---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/23/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:14 AM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (craig bastin) 2. 04:34 AM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (Mike Gregory) 3. 07:36 AM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (Ivor Phillips) 4. 11:47 AM - Sleeping Aboard (Fergus Kyle) 5. 12:27 PM - Re: Sleeping Aboard () 6. 12:39 PM - Re: Sleeping Aboard (Fred Klein) 7. 01:23 PM - DOTH Panshanger Fri. 25th (Paddy Clarke) 8. 03:24 PM - Re: Sleeping Aboard (karelvranken) 9. 04:02 PM - Re: Camping Mod (Graham Singleton) 10. 04:09 PM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (Graham Singleton) 11. 07:10 PM - Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed (Paul McAllister) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:19 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard Sleeping aboiardThat was sort of along the lines I was thinking about, but mine is a trike, so no leveler will be needed -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:05 AM To: EUROPALIST Subject: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard I have a design for a number of devices about entry into the tail section, one of which is adapted to a single bed. It requires a tailwheel lifter to acquire a horizontal state though. I am planning To revise another bar which could be used to lift the tailwheel securely for that purpose. The head would then be forward between the headrests and one could then roll slightly to relieve the usual ennui. I added a prelim sketch to the Fuselage Album in my Gallery corner. When I go in headfirst, I crank up the tailwheel to level the bed before entering I cant afford the excess blood wasted in my noggin otherwise.. F Checked by AVG. 3:51 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:44 AM PST US From: "Mike Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard Craig, You may wish to place a support under the tail, so that it doesn't crash down when you climb into the rear section! I seem to remember the crew of the old DC4 placing such a support before loading or unloading cargo, to avoid such embarrassment. A general point for tri-gear owners is to make sure that both occupants do not step on the rear of the wing walkway at the same time. I witnessed this happen last year, and there was damage to the mainwheel spats (pants) that appeared superficial but had interfered with one of the brake fittings. The message is: always watch your weight and balance! Mike EuropaClub Safety Officer _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin Sent: 23 April 2008 10:12 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard That was sort of along the lines I was thinking about, but mine is a trike, so no leveler will be needed -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard I have a design for a number of devices about entry into the tail section, one of which is adapted to a single bed. It requires a tailwheel lifter to acquire a horizontal state though. I am planning To revise another bar which could be used to lift the tailwheel securely for that purpose. The head would then be forward between the 'headrests' and one could then roll slightly to relieve the usual ennui. I added a prelim sketch to the Fuselage Album in my Gallery corner. When I go in headfirst, I crank up the tailwheel to level the 'bed' before entering - I can't afford the excess blood wasted in my noggin otherwise... F href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:07 AM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard Good point Mike, But the destructions :-) for fitting the spats (pants) stipulates putting the tail on the ground to simulate a very high nose angle, then fitting spats (pants) with a small additional clearance, But point Taken, Ivor Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard Craig, You may wish to place a support under the tail, so that it doesn't crash down when you climb into the rear section! I seem to remember the crew of the old DC4 placing such a support before loading or unloading cargo, to avoid such embarrassment. A general point for tri-gear owners is to make sure that both occupants do not step on the rear of the wing walkway at the same time. I witnessed this happen last year, and there was damage to the mainwheel spats (pants) that appeared superficial but had interfered with one of the brake fittings. The message is: always watch your weight and balance! Mike EuropaClub Safety Officer ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:44 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Sleeping Aboard Mike and Craig, Mike's right of course - it's your own CofG that rules ..weight should not be a factor But Balance is..... Science moves on, so I have a photo of a 747 with its nose skyward and its rear aground........ and that's before they found out what the bent bits were about. Tut and double tut. I neglected to mention that the second bulkhead (mod) contained the 'D' panel which bottom edge was made level with the tank top. Fair winds Ferg PS: My buddy volunteered to enter the tail section without checking with the foreman, it tipped, and we had to twist his feet to unscrew him from the aft section. Funny, he never came back. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sleeping Aboard From: Hi Guys A little off topic, but I think I remember reading that if you have a Monowheel a bit on the nose heavy side, if you remove the tailplanes it will levitate the tailwheel with no assistance. Is this true? Did anyone experiance? Ron Parigoris I added 3 pounds of lead to lead edge of stabilators and was able to reduce mass balance weight by .8 pounds. Figure I will be more at risk than normal. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:15 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sleeping Aboard From: Fred Klein Can''t help but wonder if anyone else's mind has gone where mine has on this topic. Although I can picture myself lying serenely on a padded plank nudged between the head rests, feet extending aft thru the space opened by removal of the "D" bulkhead panel, eyes closed w/ one of the side window hatches propped open, I keep getting this negative image which is too much akin to a casket open for viewing. Does the term, "flying coffin" ring any bells? All in all, I suspect I will avail myself of the commodious baggage space to carry a small tent and sleeping pad to pitch alongside, if not under, our marvelous wings. Thinking positively, Fred do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:54 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Panshanger Fri. 25th Hi Folks, Due Sun 'n Fun and the weather we haven't managed a DOTH for some time. How about warming up for William and Pauls do at the weekend with a DOTH to Panshanger on Friday. 1200ish, voucher in Flyer, All the Best, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:23 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sleeping Aboard Ron, Keep us informed of the empty weight of your beauty once she is finished. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sleeping Aboard > > Hi Guys > > A little off topic, but I think I remember reading that if you have a > Monowheel a bit on the nose heavy side, if you remove the tailplanes it > will levitate the tailwheel with no assistance. > > Is this true? Did anyone experiance? > > Ron Parigoris > > I added 3 pounds of lead to lead edge of stabilators and was able to > reduce mass balance weight by .8 pounds. Figure I will be more at risk > than normal. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:32 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Camping Mod Or bend the steam tube, as we used to call it! imho hardest thing is getting out again. Fell asleep once in there !:-0 Graham Kingsley Hurst wrote: I mean, where else can you balance > on one arm while trying to do six things with the other all the time > trying to levitate oneself in order not to damage the floor > structure?. > > Kingsley in Oz > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:39 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard It Will !! the tail will hit the ground when you first crawl in if you don't block it up Graham craig bastin wrote: > That was sort of along the lines I was thinking about, but mine is a > trike, so no leveler will be needed > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:40 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed Hi All, Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this summer and then over winter I will do the conversion. I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished. If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you can help. 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