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1. 04:05 AM - Shell VSX supplies UK (Justin Kennedy)
2. 04:20 AM - Schengen Cross Border Flights (Brian and Pat Tarmar)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Surplus parts? (Robert Borger)
4. 05:27 AM - Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights (Alan Burrill)
5. 05:36 AM - Re : Schengen Cross Border Flights (NEEL Jean Philippe)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights (David Watts)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: Re : Schengen Cross Border Flights (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
8. 07:33 AM - Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights (David Joyce)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: Re : Schengen Cross Border Flights (David Joyce)
10. 08:26 AM - Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights (Mike Gregory)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: Europa Club membership - off topic (D Wysong)
12. 10:35 AM - Flying to the UK. (Remi Guerner)
13. 10:59 AM - Re: Re : Schengen Cross Border Flights (karelvranken)
14. 12:54 PM - 912 rubber components. (Carl Pattinson)
15. 02:16 PM - Re: 912 rubber components. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
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| Subject: | Shell VSX supplies UK |
I too get mine from Andy Bruce at
http://www.farnorthaviation.co.uk/fuels.html
Great mail order service and loads cheaper
Justin
G-ZTED Classic Monowheel 912S
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| Subject: | Schengen Cross Border Flights |
Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one
Schengen country to another without problems? I am planning to fly from
Southern France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information
from either AIP.
Brian Tarmar
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Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Surplus parts? |
Fred,
I understand completely. Cutting a slot in a slab of aluminum bar is no trivial
task unless one has access to a milling machine. It will be a lot easier if
you can find an unused FL24 as a starting point.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
On Thursday, April 17, 2008, at 12:07AM, "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
wrote:
>
>
>On Wednesday, Apr 16, 2008, at 11:19 US/Pacific, Robert Borger wrote:
>
>> I'm at work right now so I can't get to mine to measure, but I think
>> it's only 6061-T6 3/16" x 1 1/4" rectangular bar. Just order the
>> appropriate length from ACS (Part No. 03-46250) @ $2.70/ft + shipping.
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>With my limited tool inventory, the pre-cut slot in FL24 is a real
>advantage for me over making one up from stock; enlarging slot for the
>gates I can handle (at least on a second try!). Before I order one from
>the factory, I thought it worth the time to see if a trigear-converter
>had one lying around.
>
>Fred
>
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| Subject: | Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights |
Try the looking in the French AIC list. Last time I was looking I
found it there. I'll try and look tonight on internet and update.
Alan
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On 17 Apr 2008, at 12:17, "Brian and Pat Tarmar"
<freefolk@screaming.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one
> Schengen country to another without problems? I am planning to fly
> from Southern France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this
> information from either AIP.
>
> Brian Tarmar
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| Subject: | Schengen Cross Border Flights |
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| Subject: | Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights |
Are you sure about that.
I think you will find that as the UK did not sign up to Schengen then
all UK residents are required to clear customs when going to another
country even once you are on mainland Europe.
All other European Nationals can certainly travel at will throughout
mainland Europe and with that in mind you may well get away with, but I
am sure the official line is that we UK people need to clear customs.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY Europa Classic Monowheel
----- Original Message -----
From: NEEL Jean Philippe
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: Re : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Bonjour Brian,
You are right.
From France to Spain you need a flight plan but it is not necessary to
take off and land from an airfield with custom service.
Jean Philippe Neel
F-PSLH N=C2=B0 273
Grenoble France
----- Message d'origine ----
De : Brian and Pat Tarmar <freefolk@screaming.net>
=C3 : europa-list@matronics.com
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 17 Avril 2008, 13h17mn 36s
Objet : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one
Schengen country to another without problems? I am planning to fly from
Southern France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information
from either AIP.
Brian Tarmar
G-OBJT Classic Trigear 912s with XS firewall forward and Woodcomp
Varia Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights |
If memory serves me right, you do need written permission from the Spanish
to fly a permit aircraft in Spain though. Don't know if charge for granting
it or for how long it lasts. Does anyone know if Belgium still charges - l
ast time I heard, they did and it was quite a bit (=C2=A350 ish).
Peter
----Original Message----
From: jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr
Subj: Re : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Bonjour Brian,
You are right.
>From France to Spain you need a flight plan but it is not necessary to take
off and land from an airfield with custom service.
Jean Philippe Neel
F-PSLH N=C2=B0 273
Grenoble France
----- Message d'origine ----
De : Brian and Pat Tarmar <freefolk@screaming.net>
=C3 : europa-list@matronics.com
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 17 Avril 2008, 13h17mn 36s
Objet : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one Schengen
country to another without problems? I am planning to fly from Southern Fr
ance to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information from either AI
P.
