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1. 02:04 AM - Re: Europa Black Sea Trip 20-30 August (karelvranken)
2. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (nigel charles)
3. 02:51 AM - Re: Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (Graham Singleton)
4. 07:18 AM - Second Annual Europa Fly in (Paul McAllister)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in (Paul McAllister)
6. 08:12 AM - Ducati et al (Fergus Kyle)
7. 09:42 AM - Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (Venu Rao)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: External door handles (danbish)
9. 10:11 AM - First Flight N211KA (Kevin Klinefelter)
10. 10:43 AM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Kevin Klinefelter)
11. 10:43 AM - Re: First Flight N211KA (ALAN YERLY)
12. 12:00 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (craig bastin)
13. 12:01 PM - Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in (craig bastin)
14. 12:08 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Robert Borger)
15. 12:27 PM - Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in (Jeff B)
16. 12:59 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Garry)
17. 02:00 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Peter Timm)
18. 02:06 PM - Rough on the lafet mag (JEFF ROBERTS)
19. 02:23 PM - Re: External door handles (Fred Klein)
20. 02:29 PM - Re: Rough on the lafet mag (Gilles Thesee)
21. 02:53 PM - Rubber components (Carl Pattinson)
22. 04:03 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (JR Gowing)
23. 04:04 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Graham Singleton)
24. 04:05 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Graham Singleton)
25. 04:08 PM - Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in (Graham Singleton)
26. 04:11 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Graham Singleton)
27. 04:17 PM - Re: Rough on the lafet mag (Jeff B)
28. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion (Graham Singleton)
29. 04:42 PM - June visit (Graham Singleton)
30. 07:04 PM - flap seals (Peter Timm)
31. 08:47 PM - outrigger retracts (Fred Klein)
32. 09:35 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Paul Boulet)
33. 11:21 PM - Re: Rubber components (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: Europa Black Sea Trip 20-30 August |
David,
You know already that I am looking forward for further information about the
trip. Prievidsa, east of Bratislava is the place where the Dynamic is
fabricated and worth a lunch stop. Karlovy Vary in Checkia is also a nice
place for the first night stop.
Regards,
Karel Vranken.
PS Weather permitting I will see you in Shobdon next Sunday?
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Black Sea Trip 20-30 August
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> It would be very helpful if anyone contemplating joining this trip would
> get in contact with me now, even if not certain of coming. Regards, David
> Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion |
Conventional gear aircraft are not much less demanding than monowheel.
The main lesson that had to be learnt with monowheel was to keep the
tail on the ground to 40kts on take-off. Also the vulnerable period on
take-off (40 - 50kts)is much reduced with the use of higher power
engines and CS props. I know of one conventional gear Europa has
departed the side of a tarmac runway and sheared off the bottom of its
gear leg so they are not immune to loss of control. The nosewheel on
trigears can receive a lot of loading on grass and nosewheel collapse
has happened on several occasions. Trigears are great if you are only
going to use tarmac runways and are prepared to sacrifice payload, speed
and fuel consumption. With monowheel aircraft landings are more
difficult on tarmac due to the increased directional instability. This
also applies to conventional gear to a slightly lesser extent. The
monowheel has a weight advantage as the reinforced area of the fuselage
for the landing gear coincides with that of the engine. Due to the need
to reinforce the fuselage in a different area both the trigear (and to a
lesser extent the conventional gear) suffer weight penalties.
In my opinion too much blame is placed on the aircraft. Without doubt
greater skill is required to handle the monowheel but most of the
accidents/incidents are down to the pilot which is why the number of
events have reduced over the years as technique and training have been
developed. I know many pilots with many hours of monowheel experience
who haven't groundlooped their aircraft. Many never will, but it would
be tempting fate to claim it. The secret seems to be to take proper
specific type training, learn the specific techniques and operate within
your own limitations which will often be more limiting than that of the
aircraft. After 250hrs I still try to avoid crosswinds of over 10kts
even though I have operated at higher crosswinds on a few occasions.
