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Mon 03/31/08


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 12:48 AM - Re: leaks on cooling system (Robert C Harrison)
     2. 06:36 AM - Rotax approved oils (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
     3. 07:24 AM - Re: Rotax approved oils (Robert Borger)
     4. 02:26 PM - Re: Trike Main gear sockets (Gary Leinberger)
     5. 05:36 PM - Re: Trike Main gear sockets (Robert C Harrison)
     6. 05:49 PM - Re: FW: A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul (Alan Burrows)
     7. 07:15 PM - Re: Trike Main gear sockets (Karl Heindl)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:48:26 AM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: leaks on cooling system
    Hi! Ferg/Ron/all Courtesy Ivor Phillips I've used the same spring clamps which are Vauxall motor parts. However I also used the "remote applicator" from Halfords which I found needed a slight lip up stand welding to it to prevent the spring clips flying out so easily. It was also necessary to remove (dremel cutter) the "stop tag" from the clip to open them enough to get over Ivor's slightly larger diameter pipes. I had to resort to using a jubilee screw clip on the water pump connection pipe since it is a stubby piece of pipe of insufficient length to accommodate the wide band spring clips. I will say that these spring clips are far more professional than the original jubilee screw clips and the remote applicator allows access where it's impossible to get two hands at the same time. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 31 March 2008 05:38 Subject: Re: Europa-List: leaks on cooling system Hi Ferg " I followed the discussion and found solace in spring band clamps per > McMaster-Carr page 252 bottom, and the pliers suggested thereto. Is this > what the conference is on? I have to move the two forward coolant lines, > starboard side to accommodate the SD20 alternator and hope these satisfy the > need........ > Did you do this?" I didn't yet do final install of 914. When I had it hung temporary, I ordered clamps I thought I would need. Will use spring band clamps on all coolant connections. I can't remember exactly which clamps I got from McMaster, but they I think only carry the very wide ones, and they also were missing exact size I needed for some. I too ordered the pliers, very good investment. Best wear goggles when doing install, if one ever failed or slipped out of pliers it has easy potential of blinding you. I fooled with other than purpose built pliers, far more dangerous. I supplemented McMaster clamps with Rotor clip order. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 06:36:57 AM PST US
    From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
    Subject: Rotax approved oils
    Greetings team, I received the following response from Dean at Lockwood's Aerotechnical Institute regarding Pennzoil and it's apparent drop from the Rotax approved oils list. I've been given permission to post his response here. Apparently, Pennzoil 3888 still meets all the Rotax requirements, but is being discontinued by Pennzoil's new owner, Shell. Shell is about to release a new oil that is more specifically formulated for the Rotax 9xx series. Dean sent another update on this to me this morning. He said he'd learned over the weekend that it won't be months and months before the new oil is released, but rather in fairly short order, although he didn't give a specific date for release. Anyway, hope this helps clear some of the fog regarding Pennzoil and Rotax. Regards, John Lawton Whitwell, TN (TN89) N245E - Flying >From Dean at Aerotechnical Institute: >>>>Hi John, True, Pennzoil Motorcycle oil has been removed from the recommended list. That doesn't mean, however, that it is being recommended against. It still meets the requirements in the Service Instruction for oil selection. Why was it removed? Rotax hasn't given us an answer, but here are a couple hints. There are several more Shell oils on the list that weren't there before, and Shell oil now owns Pennzoil. You can put 2 and 2 together. Shell is telling us that they will be coming out with a new oil for the Rotax 9xx engines. It will be several months, however, so in the mean time, we are still recommending Pennzoil Motorcycle oil for those who don't want to use Mobil 1 Racing 4T or V-Twin. Does that help? Dean<<<< **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)


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    Time: 07:24:55 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax approved oils
    John, Thanks for the update! Sounds like some good news on the oils front. Do not archive Good building and great flying, Bob Borger On Monday, March 31, 2008, at 08:50AM, <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com> wrote: >Greetings team, > >I received the following response from Dean at Lockwood's Aerotechnical >Institute regarding Pennzoil and it's apparent drop from the Rotax approved oils >list. I've been given permission to post his response here. Apparently, >Pennzoil 3888 still meets all the Rotax requirements, but is being discontinued by >Pennzoil's new owner, Shell. Shell is about to release a new oil that is more > specifically formulated for the Rotax 9xx series. Dean sent another update >on this to me this morning. He said he'd learned over the weekend that it >won't be months and months before the new oil is released, but rather in fairly >short order, although he didn't give a specific date for release. > >Anyway, hope this helps clear some of the fog regarding Pennzoil and Rotax. > >Regards, > >John Lawton >Whitwell, TN (TN89) >N245E - Flying > >>From