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| Subject: | Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights |
David, We have to clear at a customs airfield when we first land in any
Schengen country. Thereafter we can go freely from one Schengen country to
another stopping anywhere. It is effectively a single country for customs &
flying purposes, apart from the need to file a flight plan when crossing
any FIR boundary. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Watts" <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Are you sure about that.
I think you will find that as the UK did not sign up to Schengen then all UK
residents are required to clear customs when going to another country even
once you are on mainland Europe.
All other European Nationals can certainly travel at will throughout
mainland Europe and with that in mind you may well get away with, but I am
sure the official line is that we UK people need to clear customs.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY Europa Classic Monowheel
----- Original Message -----
From: NEEL Jean Philippe
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: Re : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Bonjour Brian,
You are right.
From France to Spain you need a flight plan but it is not necessary to
take off and land from an airfield with custom service.
Jean Philippe Neel
F-PSLH N 273
Grenoble France
----- Message d'origine ----
De : Brian and Pat Tarmar <freefolk@screaming.net>
: europa-list@matronics.com
Envoy le : Jeudi, 17 Avril 2008, 13h17mn 36s
Objet : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one Schengen
country to another without problems? I am planning to fly from Southern
France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information from either
AIP.
Brian Tarmar
G-OBJT Classic Trigear 912s with XS firewall forward and Woodcomp Varia
Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights |
Peter, Spain don't charge but do take ages to reply. Italy and Czech
Republic, both of whom used to require special permission relaxed this in
2007, (I have written confirmation from both) so it is possible that
Belgium, Spain and Greece are also moving into line as part of some EASA
process. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Re : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
If memory serves me right, you do need written permission from the Spanish
to fly a permit aircraft in Spain though. Don't know if charge for granting
it or for how long it lasts. Does anyone know if Belgium still charges -
last time I heard, they did and it was quite a bit (50 ish).
Peter
----Original Message----
From: jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr
Subj: Re : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Bonjour Brian,
You are right.
>From France to Spain you need a flight plan but it is not necessary to take
off and land from an airfield with custom service.
Jean Philippe Neel
F-PSLH N 273
Grenoble France
----- Message d'origine ----
De : Brian and Pat Tarmar <freefolk@screaming.net>
: europa-list@matronics.com
Envoy le : Jeudi, 17 Avril 2008, 13h17mn 36s
Objet : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one Schengen
country to another without problems? I am planning to fly from Southern
France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information from either
AIP.
Brian Tarmar
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| Subject: | Schengen Cross Border Flights |
Brian,
My understanding is that you must always enter the first Schengen country
and did part from the last Schengen country at customs airfields when
travelling from or to non-Schengen countries will start. For example,
during the 2004 Europa Club Six Nations tour, we entered France from the UK
at Le Touquet (a customs airfield, although customs did not take any
action); later, we flew from Austria to Italy without a requirement customs,
but on leaving Italy for Switzerland we had to wait while the customs
formalities were completed, except for one aircraft that was able to depart
without delay because they decided to go to France. You must, however, file
a flight plan when crossing an international boundary. Although it is
expected that people will do this in advance, it is possible to file a
flight plan while airborne, as happened when a planned French internal
flight to Biarritz necessitated a diversion to San Sebastian in Spain when
Biarritz refused us permission to land because they were not accepting GA
aircraft at the time, which their NOTAM had not made clear.
As for the rules regarding permission for permit aircraft to fly in various
countries, there is an article by the Light Aircraft Association
(http://www.laa.uk.com/ , go to Engineering and look for "Travelling Abroad
in a Permit Aircraft" which has entries for a number of countries. For
Spain it has:
"SPAIN
Direccion General de Aviacion Civil
Area de Inspeccion y Seguridad en Vuelo
Paseo de la Castellana 67, 28071 Madrid, Spain
No response to our original letter has been received from the Spanish
Authority. However, in
reply to a further letter from LAA they have confirmed that all home-built
and factory-built
Permit aircraft do require permission. Permission would normally be issued
on receipt of copies
of Permit to Fly documents and Certificate of Insurance.
No reply to last enquiry (06/08).
You will see from the introduction to the article that it is not always
possible to get a reply, and that many people have travelled without seeking
or obtaining permission and not had a problem.
Other members they have some more up-to-date information. It is only to be
hoped that things will get a lot clearer under EASA.
Regards
Mike
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian and Pat
Tarmar
Sent: 17 April 2008 12:18
Subject: Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one Schengen
country to another without problems? I am planning to fly from Southern
France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information from either
AIP.