Crosswind handling is always going to be a bigger challenge for
monowheel and conventional gear aircraft over trigear. Gradually
increasing your personal limit and making an allowance for gusty
conditions is a wise precaution.
In monowheel form the Europa still stands out as a unique aircraft in
terms of grass strip operation combined with fuel efficient cruising.
Once you choose other types of gear there are several similarly
competetive types around such as the Sportcruiser. With the recent hike
in fuel prices even the RV series (another good strip/touring machine)
is starting to feel the pinch in terms of operating costs.
Nigel Charles
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Subject: | Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion |
>
> Conventional gear aircraft are not much less demanding than monowheel.
>
> In my opinion too much blame is placed on the aircraft.
I know many pilots with many hours of monowheel experience
> who haven't groundlooped their aircraft. Many never will,
>
> In monowheel form the Europa still stands out as a unique aircraft in
> terms of grass strip operation combined with fuel efficient cruising.
>
> Nigel Charles
Nigel
I couldn't agree more. The monowheel was chosen to enable operation from
muddy fields, and it can. There was an occasion when the grass was
longish and the tri gear would not take off 2 up. Jon Tye's monowheel
was used to ferry the passenger to a nearby hard strip. (Ivan was flying
the tri)
Walter Binder's early Classic mono was outstanding, he retracted the
outriggers electrically into the wing, modified the cowlings and the
windscreen. He claimed he cruised at 140kts with an 80hp 912. He also
towed gliders with it.
Walter is a unique character, wish I knew him but my German is not good
enough.
Graham
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Subject: | Second Annual Europa Fly in |
Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye
Be it known throughout the land and across to far shores that the
second Annual Europa Fly-in will be held in the Hamlet of "Falls of
Rough" on the very days of September 6 and 7 in the year of our Lord
2008
________________________
Hi all, Jeff and I have been working with the management of the Rough
River Resort and have found taking into account regional fly-in dates
and accommodation availability that the best date for this years event
is the weekend of September 7th and 8th
Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking
distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style
accommodation.
Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
At the time of writing the resort has four two bedroom cabins and
twenty single rooms available. I would encourage anyone who is
interested to book early as accommodation fills quickly.
For more in Rough River take a look at
http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
For reservations call 800-325-1713.
Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head
count.
Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com
Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
Paul McAllister & Jeff Behrnes
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Subject: | Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in |
Hi all just noticed a typo lower down in the message. Just to
confirm, September 6/7 - Paul
___________________________________
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Paul McAllister
<paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye
>
> Be it known throughout the land and across to far shores that the
> second Annual Europa Fly-in will be held in the Hamlet of "Falls of
> Rough" on the very days of September 6 and 7 in the year of our Lord
> 2008
> ________________________
>
> Hi all, Jeff and I have been working with the management of the Rough
> River Resort and have found taking into account regional fly-in dates
> and accommodation availability that the best date for this years event
> is the weekend of September 7th and 8th
>
> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
> airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking
> distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style
> accommodation.
>
> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>
> At the time of writing the resort has four two bedroom cabins and
> twenty single rooms available. I would encourage anyone who is
> interested to book early as accommodation fills quickly.
>
> For more in Rough River take a look at
>
> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>
>
> For reservations call 800-325-1713.
>
> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
> would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head
> count.
>
> Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com
> Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
>
>
> Paul McAllister & Jeff Behrnes
>
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In view of Gilles' excellent treatment at
http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php
and while contemplating the need for extra power for radios etc., I
fabricated a miniature NACA
duct on top of the upper cowling which points right at the device. It's
crude but I wanted to get
most out of it I could.
The pics are stored in the Forum Gallery, under Ferg Kyle, IDJIT BUILDER
album,
Sauve qui peut
Ferg
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Subject: | Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion |
Nigel and Graham,
Thanks for the terrific feedback. I concur that it's all about pilot experience
and personal comfort-levels. There are many of us new to the mono's, and several
who are in the latter stages of completion, and would dearly like to get some
"authorized" training and are willing to pay for it too.