Dean at Aerotechnical Institute: > >>>>>Hi John, > >True, Pennzoil Motorcycle oil has been removed from the recommended list. >That doesn't mean, however, that it is being recommended against. It still >meets the requirements in the Service Instruction for oil selection. > >Why was it removed? Rotax hasn't given us an answer, but here are a couple >hints. There are several more Shell oils on the list that weren't there >before, and Shell oil now owns Pennzoil. You can put 2 and 2 together. > >Shell is telling us that they will be coming out with a new oil for the >Rotax 9xx engines. It will be several months, however, so in the mean time, >we are still recommending Pennzoil Motorcycle oil for those who don't want >to use Mobil 1 Racing 4T or V-Twin. > >Does that help? >Dean<<<< > > >**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL >Home. >(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >


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    Time: 02:26:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Trike Main gear sockets
    From: "Gary Leinberger" <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>
    I think you are correct - given the nature of the Europa beast - trying to make the wheels square and toed in properly, given you build it without the engine weight in it, and with no adjustment - the cost of new tires is just the way it is - gl ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets Gary, I think you are right, but then every Europa is a little different. I followed the manual very carefully, and have not experienced any real problems, not with tracking anyway. The tire wear is on the outer edge, and when the profile has worn off I reverse the tires to wear the other side. I may do this a couple more times and in theory the tires will actually last longer than with symmetric wear. The original tires didn't last very long as the rubber was much softer and there is no steel re-enforcement. I now have Michelins. Karl <html><div></div> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:50 -0400 > From: Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu > To: europa-list@matronics.com > <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu> > > I spent a great deal of time trying to engineer a vernier type setting > for adjusting the toe in - but after discussing it with several people > was told it works out - normally - my fear is when I do it I may not get > it just right and have tracking problems - maybe the way to adjust it is > to use creative landings - a friend of mine (to be un-named) managed to > bend his - of course this would only work in one direction - :-) - > > Oin the interest of getting this thing done prior to receiving my first > social security check I am going to go with the manueal and measure > about fifty times - > > > Gary Leinberger > A237 > Slow and Unsteady > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C > Harrison > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:46 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > > --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Hi! Michael > IMHO there has been insufficient attention paid to this question of > loaded toe in. G-PTAG is too heavy on tyre wear and when winched > backwards up the trailer ramps the reverse toe is really excessive. I > last used washing up soap on the ramps which shows the tyre scrubbing > instead of deforming. > It almost calls for a control system at the top of the gear legs to be > able to "vernier" the toe setting? > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Grass > Sent: 27 March 2008 00:52 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > <m.grass@comcast.net> > > Duncan, > > I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the plane > is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gear will flex > out (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I will be > able to > > measure it but definatly will try once the plane is loaded but this will > > still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get the wings closed > and all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in. > > Regards > > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear Detroit > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > > > > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > > > > Michael, > > Any thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes once the > > > weight of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been set-up to > > > zero toe-in/toe-out)? > > > > Duncan McF. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > > > > > >> Hi Rob, > >> > >> The complaint I have is to myself that I do not find the time to do > more > >> building. I enjoy time spend on my plane. The point I tried to make > is > >> that > >> the builder spend quite some time on the web for the main gear > sockets. > >> Even without the top on you spend a lot time bending over. > >> Building should be fun. It is more fun if you work smart and try to > have > >> as > >> easy access as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy. What > you > >> don't want is therapy after time spend building so work smart and > enjoy > >> the > >> quality time spend with your project. > >> > >> What I did, I used bondo and stuck 5 reference points to the garage > >> floor. 