Brian Tarmar
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club membership - off topic |
> When they rescind the blackmail of forcing me to receive their
> offal, I will recant - unless of course they sign an agreement to accept
> mine - otherwise it is no longer an even trade. But I've made my
> arrangements, so the cheque (which is still an approved and legal currency)
> will arrive in pounds.
The thought of you wheeling a bin full of epoxy cups, burned wire,
fiberglass trimmings, and banana peels to the Post Office in order to
fulfill your half of the "even trade" had me giggling, Ferg. Please
have SWMBO take pictures if this ever occurs! :-)
The fine print in the agreements here in the States includes an "Opt
Out" clause by law. We usually have to mail a letter or phone them or
jump through an additional hoop, but this action stops the "third
party" nonsense. Hopefully you can find the same protection overseas.
Good luck!
D
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| Subject: | Flying to the UK. |
Hello Jos,
I was also puzzled by these two documents which say just the opposite!
I have been flying several times to the UK since this AN52 was
published. Every time I sent my request for an exemption and did not
receive any response. I always take a copy of my request with me.
I flew to Guernsey last Tuesday, I sent my request for exemption with
the same result. By the way all the Channel Island airports now require
that aircraft operating on a Permit to Fly get a written permission.
Application should be accompanied by copies of aircraft insurance and
permit to fly. This requirement is mentioned on the Visual Approach
Chart. As my Europa has a french C of A, I do not consider it is a
Permit to Fly so I did not ask permission and this did not make any
problem there.
Regards
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
Jos Okhuijsen wrote:
Don't know if this has resulted in what i am experiencing:
"In accordance with Airworthiness Notice 52, owners of foreign
registered amateur
built aircraft do not require a CAA Exemption."
However Notice 52 then wants me to email or fax data, and i should have
a confirmation
of the reception of that data with me. Otherwise i am not legal.
However, no reply. Is there somebody in our midst who knows where to
ask? The CAA
does not to have phone numbers, less any living persons name to talk to.
Not
nice at all.
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| Subject: | Re: Schengen Cross Border Flights |
Peter,
Indeed, in Belgium they ask 83 Euro for a permit foreign aircraft to
operate in the country. It lasts for one year and for maximum 30 flights
who have to be reported in the month of january. Seems that there is no
control. As a belgian citizen with a french registered Europa I should
have to pay it each year to operate over my own country. This year I
forgot it perhaps because I feel like a european citizen and why
shouldn't we have the same rights as cardrivers?
Regards,
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Re : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
If memory serves me right, you do need written permission from the
Spanish to fly a permit aircraft in Spain though. Don't know if charge
for granting it or for how long it lasts. Does anyone know if Belgium
still charges - last time I heard, they did and it was quite a bit
(=C2=A350 ish).
Peter
----Original Message----
From: jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr
Date: 17/04/2008 13:33
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
Subj: Re : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Bonjour Brian,
You are right.
From France to Spain you need a flight plan but it is not necessary to
take off and land from an airfield with custom service.
Jean Philippe Neel
F-PSLH N=C2=B0 273
Grenoble France
----- Message d'origine ----
De : Brian and Pat Tarmar <freefolk@screaming.net>
=C3 : europa-list@matronics.com
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 17 Avril 2008, 13h17mn 36s
Objet : Europa-List: Schengen Cross Border Flights
Does anyone know if we can fly from a non-customs airfield in one
Schengen country to another without problems? I am planning to fly from
Southern France to Spain this summer and cannot obtain this information
from either AIP.
Brian Tarmar
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Varia Prop
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| Subject: | 912 rubber components. |
My Rotax 912 has passed its 5 year mark and now requires complete
replacement of all rubber components.
Conair sell a kit and although it would be the easiest option at a cost of
320 is certainly NOT the cheapest.
Even if you are able to source the coolant and oil hoses elsewhere there is
still a fairly painful bill for 2x carburettor flanges (57 each) and then
2x carburettor diaphragms (45 each). Aerosport sell these genuine Rotax
parts slightly cheaper (though not much).
http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_37.html
There dosent seem to be an alternative source for the flanges (ie: the
genuine ones) , though I believe the Mikuni flanges are claimed to be the
same - however the diaphragms are available from here
http://www.motobins.co.uk/displayfinal.php?function=show&subs=084&title=DIAPHRAGMS+%26+GASKETS
and they are genuine Bing components. I havent as yet figured out the
correct size yet though.
I note that Aerosport no longer list the Mikuni flange as an alternative -
presumably Rotax had a quiet word and made them stop selling them. Its
interesting to note the Mikuni flanges are available on Ebay for as little
as $5 each, but it is probably too risky to use non Rotax components - YES I
am aware that it constitutes a non approved modification.
