.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of milnera
> Sent: 24 March 2008 12:41
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point
>
> <alan_milner@totalise.co.uk>
>
> I had hoped for an Easter weekend in Cornwall, but with snow, rain,
> gales and generally miserable weather I thought I'd make up some wing
> dolleys to aid self rigging.
>
> I've pretty much copied the design used by many; essentially two layups
> clamped around the tip, hinged on the underside and supported by a two
> wheeled metal frame the pivots to allow the wing to move from vertical
> to horizontal. The layups are curing now in this tropical heat so they
> should be ready by next Easter :)
>
> Anyone who has been using a similar design, can you suggest where to put
> the pivot point for a trigear wing? I planned to balance it so it's
> slightly leading-edge heavy. It would then fall to the vertical for
> storage and when wheeling it around.
>
> Any comments from experience most welcome. I haven't built the frame
> yet.
>
> Alan
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 23/03/2008 18:50
>
>
>
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| Subject: | technical MayDay |
Ferg
It's been a while so I pulled out the diagram and it shows the orange
(red?), green and blue going to the position trim indicator and the two
whites to the trim switch. You can hook it up and use a 9 volt battery to
see if all is working. Then change wires to get things moving the directions
you want if need be. If you have a basic Rotax electrical wiring diagram it
is often illustrated there and you can see where to make the power
connections as well. Good luck.
Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Europa-List: technical MayDay
Hello,
I'm at the wiring stage and have a fascinating white cable with 5
marvellous tiny wires emanating therefrom. There's a pair of whites, a
white/green, white/red and white/blue. I just know it's the cable from the
pitch trim motor, 'way back there in the tail.
The trouble is I've lost the circuit diagram - or let's say it's in
safe-keeping. I could stumble around and screw up the carefully-organized
central position in trying to divine the proper wiring, or I could make a
clumsy appeal for a copy from another builder.
I have chosen the latter...................please. Just so I don't
get all 900 of them kindly advise here first and will confirm the need.
There's the promise of a pint of the best for the treasured winner - the
promise.
Regards, Ferg
VE3LVO@rac.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication |
Cleve
attached is a pik of Paul McAllister's door push rod. We did those by
hand one Wisconsin winter
Graham
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
> Hi Cleve
>
> Sorry I don't have any pictures.
>
> To visualize, take your pinky and put a 2" long Popsicle stick on the top
> of your pinky overlapping your pinky by 1",
> Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: technical MayDay |
Fergus Kyle a crit :
>
> Hello,
> I'm at the wiring stage and have a fascinating white cable with 5
> marvellous tiny wires emanating therefrom. There's a pair of whites, a
> white/green, white/red and white/blue. I just know it's the cable from the
> pitch trim motor, 'way back there in the tail.
> The trouble is I've lost the circuit diagram - or let's say it's in
> safe-keeping. I could stumble around and screw up the carefully-organized
> central position in trying to divine the proper wiring, or I could make a
> clumsy appeal for a copy from another builder.
Fergus,
Would this qualify for the pin ?
http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/instructionsT2andT3.pdf
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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William, Karel
Andreas Doblhoff from Vienna did it a long time ago, here are some piks.
Very elegant solution. <andreas.doblhoff-dier@nbg.at>
Graham
William Daniell wrote:
> Excellent, thanks Will
>
>
>
> -
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William
more pix
Graham
William Daniell wrote:
> Excellent, thanks Will
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Iddon
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2007 08:59
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Wing Dolly
>
>
>
> Pics attached.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William
> Daniell
> *Sent:* 23 May 2007 13:14
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: trailer wing support profile.
>
>
>
> Can anyone send me a design for a self rig dollyor tell me where to get
> one please?
>
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 22/05/2007 15:49
>
>
> 22/05/2007 15:49
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication |
Cleve,
With only a minimal tool inventory, I did some head-scratching, then I
marked the slot w/ a sharpie pen, drilled a hole at the end of the
slot, and proceeded to hacksaw TWO cuts which left a sliver at the
center of the slot which falls away. A few minutes w/ a small flat
file dressed it up fine. It was much easier than I thought it would be.
Happily, that was the case because after trial fitting, I was not
getting the shoot bolt penetration I needed as my forward rods were too
short, and ended up making a second set.
Good luck,
Fred
On Thursday, Mar 27, 2008, at 12:50 US/Pacific,
<clevelee@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Those who have gone before,
> -
> Currently attempting to fabricate the forward shoot bolt push rods
> (10mm Al rod with slots, flats and cross drilled holes).- Pride is
> keeping me from taking it to a machine shop and having done quickly
> and 'properly'.--
> -
> I am curious as to how others have cut the slots. Hack saw is too
> narrow with insufficient control.- Belt sander inside the hack saw
> slit is proving much to slow in material removal.- Thinking about
> rotary abrasive wheel...----Any creative suggestions for making t
he
> slot other than a vertical mill?
> -
> Thanks in advance!
> -
> Cleve Lee
> A198 Mono XS- Jabiru 3300
> Currently in Market Harborough UK
> -
> -
>
>
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