3 > >> along the centerline of the fuselage. One in the front, one in the > center > >> of > >> the main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all lined up > and > >> on > >> the exact same height and in level along a line. > >> > >> Then I bonded with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to the > >> floor. > >> Again made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the center > > >> line > >> and on the same > >> level. > >> > >> After that I rolled my fuselage cradle over those points and used M12 > >> threaded rod as a height adjustment to level the fuselage over my 3 > >> reference points along the center line and clamped the main gear legs > > >> into > >> position. > >> > >> This kept the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in place. > >> > >> I kept this setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on. > Nothing > >> moved and all is plum, squared and level. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> Michael Grass > >> A266 Trigear, Detroit > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com> > >> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM > >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > >> > >> > <rob@hyperion-ef.com> > >>> > >>> We cuss a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Rob Housman > >>> Irvine, CA > >>> Europa XS Tri-Gear > >>> A070 > >>> Airframe complete > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > >>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > > >>> Grass > >>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM > >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com > >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > >>> > <m.grass@comcast.net> > >>> > >>> Craig, > >>> > >>> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can not > imagine > >>> how > >>> peope do this with the top and no frequent vistits to the > chiropractor. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Michael Grass > >>> > >>> A266, 914, Woodcomp prop, > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "raggi6771" <craigb@onthenet.com.au> > >>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM > >>> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > >>> > >>> > <craigb@onthenet.com.au> > >>>> > >>>> Just curious, how many of you fitted the main gear leg sockets > before > >>>> you bonded the top on. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 25/03/2008 19:17 > > > >===== > > >


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    Time: 05:36:24 PM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Trike Main gear sockets
    Hi! All/Karl Heindl I'm wondering if you'd kindly share the detail sizes, specification and source of the Michelin Tyres you are using. I would like to order my next set to do my own comparison ...prices and all ? I have recently replaced mine and have been using a more square profile of tyre recommended by Watts Tyres but must confess I haven't the detail without removing spats to inspect them. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Leinberger Sent: 31 March 2008 22:23 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets I think you are correct - given the nature of the Europa beast - trying to make the wheels square and toed in properly, given you build it without the engine weight in it, and with no adjustment - the cost of new tires is just the way it is - gl _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets Gary, I think you are right, but then every Europa is a little different. I followed the manual very carefully, and have not experienced any real problems, not with tracking anyway. The tire wear is on the outer edge, and when the profile has worn off I reverse the tires to wear the other side. I may do this a couple more times and in theory the tires will actually last longer than with symmetric wear. The original tires didn't last very long as the rubber was much softer and there is no steel re-enforcement. I now have Michelins. Karl <html><div></div> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:50 -0400 > From: Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu > To: europa-list@matronics.com > <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu> > > I spent a great deal of time trying to engineer a vernier type setting > for adjusting the toe in - but after discussing it with several people > was told it works out - normally - my fear is when I do it I may not get > it just right and have tracking problems - maybe the way to adjust it is > to use creative landings - a friend of mine (to be un-named) managed to > bend his - of course this would only work in one direction - :-) - > > Oin the interest of getting this thing done prior to receiving my first > social security check I am going to go with the manueal and measure > about fifty times - > > > Gary Leinberger > A237 > Slow and Unsteady > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C > Harrison > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:46 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > > --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> > > Hi! Michael > IMHO there has been insufficient attention paid to this question of > loaded toe in. G-PTAG is too heavy on tyre wear and when winched > backwards up the trailer ramps the reverse toe is really excessive. I > last used washing up soap on the ramps which shows the tyre scrubbing > instead of deforming. > It almost calls for a control system at the top of the gear legs to be > able to "vernier" the toe setting? > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Grass > Sent: 27 March 2008 00:52 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > <m.grass@comcast.net> > > Duncan, > > I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the plane > is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gear will flex > out (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I will be > able to > > measure it but definatly will try once the plane is loaded but this will > > still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get the wings closed > and all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in. > > Regards > > Michael Grass > A266 Trigear Detroit > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > > > > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > > > > Michael, > > Any thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes once the > > > weight of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been set-up to > > > zero toe-in/toe-out)? > > > > Duncan McF. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > > > > > >> Hi Rob, > >> > >> The complaint I have is to myself that I do not find the time to do > more > >> building. I enjoy time spend on my plane. The point I tried to make > is > >> that > >> the builder spend quite some time on the web for the main gear > sockets. > >> Even without the top on you spend a lot time bending over. > >> Building should be fun. It is more fun if you work smart and try to > have > >> as > >> easy access as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy. What > you > >> don't want is therapy after time spend building so work smart and > enjoy > >> the > >> quality time spend with your project. > >> > >> What I did, I used bondo and stuck 5 reference points to the garage > >> floor. 3 > >> along the centerline of the fuselage. One in the front, one in the > center > >> of > >> the main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all lined up > and > >> on > >> the exact same height and in level along a line. > >> > >> Then I bonded with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to the > >> floor. > >> Again made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the center > > >> line > >> and on the same > >> level. > >> > >> After that I rolled my fuselage cradle over those points and used M12 > >> threaded rod as a height adjustment to level the fuselage over my 3 > >> reference points along the center line and clamped the main gear legs > > >> into > >> position. > >> > >> This kept the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in place. > >> > >> I kept this setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on. > Nothing > >> moved and all is plum, squared and level. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> Michael Grass > >> A266 Trigear, Detroit > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com> > >> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM > >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > >> > >> > <rob@hyperion-ef.com> > >>> > >>> We cuss a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Rob Housman > >>> Irvine, CA > >>> Europa XS Tri-Gear > >>> A070 > >>> Airframe complete > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > >>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > > >>> Grass > >>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM > >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com > >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > >>> > <m.grass@comcast.net> > >>> > >>> Craig, > >>> > >>> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can not > imagine > >>> how > >>> peope do this with the top and no frequent vistits to the > chiropractor. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Michael Grass > >>> > >>> A266, 914, Woodcomp prop, > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "raggi6771" <craigb@onthenet.com.au> > >>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM > >>> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets > >>> > >>> > <craigb@onthenet.com.au> > >>>> > >>>> Just curious, how many of you fitted the main gear leg sockets > before > >>>> you bonded the top on. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 25/03/2008 19:17 > > > >===== > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 05:49:32 PM PST US
    From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
    Subject: FW: A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul
    Hi David Kate and I would love to there with you all as William & Paul were good friends who we still miss a lot. Unfortunately we are still in the USA until late May,so wont be able to join you all. But we will be there in spirit. Kind Regards Alan & Kate Burrows _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David.Corbett Sent: 30 March 2008 18:31 Subject: Europa-List: FW: A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul I am repeating the message below; it should have been repeated in the Europa Club newsletter due out now, but that has been delayed a few days. Do not worry that the 26 March date has passed - if you wish to attend, but have not yet let me know, please contact me soonest. I have the following UK aircraft on the list - if yours is not shown, I have not heard from you: G-BZNY, DDBD, LINN, IANI, SHSH, CBYN, FIZY, BWON, MIME, CEIW, PTAG, ZTED, BVVP, EOFS, KIMM, BXLK, BWWB, XSDJ, BXCG, SMDH? (S Pitt), BZAM, BXIJ, and Dave Buzz. And - from Europe - Karel Vrancken. Anyone coming by road? - I need to know, for the caterers, please! Do not forget - there will be a brief (!) Europa Club committee meeting that day - see the Chairman's e-mail! A briefing doc will be sent out by e-mail w/c 21 April. David _____ From: David.Corbett [mailto:david.corbett5@btinternet.com] Sent: 05 March 2008 09:26 Cc: Aero Club Subject: A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul "A Fly-in in memory of William and Paul. "Throughout the Europa community there was enormous respect for William Mills and Paul Sweeting, who were both so sadly killed in a Europa accident in June 2007. Bryan Alsop and Paddy Clarke have suggested that the Club should arrange a "DOTH" in memory