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Thu 04/24/08


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     1. 01:31 AM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed (Brian Davies)
     2. 02:02 AM - Re: Sleeping aboiard (craig bastin)
     3. 07:56 AM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed (Jeff B)
     4. 08:18 AM - Re: Rough River - Was Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed (Robert Borger)
     5. 09:14 AM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
     6. 09:43 AM - Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN (JEFF ROBERTS)
     7. 10:43 AM - William and Paul's flyin (David.Corbett)
     8. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN (Paul McAllister)
     9. 12:13 PM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed (david miller)
    10. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN (Garry)
    11. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN (Graham Singleton)
    12. 07:06 PM - Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (Paul McAllister)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:31:11 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
    Subject: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed
    Hi Paul, I converted my Mono to a Trigear last year and fitted the Matco master cylinders using the factory kit. The moulding I think you are referring to is actually two mouldings. One creates a horizontal platform to mount the master cylinders and the other is a bolt on cover to replace the large area of tunnel that you have to remove. Having a nice (but heavy) leather interior I could not bring myself to cut such a large chunk out of the tunnel and fit an ugly bolted cover in its place. I built a simple platform out of plywood & fibre glass that could be removed from the wheel well and simply cut a second slot in the tunnel for the second brake lever. (all approved by the UK LAA). There is a picture of the removable platform that I built on page 10 of the latest Europa Flyer. I can send you more detail if you need it. Having done all this work I discovered Nev Eyre had a much simpler approach- just fit a second mono brake master cylinder alongside the existing one. Brian Davies kit 454 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: 24 April 2008 03:07 Subject: Europa-List: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed --> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> Hi All, Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this summer and then over winter I will do the conversion. I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished. If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you can help. Thanks and regards, Paul Checked by AVG. 15:51 Checked by AVG. 15:51


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    Time: 02:02:11 AM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Sleeping aboiard
    I meant in as far as sleeping with ones legs through the D panel and your head over the seats, Obviously if i were to get in the back behind the main gear and weighed more than say your bags, then yes you would be in trouble. I was more referring to the fact that the trike sits more or less level on the ground, where as the mono sits tail down. craig Do Not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sleeping aboiard <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> It Will !! the tail will hit the ground when you first crawl in if you don't block it up Graham craig bastin wrote: > That was sort of along the lines I was thinking about, but mine is a > trike, so no leveler will be needed > Checked by AVG. 7:16 PM Checked by AVG. 7:16 PM


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    Time: 07:56:41 AM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed
    Paul, When I fitted the brake cylinder to Baby Blue, I constructed a plywood shelf across the tunnel, at the proper height, then glassed it in. The cylinder fits nicely on the shelf and, after removing the narrow hump, in the center of the console, a flat plat finished out the installation, nicely as well as provided a mount for the throttle assembly. After returning from SNF, with my newly purchased Trio altitude hold, I found the the shelf also provided a perfect mount for the electronic control head... ;) I'll be happy to show you what I did, at the Rough River gathering. See you (and hopefully several others) then. Jeff - Baby Blue 396 hrs Paul McAllister wrote: > > Hi All, > > Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to > convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob > Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this > summer and then over winter I will do the conversion. > > I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some > generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on > the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is > used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a > splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished. > > If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would > cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you > can help. > > Thanks and regards, Paul > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:18:42 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Rough River - Was Conventional tail dragger conversion
    - Help Needed Jeff et. al., Is Rough River on again this year? Dates please. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger On Thursday, April 24, 2008, at 10:11AM, "Jeff B" <topglock@cox.net> wrote: > >Paul, > >When I fitted the brake cylinder to Baby Blue, I constructed a plywood >shelf across the tunnel, at the proper height, then glassed it in. The >cylinder fits nicely on the shelf and, after removing the narrow hump, >in the center of the console, a flat plat finished out the installation, >nicely as well as provided a mount for the throttle assembly. After >returning from SNF, with my newly purchased Trio altitude hold, I found >the the shelf also provided a perfect mount for the electronic control >head... ;) I'll be happy to show you what I did, at the Rough River >gathering. > >See you (and hopefully several others) then. > >Jeff - Baby Blue >396 hrs