The mono config is unique and elegant, but after reading several threads in the
archives about "sensitive handling" and failing to find anyone in the States
(Texas!) who can provide some transition training it has me second guessing if
I should indeed convert Jim Nelson's beautifully crafted A058 to a conventional
gear.
There seems to be a lot of ambivalence in the community on this subject, and it
could in large part be mitigated if we had some "formal" training. No doubt hull
insurance will go down with fewer accidents to sully the reputation of one
of the most beautiful a/c in aviation!
BTW - how can I get more info on Walter's elec. retract outriggers and can they
be incorporated as a post build mod?
Thanks, and looking forward to joining you in the skies soon - mono or conventional....;)
Venu
grahamsingleton(at)btinte wrote:
>
> >
> > Conventional gear aircraft are not much less demanding than monowheel.
> >
> > In my opinion too much blame is placed on the aircraft.
> >
> >
>
> I know many pilots with many hours of monowheel experience
>
> > who haven't groundlooped their aircraft. Many never will,
> >
> > In monowheel form the Europa still stands out as a unique aircraft in
> > terms of grass strip operation combined with fuel efficient cruising.
> >
> > Nigel Charles
> >
> >
>
> Nigel
> I couldn't agree more. The monowheel was chosen to enable operation from
> muddy fields, and it can. There was an occasion when the grass was
> longish and the tri gear would not take off 2 up. Jon Tye's monowheel
> was used to ferry the passenger to a nearby hard strip. (Ivan was flying
> the tri)
> Walter Binder's early Classic mono was outstanding, he retracted the
> outriggers electrically into the wing, modified the cowlings and the
> windscreen. He claimed he cruised at 140kts with an 80hp 912. He also
> towed gliders with it.
> Walter is a unique character, wish I knew him but my German is not good
> enough.
> Graham
--------
Venu Rao
Austin, TX
Europa Mono
Builder: Jim Nelson
TTAE 132.1 hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179596#179596
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Subject: | Re: External door handles |
For some reason the photos didn't come through in this post. Any chance you could
post them again or put them somewhere in the gallery?
Thanks,
Dan
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | First Flight N211KA |
Hi All,
I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
4/23/08.
Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by Kim
Prout.
I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
Some facts about N211KA and first flight
Intercooled 914
Airmaster prop
Alternator on vac pump pad
Empty CG 59.25"
First Flight CG 60"
Empty Weight 886 lbs.
VSO 43 KIAS
VX 61
VY 75
First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
Bishop airport, California
Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
issues in typical high summer heat around here.
Awesome little airplane
Kevin
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Correction: left wing heavy solo
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211
> on 4/23/08.
> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by
> Kim Prout.
> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>
> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>
> Intercooled 914
> Airmaster prop
> Alternator on vac pump pad
> Empty CG 59.25"
> First Flight CG 60"
> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
> VSO 43 KIAS
> VX 61
> VY 75
> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
> Bishop airport, California
>
> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
> the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
> issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>
> Awesome little airplane
>
> Kevin
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Congrats Kevin,
Hope that the out of trim is only the left flap a little higher than the
right. A tiny shim between the flap tube and cockpit module, just
enough to move the flap down a 64th on the flap TE is all it takes to
clear that up. You'll find more out during the stalls and rig checks
higher up.
Enjoy,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Klinefelter<mailto:kevann@gotsky.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> ; Bob
Lindsay<mailto:rlindsa2@san.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:07 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
<kevann@gotsky.com<mailto:kevann@gotsky.com>>
Hi All,
I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211
on
4/23/08.
Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by
Kim
Prout.
I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
Some facts about N211KA and first flight
Intercooled 914
Airmaster prop
Alternator on vac pump pad
Empty CG 59.25"
First Flight CG 60"
Empty Weight 886 lbs.
