---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/16/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Shell VSX supplies UK (Pete Lawless) 2. 02:26 AM - Re: Shell VSX supplies UK (Peter Jeffers) 3. 03:26 AM - Re: Shell VSX supplies UK (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk) 4. 03:42 AM - Re: Re: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel Europa (karelvranken) 5. 04:39 AM - Re: crimp terminals (rampil) 6. 09:54 AM - Re: Shell VSX supplies UK (Pete Lawless) 7. 10:21 AM - Surplus parts? (Fred Klein) 8. 11:23 AM - Re: Surplus parts? (Robert Borger) 9. 12:24 PM - Europa Club membership - off topic (Fergus Kyle) 10. 12:59 PM - Re: Europa Club membership - off topic (josok) 11. 01:12 PM - Re: Flying to the UK. (josok) 12. 01:38 PM - Re: Surplus parts? (Jerry Rehn) 13. 02:42 PM - Re: Shell VSX supplies UK (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 14. 02:44 PM - Re: Europa Club membership - off topic (Rowland Carson) 15. 03:53 PM - Re: Surplus parts? (Fred Klein) 16. 08:15 PM - Europa Club membership - off topic (Fergus Kyle) 17. 09:54 PM - Re: Surplus parts? (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:18 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Morning All Just a link you might find useful. I found it impossible to find the Shell VSX in the local motorbike outlets so last year tried AM Oils, who advertise in the back of the LAA magazine. Ordered on line and had the oil within a couple of days. Having used the first 12 bottles I ordered another box on Sunday afternoon ' it arrived this morning (Wednesday). Now that is what I call good service. www.am-oils.co.uk Regards Pete Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 09:12 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:55 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Thanks for the info. I too have found sourcing difficult but I must just query the oil consumption of your engine. Mine only uses a litre in around 100 hrs. Pete _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 16 April 2008 08:08 Subject: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Morning All Just a link you might find useful. I found it impossible to find the Shell VSX in the local motorbike outlets so last year tried AM Oils, who advertise in the back of the LAA magazine. Ordered on line and had the oil within a couple of days. Having used the first 12 bottles I ordered another box on Sunday afternoon ' it arrived this morning (Wednesday). Now that is what I call good service. www.am-oils.co.uk Regards Pete Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 09:12 "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion 7.5.519 / Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 18:10 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:22 AM PST US From: "peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK I always get our VSX4 from Far North Aviation http://www.farnorthaviation.c o.uk/fuels.html Think its the cheapest by some margin - quick service too - usually a day, two at most. Peter ----Original Message---- From: pjeffers@talktalk.net Subj: RE: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} 14 Hantone Hill st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Thanks for the info. I too have found sourcing difficult but I must just qu ery the oil consumption of your engine. Mine only uses a litre in around 1 00 hrs. Pete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 16 April 2008 08:08 Subject: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Morning All Just a link you might find useful. I found it impossible to find the Shell VSX in the local motorbike outlets so last year tried AM Oils, who adverti se in the back of the LAA magazine. Ordered on line and had the oil within a couple of days. Having used the first 12 bottles I ordered another box on Sunday afternoon =93 it arrived this morning (Wednesday). Now tha t is what I call good service. www.am-oils.co.uk Regards Pete Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 09:12 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://foru ms.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. Relea se Date: 15/04/2008 18:10 Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 18:10 _____________________________________________ Get up to 33% off Norton Security - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:34 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel Europa Jonathan, Our runway is 18 m x 600 m asphalt 26 - 08 and I agree 100 % with your handling because I experience the same results and entire satisfaction with my Mono XS # 447 F-PKRL with Airmaster AP332 on a 912ULS even though I have only 110 hours. If this can confort you.... Best regards, Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Milbank To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel Europa Hi John, What a lucky lad being able to fly to Sun N Fun! Yes it's true that things are worse with a fixed pitch prop, but we've been loving the benefits of our Airmaster constant speed for about 8 years. We always make the final approach to land in fully fine pitch crossing the threshold at 55 knots or less. Our runway is 500m tarred but narrow, barely 15m. Even in still air with the prop fully fine, we use up the majority of the runway esp. when light. Crosswinds can be challenging on our relatively narrow strip with soft ground/ditch/long weeds to catch the outriggers should anyone allow the 'plane to drift too far sideways. Scottish weather being what it is, the verges tend to remain soft for much of the year and at least half the year the wind blows 10 to 15 knots at right angles. The annual quota of sunny days with winds light along the runway can almost be counted on your fingers and toes. They tend to happen on working days or when the wife wants something done around the house and garden. I wonder if I can find a well-paid job in the US of A! In the mean time I'll keep our engine settings the way they are to minimise floating and ask my Sheila's angels to surround us in a fluffy pink cocoon. Actually I can't see any problem with my settings; as I emphasised previously, we keep the engine above 2000 rpm for all but a couple of seconds when checking slow running before take off. During the glide it remains smooth without any hint of quitting. We aren't allowing the gearbox to chatter, ever. Someone please prove me wrong!! Am I green with envy? Who, me! Well at least we know that the Europa is still a brilliant little machine. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:59:47 -0400 > From: johnwigney@alltel.net > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel Europa > > > Hi Jonathan, > > Thank you for your interesting and informative emails regarding idle > speed for tailwheel Europas. It is certainly true that tailwheel Europas > will float if too much prop thrust remains. However, if one has a > constant speed prop it does change the picture. > > I have just returned from Sun N Fun in Florida - an enjoyable trip with > no problems in the trusty Europa. 1100 miles round trip as the crow > flies, using 45 US gal of 100LL. Trip down was somewhat below the scud > but never below 1,000 ft agl. Stop was in Georgia at Brunswick on the > coast. Coming back, I had to bob and weave to dodge some showers and > rain but it soon improved to clear blue and this time I stopped at > Waycross in Georgia to fill up. Waycross is just north of the Okefenokee > swamp which is a large national park with lots of alligators! > > Anyway, getting back to idle speed. Before the trip I had just finished > my annual and had replaced my throttle cables with solid music wire. I > carefully set the idle speed and full throttle with the mechanical > adjustments as per the Rotax procedure and followed Lockwood Aviation's > recommendation of not less than 1,800 rpm which is about where I had it > previously. (Lockwood is a big Rotax dealer here.) On this occasion, I > did not do the pneumatic synchronisation. However, the engine ran very > smoothly. Most of the landings on the trip were in less than perfect > conditions but I did not have any problem with float. I normally come in > over the numbers at ~55 kts and when I close the throttle at the flare - > it lands. With a large passenger and a load, it emphatically lands. > > I suspect that the big difference between your experience and mine is > the constant speed prop. See > http://www.whirlwindaviation.com/series100.php During landing, the prop > is set fully fine for max thrust in the event of a go-around. In effect, > it acts almost like an air brake when the throttle is closed. I noticed > that when I had the idle set at ~1,500 rpm on previous occasions, the > a/c used to fall out of the air quite rapidly as I rounded out at the > flare. For this reason I usually leave a little power on at the flare to > smooth the contact. Incidentally, there was a very nicely finished new > tri-gear at the Sun N Fun stand which had the same type of Whirlwind > prop which uses a hydraulic governor for control. > > Wishing you many more smooth landings. > > Cheers, John > > N262WF, mono XS, 912S, 590 hours > Mooresville, North Carolina > > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > > From: Jonathan Milbank > Subject: FW: Europa-List: FW: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel Europa > Well, there it is folks. Andy Draper's reply below must be the last word on this matter. I don't want to be guilty of suggesting something against the manufacturer's recommendations. Just because my experience with the way I adjust and operate my engine is satisfactory, it doesn't follow that others will enjoy the same benefit. > Do it by the book and no-one will be able accuse you of irresponsibility. > Sincerely. > Jonathan > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel EuropaDate: Mon, > 14 Apr 2008 10:49:19 +0100From: andy.draper@laa.uk.com To:jdmilbank@hotmail.com > Hi Jonathan, > It is relatively rare to find a Rotax engine that will idle happily at below 1200 rpm, in my experience, even with balanced carburettors, so we would always set the idle speed to be around 1500rpm (between the recommended 1400-1600rpm band) on our demonstrators. This enabled us to operate the aircraft without excessive float, but I guess that we all just got used to that set up. > > I would expect that gear box wear will be accelerated if the slow idle is 'chattery' but if it's smooth and especially as you minimise the time at slow idle, then you probably won't suffer excessively. I'm not sure, though, that I would want to go into print to recommend others to set their engines up similarly to yours if it contravenes what the manufacturer says. > Best wishes > Andy > > From: Jonathan Milbank [mailto:jdmilbank@hotmail.com] Sent: 14 April 2008 10:27To: Andy DraperCc: editor@europaclub.org.ukSubject: FW: Europa-List: FW: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel Europa > Hello Andy, The emails below are for your interest and comments, if you have any. If not, then I'll go ahead and submit an article to "The Europa Flyer". Maybe I'm going over a subject which has been dealt with before, in which case I apologise. Should you spy any traps for the unwary in what I'm advocating, please let me know. Thanks. Jonathan > > From: jdmilbank@hotmail.comTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-List: FW: Rotax idle speed. Tailwheel EuropaDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:45:10 +0000 > > Pilots/Owners of tailwheel Europas, My email to Conrad Beale and his advice that I should post these communications on the forum are set out for you below. The four of us who have been flying G-EIKY since 1997 (865 hours in tech. log) have no problem in remembering never to allow the engine to idle below 1500 rpm. In fact after starting we use the throttle to maintain warm-up above 