---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/26/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:49 AM - Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (Venu Rao) 2. 09:35 AM - Europa Black Sea Trip 20-30 August (David Joyce) 3. 01:11 PM - Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (Ian Mansfeld) 4. 02:46 PM - Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (josok) 5. 02:55 PM - Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! (Matt Dralle) 6. 03:50 PM - External door handles (craig bastin) 7. 05:24 PM - External door handles (Fred Klein) 8. 06:23 PM - Re: External door handles (Ralph K. Hallett III) 9. 06:42 PM - Re: External door handles (craig bastin) 10. 08:24 PM - Re: External door handles (Fred Klein) 11. 08:53 PM - Re: External door handles (David Glauser) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:35 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion From: "Venu Rao" Thanks Paul - a "lurker" on this forum who was also wondering... still haven't transitioned to the mono and have my concerns as a very low time pilot. Cheers, Venu Rao Austin, Texas A058 - Flying Built by Jim Nelson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179337#179337 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:28 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Black Sea Trip 20-30 August It would be very helpful if anyone contemplating joining this trip would get in contact with me now, even if not certain of coming. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion From: "Ian Mansfeld" I had mine converted about 3 years ago - best move ever (other than the VP prop of course...). It just looks so nice. I had tailwheel experience and a good check out, but I was never happy balancing on that monowheel. As my instructor said, its not a matter of IF you will groundloop it, just WHEN. It might be 40 hours or 400... The defining moment came when it was parked out overnight and I had a phone call from the airfield to come back as 'something had happened' - it turned out that a wing leg had collapsed while parked! Who wants an aircraft that can't even stay upright while standing still! With a pair of Duncans lightweight leg fairings, there was no loss of performance. By fitting a set of wheel pants, I probably only gained 3-4 knots but it looks way better. (I used the trigear mains, which looked huge out of the box but when fitted look in proportion. I have had many complementary comments about how right it looks as a taildragger). And of course ground handling is as easy as any other taildragger. I have handled 15knot crosswinds with no issues (on grass) and the limit is me rather than the aircraft. I self-limit to 12knots crosswind if out of practice for a while. Ian. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179373#179373 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:47 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion From: "josok" Sorry, can't resist, have to take this one on. There seems to be some guarantee that conventional and tri-gear landings will always be soft and happy. But i can't find any statistics that point in that direction. As a matter of fact, the numbers add up quite differently. And also so far, i have seen more bent trigear legs then tail wheel damage. My instructors remark about ground looping was made while during circuits in a super cup, and it went like: "There are tail wheel pilots that have ground looped and there are tail wheel pilots that will do it" He had never seen a mono. Now, after some 300 landings in my mono, i am pretty sure that someday i will make the have done class. And i will stay in that "done that be there" class, and blame my own lack lack of proficiency, and not the aircraft. Let alone i change it to something else. So far the worst landing were when i got confident in nice weather, and the most feared +15 knots crosswind and gusting went off like a dream. Makes sense, at least to me. But let there be more airplanes then opinions, and everybody will be happy. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:00 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! Dear Listers, I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. 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Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-) Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:18 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: External door handles Just wondering if anyone has done anything special with their door handles with regard to steamlining. I was looking at the flush mount ones from ACS that are used on the liberty but worry they will be too deep to fit in the door. I was thinking that a blended fillet starting at the front of the door coming out about 20mm high and deep then blending back in about 2/3 the way along the door with the handle set into this so it is effectively flush with the skin of the door. I have seen the "aerofoil" shaped handles which would be my next choice. regards craig Checked by AVG. 2:31 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:45 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: External door handles From: Fred Klein > > > Just wondering if anyone has done anything special with their door > handles > with regard to steamlining. Craig...I thought someone would never ask...see pixs below Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Roll 41 - 45 Roll 41 - 47 Roll 41 - 48 Roll 41 - 49 Roll 41 - 50 Roll 41 - 51 Roll 41 - 52 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:22 PM PST US From: "Ralph K. Hallett III" Subject: Re: Europa-List: External door handles Fred, One beautiful job you've done there. I will be using you're design :) Ralph mg xs Reno, NV Fred Klein wrote: >> >> >> Just wondering if anyone has done anything special with their door >> handles >> with regard to steamlining. > > Craig...I thought someone would never ask...see pixs below > > Fred > A194 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Roll 41 - 45 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Roll 41 - 47 > > > Roll 41 - 48 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Roll 41 - 49 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Roll 41 - 50 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Roll 41 - 51 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Roll 41 - 52 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:07 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: External door handles I take it you havnt painted your bird yet, I just wonder if it might wear the paint where the handle rubs the skin,or do you have a plan with regard to that, other than that it looks good, and self locking which is a bonus -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Sunday, 27 April 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Europa-List: External door handles > > > Just wondering if anyone has done anything special with their door > handles > with regard to steamlining. Craig...I thought someone would never ask...see pixs below Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Checked by AVG. 2:17 PM Checked by AVG. 2:17 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: External door handles From: Fred Klein On Saturday, Apr 26, 2008, at 18:40 US/Pacific, craig bastin wrote: > I just wonder if it might wear the paint where the handle rubs the > skin,or do you have a plan > with regard to that Craig, Yes, that's a concern...still scratchin my head about it...expect to find something superslick to coat the edges...maybe silicone, teflon...any ideas? Figured that was solvable and I liked the fillet w/ no gap for moisture, lack of draginess... (definition of "draginess": same relation to drag as "truthiness" has to truth; i.e., it wants to have the appearance of minimal drag, it may not however, though overall, it probably makes no difference,) cheers, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:19 PM PST US From: "David Glauser" Subject: Re: Europa-List: External door handles How about an ultra-low friction plastic? McMaster-Carr has PTFE in adhesive backed sheets in a variety of thicknesses. see page 3507 (!) of the catalog. Or should I say catalogue? David On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > > On Saturday, Apr 26, 2008, at 18:40 US/Pacific, craig bastin wrote: > > > I just wonder if it might wear the paint where the handle rubs the skin,or > do you have a plan > > with regard to that > > > > Craig, > > Yes, that's a concern...still scratchin my head about it...expect to find > something superslick to coat the edges...maybe silicone, teflon...any ideas? > > Figured that was solvable and I liked the fillet w/ no gap for moisture, > lack of draginess... > > (definition of "draginess": same relation to drag as "truthiness" has to > truth; i.e., it wants to have the appearance of minimal drag, it may not > however, though overall, it probably makes no difference,) > > cheers, > > Fred > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.