of William and Paul, and Shobdon Airfield - so near to both William and Paul's homes - has offered to host this event. "By tradition, a DOTH is a meeting of Europa owners/aircraft at an airfield, chosen at short notice (24 or at most 48 hours), when suitable weather is forecast. However, we feel that a DOTH in these circumstances would not be fair on our Europa community, some of whom may wish to attend from a considerable distance. Therefore, we have identified 2 Sundays at the end of April/beginning of May (April 27 and May 4) on one of which we will hold the event. We will go for the first of those 2 Sundays - 27 April - but if, 3 or 4 days in advance, the Met men advise postponement, we will change to the second date. "Apart from giving people early warning of the dates, the purpose of this advanced notice is to try to gauge the likely numbers of the Europa community who may wish to attend. Because William - and indeed Paul, himself a Herefordshire Aero Club (Shobdon) member - were so universally well respected, we feel that many of their Europa friends may wish to come. If as the Shobdon representative I can have some idea of the numbers, we at Shobdon will know how big the fly-in might be - and we will be able to organise accordingly. The Shobdon management has said that there will be no landing fees, but visitors will be invited to make a worthwhile donation to a charity which will be named when detailed instructions are sent out. "Can I therefore please ask all those who would hope to attend to send me an e-mail off forum - with "William's fly-in" in the subject box (this is important because my system puts e-mails with unknown sender addresses into the spam box) - by Tuesday 26 March; this does not commit you in any way! In your e-mail, please state aircraft registration and number(s) on board. Once we have a feel for the numbers, we will issue a more detailed plan for the day. If you know of any of William's Europa friends who do not watch this forum but who may wish to attend, could you please forward this message to them. And - this is not confined to UK Europa friends! "We look forward to hearing from you, "David - on behalf of Bryan, Paddy and Shobdon"


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    From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: Trike Main gear sockets
    BoB, My Michelin tires are from ACS , 500x5, part no. 06-00016. It seems a vey t ough tire, but I have no idea how it compares to the other makes. They also have the really expensive Michelin a ir tires, which would be worth getting if they last at least twice as long as the cheaper ones. Cheers, Karl<html><div></div> From: ptag.dev@tiscali.co.ukTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Europ a-List: Trike Main gear socketsDate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:29:12 +0100 Hi! All/Karl Heindl I=92m wondering if you=92d kindly share the detail sizes, specification and source of the Michelin Tyres you are using. I would like to order my next set to do my own comparison =85..prices and all ? I have recently replaced mine and have been using a more square profile of tyre recommended by Watts Tyres but must confess I haven=92t the detail without removing spats to in spect them. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message-----From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mai lto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary LeinbergerSen t: 31 March 2008 22:23To: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Europa-List : Trike Main gear sockets I think you are correct - given the nature of the Europa beast - trying to make the wheels square and toed in properly, given you build it without the engine weight in it, and with no adjustment - the cost of new tires is jus t the way it is - gl From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl HeindlSent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1: 56 PMTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets Gary, I think you are right, but then every Europa is a little different. I followed the manual very carefully, and have not experienced any real pro blems, not with tracking anyway. The tire wear is on the outer edge, and wh en the profile has worn off I reverse the tires to wear the other side. I m ay do this a couple more times and in theory the tires will actually last l onger than with symmetric wear.The original tires didn't last very long as the rubber was much softer and there is no steel re-enforcement. I now hav e Michelins. Karl<html><div></div>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:50 -0400> From: Gary.Leinbe rger@millersville.edu> To: europa-list@matronics.com> > --> Europa-List mes sage posted by: "Gary Leinberger" <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>> > I s pent a great deal of time trying to engineer a vernier type setting> for ad justing the toe in - but after discussing it with several people> was told it works out - normally - my fear is when I do it I may not get> it just ri ght and have tracking problems - maybe the way to adjust it is> to use crea tive landings - a friend of mine (to be un-named) managed to> bend his - of course this would only work in one direction - :-) - > > Oin the interest of getting this thing done prior to receiving my first> social security che ck I am going to go with the manueal and measure> about fifty times - > > > Gary Leinberger > A237 > Slow and Unsteady > > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-se rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C> Harrison> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:46 AM> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: rison" > --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>> > Hi! Michael> IMHO there has been i nsufficient attention paid to this question of> loaded toe in. G-PTAG is to o heavy on tyre wear and when winched> backwards up the trailer ramps the r everse toe is really excessive. I> last used washing up soap on the ramps w hich shows the tyre scrubbing> instead of deforming.