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1. 02:14 AM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (craig bastin)
2. 04:34 AM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (Mike Gregory)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (Ivor Phillips)
4. 11:47 AM - Sleeping Aboard (Fergus Kyle)
5. 12:27 PM - Re: Sleeping Aboard ()
6. 12:39 PM - Re: Sleeping Aboard (Fred Klein)
7. 01:23 PM - DOTH Panshanger Fri. 25th (Paddy Clarke)
8. 03:24 PM - Re: Sleeping Aboard (karelvranken)
9. 04:02 PM - Re: Camping Mod (Graham Singleton)
10. 04:09 PM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (Graham Singleton)
11. 07:10 PM - Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed (Paul McAllister)
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| Subject: | Sleeping aboiard |
Sleeping aboiardThat was sort of along the lines I was thinking about, but
mine is a trike, so no leveler will be needed
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:05 AM
To: EUROPALIST
Subject: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard
I have a design for a number of devices about entry into the tail section,
one of which is adapted to a single bed. It requires a tailwheel lifter to
acquire a horizontal state though. I am planning
To revise another bar which could be used to lift the tailwheel securely
for that purpose. The head would then be forward between the headrests and
one could then roll slightly to relieve the usual ennui.
I added a prelim sketch to the Fuselage Album in my Gallery corner. When I
go in headfirst, I crank up the tailwheel to level the bed before
entering I cant afford the excess blood wasted in my noggin otherwise..
F
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3:51 PM
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| Subject: | Sleeping aboiard |
Craig,
You may wish to place a support under the tail, so that it doesn't crash
down when you climb into the rear section! I seem to remember the crew of
the old DC4 placing such a support before loading or unloading cargo, to
avoid such embarrassment.
A general point for tri-gear owners is to make sure that both occupants do
not step on the rear of the wing walkway at the same time. I witnessed this
happen last year, and there was damage to the mainwheel spats (pants) that
appeared superficial but had interfered with one of the brake fittings.
The message is: always watch your weight and balance!
Mike
EuropaClub Safety Officer
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: 23 April 2008 10:12
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard
That was sort of along the lines I was thinking about, but mine is a trike,
so no leveler will be needed
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:05 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard
I have a design for a number of devices about entry into the tail section,
one of which is adapted to a single bed. It requires a tailwheel lifter to
acquire a horizontal state though. I am planning
To revise another bar which could be used to lift the tailwheel securely
for that purpose. The head would then be forward between the 'headrests' and
one could then roll slightly to relieve the usual ennui.
I added a prelim sketch to the Fuselage Album in my Gallery corner. When I
go in headfirst, I crank up the tailwheel to level the 'bed' before entering
- I can't afford the excess blood wasted in my noggin otherwise...
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| Subject: | Sleeping aboiard |
Good point Mike, But the destructions :-) for fitting the spats (pants)
stipulates putting the tail on the ground to simulate a very high nose
angle, then fitting spats (pants) with a small additional clearance,
But point Taken,
Ivor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard
Craig,
You may wish to place a support under the tail, so that it doesn't crash
down when you climb into the rear section! I seem to remember the crew
of the old DC4 placing such a support before loading or unloading cargo,
to avoid such embarrassment.
A general point for tri-gear owners is to make sure that both occupants
do not step on the rear of the wing walkway at the same time. I
witnessed this happen last year, and there was damage to the mainwheel
spats (pants) that appeared superficial but had interfered with one of
the brake fittings.
The message is: always watch your weight and balance!
Mike
EuropaClub Safety Officer
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Mike and Craig,
Mike's right of course - it's your own CofG that rules ..weight
should not be a factor
But Balance is.....
Science moves on, so I have a photo of a 747 with its nose skyward
and its rear
aground........ and that's before they found out what the bent bits were
about. Tut and double tut.
I neglected to mention that the second bulkhead (mod) contained the 'D'
panel which bottom
edge was made level with the tank top.
Fair winds
Ferg
PS: My buddy volunteered to enter the tail section without checking with the
foreman, it tipped,
and we had to twist his feet to unscrew him from the aft section. Funny, he
never came back.
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| Subject: | Re: Sleeping Aboard |
Hi Guys
A little off topic, but I think I remember reading that if you have a
Monowheel a bit on the nose heavy side, if you remove the tailplanes it
will levitate the tailwheel with no assistance.
Is this true? Did anyone experiance?
Ron Parigoris
I added 3 pounds of lead to lead edge of stabilators and was able to
reduce mass balance weight by .8 pounds. Figure I will be more at risk
than normal.
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| Subject: | Re: Sleeping Aboard |
Can''t help but wonder if anyone else's mind has gone where mine has on
this topic.
Although I can picture myself lying serenely on a padded plank nudged
between the head rests, feet extending aft thru the space opened by
removal of the "D" bulkhead panel, eyes closed w/ one of the side
window hatches propped open, I keep getting this negative image which
is too much akin to a casket open for viewing.
Does the term, "flying coffin" ring any bells?
All in all, I suspect I will avail myself of the commodious baggage
space to carry a small tent and sleeping pad to pitch alongside, if not
under, our marvelous wings.
Thinking positively,
Fred
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| Subject: | DOTH Panshanger Fri. 25th |
Hi Folks,
Due Sun 'n Fun and the weather we haven't managed a DOTH for some
time. How about warming up for William and Pauls do at the weekend
with a DOTH to Panshanger on Friday. 1200ish, voucher in Flyer,
All the Best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Sleeping Aboard |
Ron,
Keep us informed of the empty weight of your beauty once she is finished.
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sleeping Aboard
>
> Hi Guys
>
> A little off topic, but I think I remember reading that if you have a
> Monowheel a bit on the nose heavy side, if you remove the tailplanes it
> will levitate the tailwheel with no assistance.
>
> Is this true? Did anyone experiance?
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
> I added 3 pounds of lead to lead edge of stabilators and was able to
> reduce mass balance weight by .8 pounds. Figure I will be more at risk
> than normal.
>
>
>
>
>
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Or bend the steam tube, as we used to call it!
imho hardest thing is getting out again. Fell asleep once in there !:-0
Graham
Kingsley Hurst wrote:
I mean, where else can you balance
> on one arm while trying to do six things with the other all the time
> trying to levitate oneself in order not to damage the floor
> structure?.
>
> Kingsley in Oz
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sleeping aboiard |
It Will !!
the tail will hit the ground when you first crawl in if you don't block
it up
Graham
craig bastin wrote:
> That was sort of along the lines I was thinking about, but mine is a
> trike, so no leveler will be needed
>
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| Subject: | Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed |
Hi All,
Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to
convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob
Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this
summer and then over winter I will do the conversion.
I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some
generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on
the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is
used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a
splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished.
If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would
cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you
can help.
Thanks and regards, Paul
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