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1. 01:46 AM - Re: Trike Main gear sockets (Robert C Harrison)
2. 01:48 AM - Re: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point (Robert C Harrison)
3. 03:14 AM - leaks on cooling system (yannick laurens)
4. 04:44 AM - Re: leaks on cooling system (Trevpond@aol.com)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication (Raimo Toivio)
6. 08:02 PM - Sagety slogan2 (Fergus Kyle)
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| Subject: | Trike Main gear sockets |
Hi! Duncan ....I can confirm that ! I requested some assistance about 7
years ago none was forthcoming but I wasn't brave enough to do my own
thing, so now I'm keeping the tyre company afloat ! However my gut
feeling is that the toe in doesn't change but the legs spring outwards.
This means that on touch down the oustide of the tyres take the
"accelerating wheel speed up" this results in outside tyre wear being
far greater than the inside and coupled with toe in wear on the outside
it indicates that probably the angle of the legs could have spread the
wear better. Once set it means changing the tyres round at 50% wear.
Regards
Bob Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan &
Ami McFadyean
Sent: 27 March 2008 21:26
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Michael,
I was curious because tire wear on the trigear seems to be quite high.
If the tracking changes greatly under load it would suggest that setting
up
initially with some compensatory toe-in/out would be beneficial.
No good to you by then!
Reds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
<m.grass@comcast.net>
>
> Duncan,
>
> I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the
plane
> is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gear will flex
out
> (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I will be able
to
> measure it but definatly will try once the plane is loaded but this
will
> still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get the wings closed
and
> all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigear Detroit
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>
>
>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> Michael,
>> Any thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes once
the
>> weight of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been set-up
to
>> zero toe-in/toe-out)?
>>
>> Duncan McF.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>
>>
>>> Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> The complaint I have is to myself that I do not find the time to do
more
>>> building. I enjoy time spend on my plane. The point I tried to make
is
>>> that
>>> the builder spend quite some time on the web for the main gear
sockets.
>>> Even without the top on you spend a lot time bending over.
>>> Building should be fun. It is more fun if you work smart and try to
have
>>> as
>>> easy access as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy. What
you
>>> don't want is therapy after time spend building so work smart and
enjoy
>>> the
>>> quality time spend with your project.
>>>
>>> What I did, I used bondo and stuck 5 reference points to the garage
>>> floor. 3
>>> along the centerline of the fuselage. One in the front, one in the
>>> center of
>>> the main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all lined up
and
>>> on
>>> the exact same height and in level along a line.
>>>
>>> Then I bonded with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to the
>>> floor.
>>> Again made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the
center
>>> line
>>> and on the same
>>> level.
>>>
>>> After that I rolled my fuselage cradle over those points and used
M12
>>> threaded rod as a height adjustment to level the fuselage over my 3
>>> reference points along the center line and clamped the main gear
legs
>>> into
>>> position.
>>>
>>> This kept the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in place.
>>>
>>> I kept this setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on.
Nothing
>>> moved and all is plum, squared and level.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Grass
>>> A266 Trigear, Detroit
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
>>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>
>>>
<rob@hyperion-ef.com>
>>>>
>>>> We cuss a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rob Housman
>>>> Irvine, CA
>>>> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>>>> A070
>>>> Airframe complete
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Michael
>>>> Grass
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM
>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>>
>>>> <m.grass@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Craig,
>>>>
>>>> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can not
imagine
>>>> how
>>>> peope do this with the top and no frequent vistits to the
chiropractor.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michael Grass
>>>>
>>>> A266, 914, Woodcomp prop,
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "raggi6771" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>>>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious, how many of you fitted the main gear leg sockets
before
>>>>> you bonded the top on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Checked by AVG.
26/03/2008 18:50
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| Subject: | Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point |
Karel, Seriously now! Do you need a better description ?
Regards
Bob H
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
karelvranken
Sent: 27 March 2008 21:51
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point
<karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Bob,
Your lousey photos are non figuratif artefacts and it doesn't matter if
we
don't understand what you mean.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Again Alan
> I missed your question but have picked up your thread from the System
> notification.
> The tufnel slide has a step in it to keep the spa aligned but also it
is
> a little rounded.
