---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/07/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:17 AM - Re: Mod 72 Debacle (Robert C Harrison) 2. 06:36 AM - Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? (rampil) 4. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? (rick) 5. 08:24 AM - Re: Completed monowheel airframe for sale (JR Gowing) (Gerry Cole) 6. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? (Alan Burrows) 7. 09:52 AM - Re: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole (Gerry Cole) 8. 02:12 PM - Re: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole (craig bastin) 9. 03:41 PM - Archive (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 10. 04:37 PM - Re: Archive (Lance Sandford) 11. 04:59 PM - Re: Archive (DuaneFamly@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:05 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 72 Debacle Hi! Jason I have a Bell Intercooler fitted and I'm interested in your Intercooler Installation but can't find your web site as indicated below. Would you please mail me it direct to:- ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk Also have you, or will you be making any provision anti carb ice? The lowest carb throat temp. I have recorded during a rapid decent, engine idling, from 4,000ft (ground ambient 11deg Centigrade ) is 6 deg C. However we in the UK have very low humidity conditions in winter. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: 07 April 2008 03:19 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Debacle Bud, I have the intercoolers done. Take a look at my web sight under page Europa. I took the pictures with a higher quality camera. Tell me what you think. See if you can drum up some interest. Jason ALAN YERLY wrote: Don't cut them off. The etching primer is thick enough that you lost the clearances for a slip fit. During the assembly you probably scrapped the paint enough to cause galling (or little paint rolls) which has locked it up. Clean off the primer, I would use a spray of acetone to clean the inside of the tube from the rear. That will loosen the paint up. Use a fine tip heat gun and heat the frame only where the interference is. Etching primer gets soft at about 200F (just to a sizzle when water put on it is enough). That will not hurt the tubing or firewall. Remove the heat and use alcohol to cool the insert then tap again. If it moves in go ahead and try to move it in further or make an extraction tool. I made the same mistake on one aircraft and had to put a painfully long screw (5/16 inch with a washer head ground to fit) inside the gear frame tube but large enough to catch the insert wall. I then borrowed a slide hammer to extract the insert. Lucky for me it was only in about an inch. But it still requires removing the bolts from the frame, machining a bolt head which will fit your slide hammer, replace the frame bolts, and then heating the stupid thing, cooling the insert and then pull it out. Now I just ream, squirt with zinc chromate or the Corrosion X (ACP or ACF 50) and tap it in wet and recoat front and rear to seal it in. If you put primer on both the parts and let it dry, make the paint thin and use the ACF 50 as a lube as well as for anticorrosion. Hope it helps. Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations. ----- Original Message ----- From: flyingphil2 Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Debacle Suppose that you were doing Mod 72 and it was going to be really easy as you you are still building and haven't got the engine attached. So, suppose that you have borrowed the club reamer and opened up the tubes in the undercarriage frame and cleaned them out. The unpainted inserts could then be pushed in by hand until only about 1cm was showing. Suppose then that you were rather enthusiastic with the etch primer and after it had dried, tried to push the inserts in. Having got them half way in with a hammer, what would you do if they really really didn't want to go any further in? I mean hitting them with a hammer via a block ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:40 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun and Fun Meeting? Thanks Jeff: Look forward to seeing you two again this year. Brian Skelly North Texas USA Europa XS A276 See my build photos at _www.europaowners.org/BrianS_ (http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS) (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:41 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? From: "rampil" According to the Roster, Europa is in the North Area at N90 -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175233#175233 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:12 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? Hi Ray and myself will be at the Europa booth at 11 ish on Friday and probably Saturday as well and look forward to seeing all Europaphiles. Any Brits going? Cheers Rick Morris G-RIKS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: 07 April 2008 14:33 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? According to the Roster, Europa is in the North Area at N90 -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175233#175233 Checked by AVG. 08:56 Checked by AVG. 08:56 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:21 AM PST US From: "Gerry Cole" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Completed monowheel airframe for sale (JR Gowing) Hi Bob, You are a couple of years older than me and have broken what I thought was the longest build-time record. The Lyndhurst fuel level indicator is now part of Europa's mod 60 Kit for fitting to the Europa fuel tank. It is supplied by Lyndhurst - Touchdown - Services Ltd (www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown) to the precise length specified by the buyer. I bought mine from Touchdown before mod 60 appeared. The sensor is a sealed stainless steel tube housing 8 reed switches. These are activated by an external magnetic ring float. My mod 10710 has this sensor assembly housed in a precision-made fibreglass tube, flanged at the top and sealed at the bottom with an embedded boss holding a 90 deg inlet pipe fitting. A thick machined aluminium ring at the top carries the outlet pipe fitting. The unit is