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1. 02:50 AM - Weekend Doth to Duxford....! (Robert C Harrison)
2. 07:44 AM - Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole (Fergus Kyle)
3. 08:46 AM - Re: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole (josok)
4. 09:58 AM - Trailer Clearances (Fred Klein)
5. 12:30 PM - Re: Trailer Clearances (Peter Timm)
6. 12:41 PM - Re: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole (craig bastin)
7. 03:27 PM - Re: Trailer Clearances (Graham Singleton)
8. 05:48 PM - Sun and Fun Meeting? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
9. 07:25 PM - Re: Mod 72 Debacle (jason Parker)
10. 08:22 PM - Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? (Rman)
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| Subject: | Weekend Doth to Duxford....! |
Hi! You UK Europa Fliers.
I hope to be joining with Wickenby "Fly365" Group to a Duxford Fly In
day
next Saturday 12th April. I believe landing fees are specially reduced
to
=A37.00 and Museum entrance also =A37.00 per person. I understand there
are also
some safety seminars in their programme.
It is strictly PPR . The weather predictions don't yet look brilliant
but so
it wasn't for here today but not a cloud to be seen ...a perfect flying
day.
Probably see some of you there, since I should have the Permit released
for
G-PTAG at long last.? I already have the "Operating Limitations"
document
and Mod. certificate no's 11970 (Installation of Rotax 914) and 11971
(Addition of Turbo Intercooler)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole |
Gentlemen,
Since you have both owned up to advanced 'history' and many hours'
work, allow me to join you. I'll be 80 next year and have 4200 hours in the
log - and some to go.
So, perhaps we should form a select group of either superior
experience or protracted stupidity.... I think it's a toss-up. In any event,
I hate to see anyone throw in the towel, particularly when it sends me such
a pointed hint.
Hold the line, steady the Buffs, don't flinch - what else is there?
Happy Days, whatever the outcome...............
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole |
Ferg and all,
Because i am still very young at almost 65 and only have 295 h, and managed to
finish the build in 3 years( rush job jep), i do not really qualify for the superior
experience group. However, there have been many days that i have been afraid
that the build time might stretch out according to the pattern described.
Therefore i have asked for and received help. Amongst others, locals, Graham
has been working with me, and although it was only a week, it probably brought
me a year forwards.
Would it be possible for the slow builders to ask for help? After all, it's a kit,
not a "own" design. The original builder would be still "the" builder even
if he only supervises part of the build. If help would be acceptable, i know
that there are lots of folks ready to get involved in something as interesting
as building an airplane, for free. We were willing to pay quite a sum of money
for that pleasure. I know it's quite a move to accept the idea that the kid
from around the corner is touching your delicate airplane parts, but i am also
convinced that your superiority and
authority will keep things in check. Once in a while it might be a good idea to
get another builder to assist. The result will be that things get moving, and
increase your own effectivness as well. And honestly, it's worth to finish and
fly it. It's a wonderful bird to build, it's even better to fly it.
Should we (or the club) start to collect a list of persons willing to assist, much
like the the list of available test pilots?
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| Subject: | Trailer Clearances |
I'd be most appreciative if someone whose airplane is currently on a
trailer nearby could take some measurements of the clearance between
the side of the fuselage and the wing surface.
Measurements adjacent to the hole for the wing spar, and adjacent to
the rear drag pin would be most useful; please note whether your ship
is a mono or a trike.
Thanks in advance,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Trailer Clearances |
Fred,
I had my mono on the trailer until very recently and can only quote from
memory, since I have stared at the two locations
you mentioned often enough, but never measured them. Mine is a factory
trailer (from Europa), and I would say that the
rear fittings on the fuselage are about 2" from the top wing surface. I
always stick foam rubber wedges in between for travel. I would never
consider rigging the aircraft every time I want to fly, but the trailer is
very useful to take the aircraft
home for mods or winter storage.
Regards
Peter Timm
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From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Trailer Clearances
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> I'd be most appreciative if someone whose airplane is currently on a
> trailer nearby could take some measurements of the clearance between the
> side of the fuselage and the wing surface.
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> Measurements adjacent to the hole for the wing spar, and adjacent to the
> rear drag pin would be most useful; please note whether your ship is a
> mono or a trike.
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> Thanks in advance,
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> Fred
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| Subject: | Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole |
Well I dont qualify at all , at only 36, but I think if you are serious and
keep your head down, and turn the dammed TV off one
night a week then you will be flying before you know it. Seems a shame to
put so much of your life into something you love, only then
to say NO MORE, when you would be exceedingly glad to pressed on when she
takes to the air. I started in august 07 and am about half way
done, I spend one day a week, and one or two nights after work working on
her
regards and good building
craig
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7:53 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Trailer Clearances |
Peter & Fred
it is around 2 inches. Not a lot! The trouble is, when the trailer goes
over a bump in the road the fuselage bounces up on its own suspension
and is then no longer restrained by the ramp gripping the main gear leg.