2000 rpm and don't taxi below 1500 rpm. Only briefly after checking the ignitions do we pull the throttle all the way back for a couple of seconds to check slow running around 800 rpm before commencing take-off. On > rounding out for a landing, the throttle is closed fully until the landing roll is completed and re-opened once the aircraft reaches a safe taxi speed. Thus the percentage of time that our engine spends below 1500 rpm is almo > st negligible. I learned to fly on Harvards 40 years ago and clocked 274 hours on that type. The combined experience of my fellow group members on tailwheel machines totals in the 1000's. All this might not make us any safer than others with less time in tail draggers, but I certainly wouldn't have been wanting to land any such aircraft in a crosswind with the engine idling quickly. Get squarely in contact with Mother Earth a.s.a.p. after rounding out is my fervent hope and intention! If anyone has comments or criticisms, I'd be grateful for your input. Thanks. Jonathan > > From: louise@conairsports.co.ukTo: jdmilbank@hotmail.comSubject: FW: Rotax > 912/914 idle speedDate: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:58:06 +0100 > Jonathan, > Thank you for your comments regarding the article. I am grateful for your feedback, especially about the idle speed, and I understand your concerns. As you are aware the gearbox wear will be a problem if the idle speed is too low. I can see you have accepted this as a consequence for your set up, but you benefit from an aircraft that is easier to keep on the ground. Normally it is difficult to achieve a stable speed below 1200, and the engine will often stop if set any lower. Rotax suggest 1800RPMI think your experience would be of benefit to other (if you were to post it on the Europa (Matronics) forum), but it needs to be backed up with the warning about increased risk of engine stoppage and increased gearbox wear t > hat will ensue. > I will bear your comments in mind when I am working on installations that might benefit from our feedback in particular the mono wheel Europa.. > Regards Conrad Beale ConAir Sports Ltd www.conairsports.co.uk ONLINE SHOP +44 (0) 1295 771088 > > From: Jonathan Milbank [mailto:jdmilbank@hotmail.com] Sent: 08 April 2008 10:23To: service@conairsports.co.ukCc: mo@moragjones.demon.co.ukSubject: Rotax 912/914 idle speed > > Hello Conrad, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your very helpful, clear and valuable articles on servicing Rotax engines and I look forward to the next one. Now I'm going to take the risk of slightly contradicting something you wrote and hope you won't think too ill of me. I know that your articles and advice are not aircraft type-specific, but idle speed is a sensitive issue with Europa mono/tailwheel aircraft during the touch-down phase. With its laminar flow wing and slippery profile, the Europa mono is a bit notorious for departing from the runway against the pilot's wishes and efforts. It wil > l float after rounding out and can easily "balloon" upwards if just a little wind gust should happen. Once the Europa is squarely planted on the ground with the stick held fully back and the tailwheel solidly gripping the surface, then it is easy enough to keep it running straight. It's during the tricky period between raising the aircraft nose to round out and getting well settled on the runway that directional control can be awkward, particularly in a crosswind. Therefore it follows that this period of floating above the surface must be kept to a minimum. A fast idling engine will exacerbate > any problems. I keep the carburettors adjusted so that at full engine operating temperature and with the aircraft standing still in nil wind, the idle is around 800 rpm and the engine is on the verge of cutting out. Of course this means that the engine is safely idling at around 1200 rpm with the throttle fully closed while gliding. We who belong to the group that flies this Europa are all fully aware that allowing the gearbox to clatter at low rpm on the ground will drastically shorten its life, so we always set the throttle to keep the rpm above 1500 after start up and when taxying. Possibl > y the reason why our monowheel Europa has survived relatively unscathed for 11 years ( touch wood ) is that we are nearly all professional pilots with a lot of general aviation experience and tailwheel experience. But we all also appreciate the importance of minimising the floating period after rounding out for a landing. Thanks for your superb contribution to better understanding the maintenance of our engine. Sincerely. Jonathan Milbank > > >===================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get fish-slapping on Messenger Play now! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: crimp terminals From: "rampil" Hi Paul, If you can order from Newark, Digikey, Allied, etc, you will find them. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177155#177155 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:19 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK So does mine but I change the oil every 50 hours, plus I gave three liters to a mate. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers Sent: 16 April 2008 10:24 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Thanks for the info. I too have found sourcing difficult but I must just query the oil consumption of your engine. Mine only uses a litre in around 100 hrs. Pete _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 16 April 2008 08:08 Subject: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Morning All Just a link you might find useful. I found it impossible to find the Shell VSX in the local motorbike outlets so last year tried AM Oils, who advertise in the back of the LAA magazine. Ordered on line and had the oil within a couple of days. Having used the first 12 bottles I ordered another box on Sunday afternoon ' it arrived this morning (Wednesday). Now that is what I call good service. www.am-oils.co.uk Regards Pete Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 09:12 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 09:12 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:35 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Surplus parts? From: Fred Klein To Trigear converters, By any chance, would anyone in the US happen to have lying around P/N FL24, the monowheel Retraction Lever Guide Plate? I over cut mine and just got it back from a welder who has botched up a repair of it...so I'm looking for a new one. Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:54 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Surplus parts? Fred, I'm at work right now so I can't get to mine to measure, but I think it's only 6061-T6 3/16" x 1 1/4" rectangular bar. Just order the appropriate length from ACS (Part No. 03-46250) @ $2.70/ft + shipping. In any case, if that's not the correct thickness, I'm sure that ACS will have some slab of Aluminum that will do just fine with some gentle file work. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger On Wednesday, April 16, 2008, at 12:34PM, "Fred Klein" wrote: > >To Trigear converters, > >By any chance, would anyone in the US happen to have lying around P/N >FL24, the monowheel Retraction Lever Guide Plate? I over cut mine and >just got it back from a welder who has botched up a repair of it...so >I'm looking for a new one. > >Fred > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:03 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club membership - off topic Hello, I am here regretfully to state that I will be unable to use my VISA card to renew membership in the Europa Club - and thus achieve quick and painless extention to my membership. The reason is a new request of me to utilize something called a "Verify by VISA" so-called service. This service claims to provide additional security by my providing personal information above and beyond that required to get the card (which I have had since its first day in operation). In the Conditions prescribed in the small print is the terribly necessary agreement to permit "various messages of information" from 'third parties', the like of which I already suffer from previous scams - and I am no longer willing to suffer these - nor do I see how these improve any security for either myself nor the trader. So it seems the only method open in spite of all the precautions I (and a myriad of large institutions) have taken, is to revert to HM the post office, which (a) will delay my subscription and thus the use of the funds, (b) will add to the expense (only slightly) and (c) thwart the demands of some upwardly-enthusiastic second-class minor executive. If he/she were to fully explain who these mysterious third parties were and honestly reveal the personal details to which they deserved knowledge, I might be tempted to agree. So, sorry, my delayed renewal (because of the late Flyer) comes across by paqueboat perhaps, but not at the speed of light. If I'm 'way off base, let me know how. Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club membership - off topic From: "josok" Ferg, Thanks for the remainder, i was in the process of forgetting to renew. Also my card payment diverted to "verified by", which brought me to my banks authorization page, and upon entering my password there, approved the transaction. Nothing special, just added security. If this card would have been stolen or borrowed it would have been useless for this transaction. It's not the club or it's handling agent who imposes the extra layer, it is you who have agreed to extra security somewhere in the process of renewing your card. If you are getting "funny" questions, i would immediately contact the bank and the credit card company. And have your computer scanned for back doors and spy ware. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK. From: "josok" Don't know if this has resulted in what i am experiencing: "In accordance with Airworthiness Notice 52, owners of foreign registered amateur built aircraft do not require a CAA Exemption." However Notice 52 then wants me to email or fax data, and i should have a confirmation of the reception of that data with me. Otherwise i am not legal. However, no reply. Is there somebody in our midst who knows where to ask? The CAA does not to have phone numbers, less any living persons name to talk to. Not nice at all. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:41 PM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Surplus parts? Fred I believe I have that part. Call me if you're still looking. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: Europa-List: Surplus parts? To Trigear converters, By any chance, would anyone in the US happen to have lying around P/N FL24, the monowheel Retraction Lever Guide Plate? I over cut mine and just got it back from a welder who has botched up a repair of it...so I'm looking for a new one. Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:42 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK More recently, Skydrive have been cheaper. Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK I always get our VSX4 from Far North Aviation http://www.farnorthaviation.co.uk/fuels.html Think its the cheapest by some margin - quick service too - usually a day, two at most. Peter ----Original Message---- From: pjeffers@talktalk.net Date: 16/04/2008 10:24 To: Subj: RE: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Thanks for the info. I too have found sourcing difficult but I must just query the oil consumption of your engine. Mine only uses a litre in around 100 hrs. Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 16 April 2008 08:08 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Shell VSX supplies UK Morning All Just a link you might find useful. I found it impossible to find the Shell VSX in the local motorbike outlets so last year tried AM Oils, who advertise in the back of the LAA magazine. Ordered on line and had the oil within a couple of days. Having used the first 12 bottles I ordered another box on Sunday afternoon =93 it arrived this morning (Wednesday). Now that is what I call good service. www.am-oils.co.uk Regards Pete Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 09:12 http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. Release Date: 15/04/2008 18:10 Checked by AVG. 15/04/2008 18:10 ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List nics.com .matronics.com/contribution _____________________________________________ Get up to 33% off Norton Security - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:19 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club membership - off topic At 2008-04-16 15:20 -0400 Fergus Kyle wrote: >I am here regretfully to state that I will be unable to use my VISA >card to renew membership in the Europa Club - and thus achieve quick >and painless extention to my membership. The reason is a new request >of me to utilize something called a "Verify by VISA" so-called >service. > >This service claims to provide additional security by my providing >personal information Ferg - you've obviously missed the considerable publicity that most card issuers have generated about Verified by Visa (and other similar schemes such as 3D Secure). Maybe you binned some fancy colour leaflets that came along with your monthly statement? You'll probably find that soon you won't be able to do much online shopping without these extra layers of security. If you haven't already set it up, the first time afer your particular card issuer goes live with it, you'll probably get vectored off to do the setup stuff before you can complete the purchase, unless you have deliberately done the setup already, like it said in the glossy leaflet earlier. Please note that you can't renew (or join) by snail-mail unless you remit in UK funds (pounds sterling) and the Club can now only accept card payments on the website (for reasons explained in tooooo much detail over several memsec columns in the newsletter). Sorry for the extra few minutes it will take people to go through the security hoops. The timing of the implementation is up to individual card issuers so not everyone may see the security stuff immediately. regards Rowland -- | Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Surplus parts? From: Fred Klein Jerry...that would be terrific, but aren't you using yours?..Fred On Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008, at 13:34 US/Pacific, Jerry Rehn wrote: > > Fred > I believe I have that part. Call me if you're still looking. > > Jerry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:18 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Surplus parts? > > > To Trigear converters, > > By any chance, would anyone in the US happen to have lying around P/N > FL24, the monowheel Retraction Lever Guide Plate? I over cut mine and > just got it back from a welder who has botched up a repair of it...so > I'm looking for a new one. > > Fred > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:47 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club membership - off topic To Jos and Rowland, Thank you. I appreciate that you have taken time to respond, and I quite agree with you that added security is a good and necessary thing. Signing credit card authorization receipts which have many of the cards' numbers blanked out was an Improvement - but is still the source of theft when not so treated, - was one improvement, the three-figure number on the back was another. ..and I suppose the extra security steps in this latest attempt are a third. However the previous two did not require that I agree to be the subject of "various items of news and developments from time to time" (or words to that effect). I find that to be an open and indefensible clause which guarantees no security whatsoever. That was not mentioned in the replies but I feel it needs to be. There is a limit to what the credit card can be made to do - just as there is one to email. It cannot be made imperative, no matter what the banks and financial institutions try to impose control. I regard the use of the card as an even trade - my dollars (or whatever) for their goods - not a great privilege, nor an immense favour - but an even trade. The early propaganda was that the card would increase casual and easy spending and so the merchants should be pleased to play. Nevertheless there are many merchants in North America who refuse to accept the card because they now must pay a greater percentage than when they began. I cannot blame them. When they rescind the blackmail of forcing me to receive their offal, I will recant - unless of course they sign an agreement to accept mine - otherwise it is no longer an even trade. But I've made my arrangements, so the cheque (which is still an approved and legal currency) will arrive in pounds. ..no anger. I still regard my membership in the Club as a vital adjunct to the build. and it will be for two years. Happy landings Ferg A064 Eleven years and stumbling ahead ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Surplus parts? From: Fred Klein On Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008, at 11:19 US/Pacific, Robert Borger wrote: > I'm at work right now so I can't get to mine to measure, but I think > it's only 6061-T6 3/16" x 1 1/4" rectangular bar. Just order the > appropriate length from ACS (Part No. 03-46250) @ $2.70/ft + shipping. Hi Bob, With my limited tool inventory, the pre-cut slot in FL24 is a real advantage for me over making one up from stock; enlarging slot for the gates I can handle (at least on a second try!). Before I order one from the factory, I thought it worth the time to see if a trigear-converter had one lying around. 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