inserted in to the left hand vent line and is mounted on a substantial bracket reduxed to the forward baggage bay bulkhead just behind the fuel tank ( the mod 74 lift-pin crosstube passes between my unit and the bulkhead with a small clearance). It took two attempts and a complex jig to get the fibre glass tube right and then six months to clear the mod with our PFA (now LAA). I also had to do the pressure test specified in JAR-VLA 965 - equivalent to an eleven foot head of fuel. The main advantage is, being translucent, it is possible to see the fuel level in the tube in your pre-flight ckecks and you have a proper contents indicator on the panel. If you would like more detail (and several week's work!), please contact me off list and I will be pleased to help. Sincerely Gerry Cole, kit 121 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JR Gowing" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Completed monowheel airframe for sale > > Dear Gerry > > You did not say how old you were! > > I am 77 and done most of what you have on my kit no. 327 more than 6000 hrs or so and I too > have concerns about whether I can finish the job. > > I have not heard of the Lyndhurst Fuel Sensor and would like to know how you arranged it "in > a separate fuel stack that allows a visual pre-flight check on contents." > > I would be pleased if you felt like telling me and the other list members enough to give us a > feel for the project ) > > Maybe more questions might arise if you could tolerate them. > > Sincerely > > JR (bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:30 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? Hi Rick Kate and I will be there Thurs. Fri. Alan Burrows -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rick Sent: 07 April 2008 15:25 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? Hi Ray and myself will be at the Europa booth at 11 ish on Friday and probably Saturday as well and look forward to seeing all Europaphiles. Any Brits going? Cheers Rick Morris G-RIKS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: 07 April 2008 14:33 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun and Fun Meeting? According to the Roster, Europa is in the North Area at N90 -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175233#175233 Checked by AVG. 08:56 Checked by AVG. 08:56 -- Checked by AVG. 11:12 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:57 AM PST US From: "Gerry Cole" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole Ferg and Craig, Thanks for the encouragement but not having flown as P1 for a while, I've decided it would be nice to sit back with a beer and watch others do the aviating. I'm sure you are enjoying your build as much as I have.The satisfaction of producing a Europa component as near perfect as possible is something few outside our circle experience. Josok, On occasion a builder has to proceed carefully and think things through if he is using a technique or material that is new to him, but that is the quickest way of learning. I've also found that you need plenty of preparation, dry runs and memorised steps if something like a complex layup needs to be completed quickly without errors - that is where the hours go. Sincerely, Gerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:05 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole here's a thought, if you no longer want to own your bird, maybe sell a half share, that being the engine etc to get her flying, and even if you dont have your licence any more you could get your other share holder to take you for a spin, just mind you dont spill your beer :) good luck in your future endeavors craig do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gerry Cole Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 2:39 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bob Gowing & Gerry Cole Ferg and Craig, Thanks for the encouragement but not having flown as P1 for a while, I've decided it would be nice to sit back with a beer and watch others do the aviating. I'm sure you are enjoying your build as much as I have.The satisfaction of producing a Europa component as near perfect as possible is something few outside our circle experience. Josok, On occasion a builder has to proceed carefully and think things through if he is using a technique or material that is new to him, but that is the quickest way of learning. I've also found that you need plenty of preparation, dry runs and memorised steps if something like a complex layup needs to be completed quickly without errors - that is where the hours go. Sincerely, Gerry do not archive Checked by AVG. 11:12 AM Checked by AVG. 11:12 AM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:18 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Archive It seems that my link to the Forum Archive is no longer valid and I can't find a link at of my other Europa sites. Could someone please post the new address so I can go back and look up some items that I have questions on? Thanks in advance. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:28 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: Archive Mike Is this the URL you need? http://www.europaowners.org/ Lance Sandford in OZ > It seems that my link to the Forum Archive is no longer valid and I > can't find a link at of my other Europa sites. Could someone please > post the new address so I can go back and look up some items that I > have questions on? > > Thanks in advance. > > Mike Duane A207A > Redding, California > XS Conventional Gear > Jabiru 3300 > Sensenich R64Z N > Ground Adjustable Pro > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:33 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Archive That is it. Thanks Do Not Archive In a message dated 4/7/2008 4:39:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sandford@melbpc.org.au writes: Mike Is this the URL you need? _http://www.europaowners.org/_ (http://www.europaowners.org/) Lance Sandford in OZ It seems that my link to the Forum Archive is no longer valid and I can't find a link at of my other Europa sites. Could someone please post the new address so I can go back and look up some items that I have questions on? Thanks in advance. 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