VSO 43 KIAS
VX 61
VY 75
First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
Bishop airport, California
Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
issues in typical high summer heat around here.
Awesome little airplane
Kevin
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Europa-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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Subject: | First Flight N211KA |
I thought what you said was counter intuitive it being more balanced when
you weighted the
heavy wing, but stranger things have happened. Congrats
craig
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Klinefelter
Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
Correction: left wing heavy solo
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211
> on 4/23/08.
> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by
> Kim Prout.
> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>
> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>
> Intercooled 914
> Airmaster prop
> Alternator on vac pump pad
> Empty CG 59.25"
> First Flight CG 60"
> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
> VSO 43 KIAS
> VX 61
> VY 75
> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
> Bishop airport, California
>
> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
> the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
> issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>
> Awesome little airplane
>
> Kevin
>
>
Checked by AVG.
2:17 PM
Checked by AVG.
2:17 PM
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Subject: | Second Annual Europa Fly in |
ever considered a job as town cryer paul :)
Unfortuately its a bit far to come for two days
craig
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Second Annual Europa Fly in
<paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
Hi all just noticed a typo lower down in the message. Just to
confirm, September 6/7 - Paul
___________________________________
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Paul McAllister
<paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
<paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>
> Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye
>
> Be it known throughout the land and across to far shores that the
> second Annual Europa Fly-in will be held in the Hamlet of "Falls of
> Rough" on the very days of September 6 and 7 in the year of our Lord
> 2008
> ________________________
>
> Hi all, Jeff and I have been working with the management of the Rough
> River Resort and have found taking into account regional fly-in dates
> and accommodation availability that the best date for this years event
> is the weekend of September 7th and 8th
>
> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
> airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking
> distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style
> accommodation.
>
> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>
> At the time of writing the resort has four two bedroom cabins and
> twenty single rooms available. I would encourage anyone who is
> interested to book early as accommodation fills quickly.
>
> For more in Rough River take a look at
>
> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>
>
> For reservations call 800-325-1713.
>
> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
> would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head
> count.
>
> Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com
> Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
>
>
> Paul McAllister & Jeff Behrnes
>
Checked by AVG.
2:17 PM
Checked by AVG.
2:17 PM
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Kevin,
Congratulations on the first flight of N211KA. Keep us posted on
further flights.
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod,
outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing
incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system
complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done.
Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being
installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps,
30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing.
Mostly finishing these days.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Apr 27, 2008, at 12:07, Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> >
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211
> on 4/23/08.
> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by
> Kim Prout.
> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>
> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>
> Intercooled 914
> Airmaster prop
> Alternator on vac pump pad
> Empty CG 59.25"
> First Flight CG 60"
> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
> VSO 43 KIAS
> VX 61
> VY 75
> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
> Bishop airport, California
>
> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good
> on the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may
> have issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>
> Awesome little airplane
>
> Kevin
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in |
...and on that note, word has it that a few of our British counterparts
just may be attending...
Mary and I are already booked... :)
Jeff - Baby Blue
craig bastin wrote:
>
> ever considered a job as town cryer paul :)
> Unfortuately its a bit far to come for two days
>
> craig
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> McAllister
> Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 12:51 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Second Annual Europa Fly in
>
>
> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>
> Hi all just noticed a typo lower down in the message. Just to
> confirm, September 6/7 - Paul
> ___________________________________
>
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Paul McAllister
> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>> Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye
>>
>> Be it known throughout the land and across to far shores that the
>> second Annual Europa Fly-in will be held in the Hamlet of "Falls of
>> Rough" on the very days of September 6 and 7 in the year of our Lord
>> 2008
>> ________________________
>>
>> Hi all, Jeff and I have been working with the management of the Rough
>> River Resort and have found taking into account regional fly-in dates
>> and accommodation availability that the best date for this years event
>> is the weekend of September 7th and 8th
>>
>> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
>> airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking
>> distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style
>> accommodation.