Does anyone else have a simple cost effective solution to the problem - or
should I just grin and pay up.
I also spoke to Roger at the factory who told me that replacing the fuel
lines and radiator hoses is NOT mandatory as far as they are concerned -
anyone know different.
However there is an issue with the PVC sight hose as my understanding is
that the PFA dosent approve its use (anywhere in the fuel system).
Presumably a glass sight tube is the only alternative.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
PS: Does anyone know the correct size of the Bing rubber diaphragm - is it a
32m or a 40mm??? (or is it neither).
----- Original Message -----
From: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Club membership - off topic
>
>> When they rescind the blackmail of forcing me to receive their
>> offal, I will recant - unless of course they sign an agreement to accept
>> mine - otherwise it is no longer an even trade. But I've made my
>> arrangements, so the cheque (which is still an approved and legal
>> currency)
>> will arrive in pounds.
>
> The thought of you wheeling a bin full of epoxy cups, burned wire,
> fiberglass trimmings, and banana peels to the Post Office in order to
> fulfill your half of the "even trade" had me giggling, Ferg. Please
> have SWMBO take pictures if this ever occurs! :-)
>
> The fine print in the agreements here in the States includes an "Opt
> Out" clause by law. We usually have to mail a letter or phone them or
> jump through an additional hoop, but this action stops the "third
> party" nonsense. Hopefully you can find the same protection overseas.
>
> Good luck!
>
> D
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 rubber components. |
Carl,
There were two Genuine Rotax carb diaphragms on Ebay recently; 99p for both!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290199808202
PVC pipe is banned anywhere in the fuel system (including sight gauge) by
MPG 1998-019 R1
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/MPDs/MPDStandard.pdf
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 912 rubber components.
> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> My Rotax 912 has passed its 5 year mark and now requires complete
> replacement of all rubber components.
>
> Conair sell a kit and although it would be the easiest option at a cost of
> 320 is certainly NOT the cheapest.
>
> Even if you are able to source the coolant and oil hoses elsewhere there
> is still a fairly painful bill for 2x carburettor flanges (57 each) and
> then 2x carburettor diaphragms (45 each). Aerosport sell these genuine
> Rotax parts slightly cheaper (though not much).
> http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_37.html
>
> There dosent seem to be an alternative source for the flanges (ie: the
> genuine ones) , though I believe the Mikuni flanges are claimed to be the
> same - however the diaphragms are available from here
> http://www.motobins.co.uk/displayfinal.php?function=show&subs=084&title=DIAPHRAGMS+%26+GASKETS
> and they are genuine Bing components. I havent as yet figured out the
> correct size yet though.
>
> I note that Aerosport no longer list the Mikuni flange as an alternative -
> presumably Rotax had a quiet word and made them stop selling them. Its
> interesting to note the Mikuni flanges are available on Ebay for as little
> as $5 each, but it is probably too risky to use non Rotax components - YES
> I am aware that it constitutes a non approved modification.
>
> Does anyone else have a simple cost effective solution to the problem - or
> should I just grin and pay up.
>
> I also spoke to Roger at the factory who told me that replacing the fuel
> lines and radiator hoses is NOT mandatory as far as they are concerned -
> anyone know different.
>
> However there is an issue with the PVC sight hose as my understanding is
> that the PFA dosent approve its use (anywhere in the fuel system).
> Presumably a glass sight tube is the only alternative.
>
> Carl Pattinson
>
> G-LABS
>
> PS: Does anyone know the correct size of the Bing rubber diaphragm - is it
> a 32m or a 40mm??? (or is it neither).
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:19 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Club membership - off topic
>
>
>>
>>> When they rescind the blackmail of forcing me to receive their
>>> offal, I will recant - unless of course they sign an agreement to
>>> accept
>>> mine - otherwise it is no longer an even trade. But I've made my
>>> arrangements, so the cheque (which is still an approved and legal
>>> currency)
>>> will arrive in pounds.
>>
>> The thought of you wheeling a bin full of epoxy cups, burned wire,
>> fiberglass trimmings, and banana peels to the Post Office in order to
>> fulfill your half of the "even trade" had me giggling, Ferg. Please
>> have SWMBO take pictures if this ever occurs! :-)
>>
>> The fine print in the agreements here in the States includes an "Opt
>> Out" clause by law. We usually have to mail a letter or phone them or
>> jump through an additional hoop, but this action stops the "third
>> party" nonsense. Hopefully you can find the same protection overseas.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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