> My best aid is the ramps I welded on the starboard socket since
provided
> the port tip is directed aft wards (therefore keeping the spa tight to
> the starboard seat back) the port spa has to engage the socket since
the
> ramps automatically guide the spa tip home to the socket.
> I think the pictures are still on John Cliffs web page
> http://www.crix.org.uk ....under G-PTAG "Rigging aids" But they are
> lousey photos!
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert C Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: 24 March 2008 15:14
> To: 'europa-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point
>
> Hi! Alan
> I mused about this problem when I built my wing dolly and also since
> having used it often. However when I rig with a helper, who initially
> handles the tip, when I take over the tip end from him having engaged
> the spar, I lift the tip trailing edge with one hand until he is out
of
> the way, so my thoughts are that the tip end C of G is in fact behind
> the trailing edge (in fresh air!) when the root end of the wing is
> supported by the spar.
> In other words you can not make the dolly to fit the C of G. I plumped
> for approx. mid chord for the pivot.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of milnera
> Sent: 24 March 2008 12:41
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Wing dolley - where to put the pivot point
>
> <alan_milner@totalise.co.uk>
>
> I had hoped for an Easter weekend in Cornwall, but with snow, rain,
> gales and generally miserable weather I thought I'd make up some wing
> dolleys to aid self rigging.
>
> I've pretty much copied the design used by many; essentially two
layups
> clamped around the tip, hinged on the underside and supported by a two
> wheeled metal frame the pivots to allow the wing to move from vertical
> to horizontal. The layups are curing now in this tropical heat so
they
> should be ready by next Easter :)
>
> Anyone who has been using a similar design, can you suggest where to
put
> the pivot point for a trigear wing? I planned to balance it so it's
> slightly leading-edge heavy. It would then fall to the vertical for
> storage and when wheeling it around.
>
> Any comments from experience most welcome. I haven't built the frame
> yet.
>
> Alan
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 23/03/2008 18:50
>
>
>
--
Checked by AVG.
26/03/2008 18:50
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| Subject: | leaks on cooling system |
I have small leaks on the radiator connections, and tightening the
clamp has no effect. does somebody has the right solution ?
thanks for
FPSCZ
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| Subject: | Re: leaks on cooling system |
Hi there,
Are you using Evans?
I have just had to change my Radiator Hoses after 150 hours using Evans - it
seemed to soften them and developed a leak on the ends - tightening the
clips didn't achieve anything. The hoses had expanded before the clamps and had
gone "Squishy".
Hoses have been changed and Evans flushed out and replaced with 50/50 glycol
mix and all is now well again.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication |
Fred,
thank you for a nice memory like a short daytime movie for me.
That was EXACTLY what I did including a 2nd set.
It was quite challenging but real fun.
I was worried about those thin slot sides but so far they are ok.
Raimo OH-XRT
http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/jami_07/europa/
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Klein
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door shoot bolt pushrod fabrication
Cleve,
With only a minimal tool inventory, I did some head-scratching, then I
marked the slot w/ a sharpie pen, drilled a hole at the end of the slot,
and proceeded to hacksaw TWO cuts which left a sliver at the center of
the slot which falls away. A few minutes w/ a small flat file dressed it
up fine. It was much easier than I thought it would be. Happily, that
was the case because after trial fitting, I was not getting the shoot
bolt penetration I needed as my forward rods were too short, and ended
up making a second set.
Good luck,
Fred
On Thursday, Mar 27, 2008, at 12:50 US/Pacific,
<clevelee@earthlink.net> wrote:
Those who have gone before,
Currently attempting to fabricate the forward shoot bolt push rods
(10mm Al rod with slots, flats and cross drilled holes). Pride is
keeping me from taking it to a machine shop and having done quickly and
'properly'.
I am curious as to how others have cut the slots. Hack saw is too
narrow with insufficient control. Belt sander inside the hack saw slit
is proving much to slow in material removal. Thinking about rotary
abrasive wheel... Any creative suggestions for making the slot other
than a vertical mill?
Thanks in advance!
Cleve Lee
A198 Mono XS Jabiru 3300
Currently in Market Harborough UK
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Sorry, wrong addressee. The movie would have been stripped.
F
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