I always recommend a long luggage strap over the nose, just ahead of the
bottom of the screen to hold it down firmly. That fixes the problem
Graham
Peter Timm wrote:
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> Fred,
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> I had my mono on the trailer until very recently and can only quote from
> memory, since I have stared at the two locations
> you mentioned often enough, but never measured them. Mine is a factory
> trailer (from Europa), and I would say that the
> rear fittings on the fuselage are about 2" from the top wing surface. I
> always stick foam rubber wedges in between for travel. I would never
> consider rigging the aircraft every time I want to fly, but the trailer
> is very useful to take the aircraft
> home for mods or winter storage.
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> Regards
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> Peter Timm
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:54 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Trailer Clearances
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>> I'd be most appreciative if someone whose airplane is currently on a
>> trailer nearby could take some measurements of the clearance between
>> the side of the fuselage and the wing surface.
>>
>> Measurements adjacent to the hole for the wing spar, and adjacent to
>> the rear drag pin would be most useful; please note whether your ship
>> is a mono or a trike.
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>> Thanks in advance,
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>> Fred
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Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Sun and Fun Meeting? |
Forgive me folks. I have not been on line much due to a heavy work schedule.
Career work and not Europa work unfortunately....
Is there a designated time for a Europa Builders meeting / or lunch at Sun
and Fun? Typically its at the tent 11:30 on Friday. Also does anyone have the
location number for the Europa display?
Thanks in advance and I'm terribly sorry if the answers to this topic have
already been posted.
Tailwinds.
Brian Skelly
North Texas USA
Europa XS A276
See my build photos at _www.europaowners.org/BrianS_
(http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS)
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 72 Debacle |
Bud,
I have the intercoolers done. Take a look at my web sight under page Europa.
I took the pictures with a higher quality camera. Tell me what you think. See
if you can drum up some interest.
Jason
ALAN YERLY <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
Don't cut them off.
The etching primer is thick enough that you lost the clearances for a slip fit.
During the assembly you probably scrapped the paint enough to cause galling
(or little paint rolls) which has locked it up.
Clean off the primer, I would use a spray of acetone to clean the inside of the
tube from the rear. That will loosen the paint up. Use a fine tip heat gun
and heat the frame only where the interference is. Etching primer gets soft
at about 200F (just to a sizzle when water put on it is enough). That will not
hurt the tubing or firewall. Remove the heat and use alcohol to cool the insert
then tap again. If it moves in go ahead and try to move it in further or
make an extraction tool.
I made the same mistake on one aircraft and had to put a painfully long screw
(5/16 inch with a washer head ground to fit) inside the gear frame tube but large
enough to catch the insert wall. I then borrowed a slide hammer to extract
the insert. Lucky for me it was only in about an inch. But it still requires
removing the bolts from the frame, machining a bolt head which will fit your
slide hammer, replace the frame bolts, and then heating the stupid thing, cooling
the insert and then pull it out.
Now I just ream, squirt with zinc chromate or the Corrosion X (ACP or ACF 50)
and tap it in wet and recoat front and rear to seal it in. If you put primer
on both the parts and let it dry, make the paint thin and use the ACF 50 as a
lube as well as for anticorrosion.
Hope it helps.
Bud Yerly,
Custom Flight Creations.
----- Original Message -----
From: flyingphil2
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Debacle
Suppose that you were doing Mod 72 and it was going to be really easy as you you
are still building and haven't got the engine attached.
So, suppose that you have borrowed the club reamer and opened up the tubes in the
undercarriage frame and cleaned them out. The unpainted inserts could then
be pushed in by hand until only about 1cm was showing.
Suppose then that you were rather enthusiastic with the etch primer and after it
had dried, tried to push the inserts in. Having got them half way in with a
hammer, what would you do if they really really didn't want to go any further
in? I mean hitting them with a hammer via a block of wood is just splitting
the wood.
What would you do? I doubt they are going to come out. Should I hit them harder,
heat the frame, pour acetone down to remove the etch primer or just wait for
the ACF 50 to work it's way through and try again?
Any thoughts would be more than appreciated,
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? |
Brian, Mary and I are leaving in the morning for Lakeland. Typically,
we meet around the Europa tent pretty much every day. I'm not sure of
the location, but you can contact Bud Yerly to find out. See you there...
Jeff - Baby Blue
380 hrs
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
> Forgive me folks. I have not been on line much due to a heavy work
> schedule. Career work and not Europa work unfortunately....
>
> Is there a designated time for a Europa Builders meeting / or lunch at
> Sun and Fun? Typically its at the tent 11:30 on Friday. Also does
> anyone have the location number for the Europa display?
>
> Thanks in advance and I'm terribly sorry if the answers to this
> topic have already been posted.
>
> Tailwinds.
>
> Brian Skelly
> North Texas USA
> Europa XS A276
> See my build photos at www.europaowners.org/BrianS
> <http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS>
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