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    Time: 09:14:48 AM PST US
    From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed
    Jeff- Nice seeing you and everyone else at SNF. I have the problems with my wing closeout fixed and am only a few hours from having them completed. Did someone reserve a large boat for the group to go out to dinner? If you will recall, we tried to last time and it was booked weeks in advance. Also, have dates been tied down, and what are they? I plan to bring my dingy and outboard so anyone who wants to see the area is welcome to them. It does not look like I will be done by then so will also pick up a couple of cases of beer on the way up. Jim Puglise A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net> > > Paul, > > When I fitted the brake cylinder to Baby Blue, I constructed a plywood > shelf across the tunnel, at the proper height, then glassed it in. The > cylinder fits nicely on the shelf and, after removing the narrow hump, > in the center of the console, a flat plat finished out the installation, > nicely as well as provided a mount for the throttle assembly. After > returning from SNF, with my newly purchased Trio altitude hold, I found > the the shelf also provided a perfect mount for the electronic control > head... ;) I'll be happy to show you what I did, at the Rough River > gathering. > > See you (and hopefully several others) then. > > Jeff - Baby Blue > 396 hrs > > Paul McAllister wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to > > convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob > > Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this > > summer and then over winter I will do the conversion. > > > > I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some > > generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on > > the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is > > used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a > > splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished. > > > > If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would > > cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you > > can help. > > > > Thanks and regards, Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <html><body> <DIV>Jeff-</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Nice seeing you and everyone else at SNF.&nbsp; I have the problems with my wing closeout fixed and am only a few hours from having them completed.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Did someone reserve a large boat for the group to go out to dinner?&nbsp; If you will recall, we tried to last time and it was booked weeks in advance.&nbsp; Also, have dates been tied down, and what are they? </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I plan to bring my dingy and outboard so anyone who wants to see the area is welcome to them.&nbsp; It does not look like I will be done by then so will also pick up a couple of cases of beer on the way up.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Jim Puglise A-283</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Jeff B &lt;topglock@cox.net&gt; <BR><BR>&gt; --&gt; Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <TOPGLOCK@COX.NET><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Paul, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; When I fitted the brake cylinder to Baby Blue, I constructed a plywood <BR>&gt; shelf across the tunnel, at the proper height, then glassed it in. The <BR>&gt; cylinder fits nicely on the shelf and, after removing the narrow hump, <BR>&gt; in the center of the console, a flat plat finished out the installation, <BR>&gt; nicely as well as provided a mount for the throttle assembly. After <BR>&gt; returning from SNF, with my newly purchased Trio altitude hold, I found <BR>&gt; the the shelf also provided a perfect mount for the electronic control <BR>&gt; head... ;) I'll be happy to show you what I did, at the Rough River <BR>&gt; gathering. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; See you (and hopefully severa l othe rs) then. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Jeff - Baby Blue <BR>&gt; 396 hrs <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Paul McAllister wrote: <BR>&gt; &gt; --&gt; Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <BR>&gt; <PAUL.THE.AVIATOR@GMAIL.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Hi All, <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to <BR>&gt; &gt; convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob <BR>&gt; &gt; Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this <BR>&gt; &gt; summer and then over winter I will do the conversion. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some <BR>&gt; &gt; generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on <BR>&gt; &gt; the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is <BR>&gt; &gt; used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a <BR>&gt; &gt; splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finis hed. < matron <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 09:43:50 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN
    Looks like a list may be in order for the second annual Rough River USA Europa Fly-In. I will be there with Gold Rush N128LJ and if last year was an indication I believe we'll be over the top on the fun factor scale. I'll bring a box of red wine for us health conscious people. ;o) Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 110 hours and climbing slowly.


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    Time: 10:43:01 AM PST US
    From: "David.Corbett" <david.corbett5@btinternet.com>
    Subject: William and Paul's flyin
    Because of the forecast passage of a cold front across UK on Sunday 27 April, we have postponed the flyin at Shobdon until Sunday 4 May. Everyone who notified me that they wished to attend this Sunday should have received an e-mail from me this afternoon (Thursday), together with a detailed list of those attending. If you think you have booked in, but have not received today's e-mail, please let me know. In particular, I am concerned that G-OKEV is not on my list, although I seem to remember receiving an e-mail from the owner, but cannot now find it. Anyone who e0-mailed me on the list, rather than to my e-mail address, may have been overlooked. See you all on 4 May - we hope! David, Bryan and Paddy.