> It almost calls for a control system at the top of the gear legs to be> able to "vernier" the to e setting?> Regards> Bob Harrison G-PTAG> > -----Original Message-----> Fro m: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael> Grass> Sent: 27 March 2008 00:52> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear socke et>> > Duncan,> > I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the plane> is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gea r will flex> out (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I w ill be> able to> > measure it but definatly will try once the plane is load ed but this will> > still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get th e wings closed> and all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in.> > R egards> > Michael Grass> A266 Trigear Detroit> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>> To: <euro pa-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" > > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>> >> > Mic hael,> > Any thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes once the> > > weight of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been set- up to> > > zero toe-in/toe-out)?> >> > Duncan McF.> > ----- Original Messag e ----- > > From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>> > To: <europa-list @matronics.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM> > Subject: Re: Eu ropa-List: Trike Main gear sockets> >> >> >> Hi Rob,> >>> >> The complaint I have is to myself that I do not find the time to do> more> >> building. I enjoy time spend on my plane. The point I tried to make> is > >> that> >> the builder spend quite some time on the web for the main gear> sockets.> > > Even without the top on you spend a lot time bending over.> >> Building s hould be fun. It is more fun if you work smart and try to> have > >> as> >> easy access as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy. What> you> >> don't want is therapy after time spend building so work smart and> enjo y > >> the> >> quality time spend with your project.> >>> >> What I did, I used bondo and stuck 5 reference points to the garage > >> floor. 3> >> alo ng the centerline of the fuselage. One in the front, one in the> center > > > of> >> the main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all lined up> and > >> on> >> the exact same height and in level along a line.> >>> > > Then I bonded with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to the > >> floor.> >> Again made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the c enter> > >> line> >> and on the same> >> level.> >>> >> After that I rolled my fuselage cradle over those points and used M12> >> threaded rod as a he ight adjustment to level the fuselage over my 3> >> reference points along the center line and clamped the main gear legs> > >> into> >> position.> >> > >> This kept the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in place.> >>> >> I kept this setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on.> Nothing > >> moved and all is plum, squared and level.> >>> >>> >>> >> Regards> >>> >>> >> Michael Grass> >> A266 Trigear, Detroit> >>> >> ----- Original Mess age ----- > >> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>> >> To: <europa-li st@matronics.com>> >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM> >> Subject: RE : Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets> >>> >>> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"> <rob@hyperion-ef.com>> >>>> >>> We cuss a lot.> >>>> >>>> >>> Best regards,> >>>> >>> Rob Housman> >>> Irvine, CA> >>> Euro pa XS Tri-Gear> >>> A070> >>> Airframe complete> >>>> >>> -----Original Mes sage-----> >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> >>> [mailto:ow ner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael> > >>> Grass> >> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM> >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com> >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets> >>>> >>> --> Europa- List message posted by: "Michael Grass"> <m.grass@comcast.net>> >>>> >>> Cr aig,> >>>> >>> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can not> imagine> >>> how> >>> peope do this with the top and no frequent visti ts to the> chiropractor.> >>>> >>> Regards> >>>> >>> Michael Grass> >>>> >> > A266, 914, Woodcomp prop,> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> Fr om: "raggi6771" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>> >>> To: <europa-list@matronics.co m>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM> >>> Subject: Europa-List: Tr aggi6771"> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>> >>>>> >>>> Just curious, how many of y ou fitted the main gear leg sockets> before> >>>> you bonded the top on.> > >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 25 /03/2008 19:17> > > >======> > > href="http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronic s.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion">http://www.matronics.com/c - The Europa-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - MATRO NICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Cont ribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contri bution




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