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    Time: 11:28:07 AM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN
    Hi All, Just a quick update on the Euopa fly-in. Jeff and I are working with the resort and will have a note out to everyone by the end of the week. Cheers, Jeff & Paul


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    Time: 12:13:54 PM PST US
    From: david miller <loboloda@execulink.com>
    Subject: Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Needed
    Paul, I laid up a box, similar to the Throttle Lever Housing, to hold the cylinders, But Jeff's idea is easier, and will give more options for fitting. Are you going to let us know the rationale for switching to conventional gear? In my mind, it is the prettiest configuration, and probably does not give up much in speed to the mono. Dave C-FBZI On 24-Apr-08, at 10:55 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > Paul, > > When I fitted the brake cylinder to Baby Blue, I constructed a > plywood shelf across the tunnel, at the proper height, then glassed > it in. The cylinder fits nicely on the shelf and, after removing > the narrow hump, in the center of the console, a flat plat finished > out the installation, nicely as well as provided a mount for the > throttle assembly. After returning from SNF, with my newly > purchased Trio altitude hold, I found the the shelf also provided a > perfect mount for the electronic control head... ;) I'll be happy > to show you what I did, at the Rough River gathering. > > See you (and hopefully several others) then. > > Jeff - Baby Blue > 396 hrs > > Paul McAllister wrote: >> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> >> Hi All, >> Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to >> convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob >> Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this >> summer and then over winter I will do the conversion. >> I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if >> some >> generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on >> the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is >> used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a >> splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished. >> If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would >> cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you >> can help. >> Thanks and regards, Paul > >


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    Time: 04:19:42 PM PST US
    From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN
    So where is this "Rough River" ? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN > > Looks like a list may be in order for the second annual Rough River USA > Europa Fly-In. > I will be there with Gold Rush N128LJ and if last year was an > indication I believe we'll be over the top on the fun factor scale. > I'll bring a box of red wine for us health conscious people. ;o) > > Jeff R. > > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 110 hours and climbing slowly. > > > > >


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    Time: 05:09:34 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN
    Kentucky! Falls of Rough, which is why you have to take your own beer and wine! Lovely place though apart from that. I can recommend the catfish. Graham Garry wrote: > > So where is this "Rough River" ? > > Garry Stout > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:39 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-USA Fly -IN > > >> >> Looks like a list may be in order for the second annual Rough River >> USA Europa Fly-In. >> I will be there with Gold Rush N128LJ and if last year was an >> indication I believe we'll be over the top on the fun factor scale. >> I'll bring a box of red wine for us health conscious people. ;o) >> >> Jeff R. >> >> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 110 hours and climbing slowly. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005


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    Time: 07:06:35 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
    Subject: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion
    Hi all, I have had a number of "off forum" emails wondering why after nearly 800 hours of monowheel time am I changing to a conventional tail dragger. Well the reason isn't anything sinister, where I have simply given up on trying to land the darn thing !! There are a few things that have prompted my down this route. I had been doing a bit of research on the topic and it was becoming apparent that there might not be a drag penalty with conventional gear, actually after exchanging a few emails with Duncan I am beginning to think that conventional gear might even have less drag. Another advantage is that on the ground cooling is much improved. I find I have a bit of a problem with oil temps bumping up near 250 f in the summer time. A few other factors are playing into it, my daughter is wanting to fly the aircraft and I just can't get comfortable with the idea of her having to come up to speed with landing it on the pavement. I think I was probably 100 hours in before I started to feel comfortable. Getting hull insurance on it with her as PIC would be near impossible. Why not a Tri gear ? I am not prepared to pay the 40 pound weight penalty What finally ticked me off was last September the port out rigger jammed up, I realized it as the aircraft was rolling out so I flicked the wing up, got it to lock but the violent action caused me to swing the aircraft around to 90 degrees on the runway and I got a propeller strike. It was minor, just grazing two blades by a few mm, but it still put me out of action for 6 weeks and $1500.00 in the hole I was so irritated by this that I promptly ordered a tail dragger conversion. The other thing that interests me is that I suspect that I can make it go faster. Without the wheel in place I can close up the air outlet, and while I am about it re work the inlet, and re route the exhaust. I am also speculating that the drag from the "half wheel" exposed plus the opening is quite significant, perhaps more than some nicely faired gear legs and wheel pants. Performance numbers from Duncan suggest that this might be the case. Lastly the electric flap drive will let get a little more flap travel so I might be able to add a few degrees of negative reflex in the flaps. So, I guess I am going to be busy over the winter. Cheers, Paul




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