>>
>> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
>> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>>
>> At the time of writing the resort has four two bedroom cabins and
>> twenty single rooms available. I would encourage anyone who is
>> interested to book early as accommodation fills quickly.
>>
>> For more in Rough River take a look at
>>
>> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
>> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
>> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>>
>>
>> For reservations call 800-325-1713.
>>
>> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
>> would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head
>> count.
>>
>> Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com
>> Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McAllister & Jeff Behrnes
>>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Congratulations Kevin! I knew you'd make it to the end, which makes it all
worthwhile. Give my regards to Kim and Bob.
Garry Stout
914 Tri
Tampa FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
>
> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
> 4/23/08.
> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by Kim
> Prout.
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Congratulations Kevin,
like you already have suggested, it does get hot in Bishop in the summer. We
landed there on May 6, 2006 on our way
to Lake Havasu City and Sedona during a heat-wave. My Europa is a Classic
Mono with a 912S, and I had installed a
larger oilcooler from the beginning, which I have to block off with some
tape during our cold season, but it has always been able to cope with the
hot summer days down south.
I am experimenting with flap-seals right now and notice a very marked
increase in climb performance. When one of my
flap-seals blew out( temporary self-adhesive), the aircraft dropped a wing
in that direction, due to the increase in lift on the other side. I feel
strongly about the value of flap-seals, especially since they are cheap and
easy to install. Soft P-section
seals of the right size for your aircraft are best.
Have fun flying, it beats building by a wide margin!
Peter Timm, # 110
Pemberton, B.C.
Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
>
> Correction: left wing heavy solo
>
> Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
>> 4/23/08.
>> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by Kim
>> Prout.
>> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>>
>> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>>
>> Intercooled 914
>> Airmaster prop
>> Alternator on vac pump pad
>> Empty CG 59.25"
>> First Flight CG 60"
>> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
>> VSO 43 KIAS
>> VX 61
>> VY 75
>> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
>> Bishop airport, California
>>
>> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
>> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
>> the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
>> issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>>
>> Awesome little airplane
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM
>
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Subject: | Rough on the lafet mag |
HI All,
After returning to the ground and as I shut down I went from both the
right then left mag before shutting down. I noticed the left running
slightly rough compared to the right. I didn't have time to look it
over then but I will soon. Other than the plugs can anyone tell me
anything they have found to cause this.
Thanks in advance to anyone with Ideas.
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 110 hours and climbing slowly.
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> For some reason the photos didn't come through in this post. Any
> chance you could post them again or put them somewhere in the gallery?
>
Dan...tried to send them to you direct but connection failed w/ this
msg:
Fred
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Subject: | Re: Rough on the lafet mag |
JEFF ROBERTS a crit :
> Other than the plugs can anyone tell me anything they have found to
> cause this.
Cracked high voltage leads.
Best regards,
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Subject: | Rubber components |
Following my thread about replacing rubber components (Rotax 5 year
mandatory requirement) I have managed to find a supplier of Bing carb spares
(including the rubber diaphragm).
It seems that some BMW bikes use Bing carbs but unfortunately suppliers only
use BMW part numbers which gives no clues as to the correct size.
Fortunately the helpful man at one supplier went to the store and measured
the parts for me. The correct one for the Bing 64-3 is the 32mm (not sure
what that dimension relates to) The actual disphragm is 40mm inside diameter
and 80mm outside dia.
The official Rotax price is 45 or 27 from Aerosport Ltd.
BMW stockist price is 12.50 for a genuine Bing replacement ot 6.25 for a
generic replacement.
http://www.motobins.co.uk/displayfinal.php?function=show&subs=084&title=DIAPHRAGMS+%26+GASKETS
Unfortunately I havent had as much luck with the carb flanges yet, though
this one looks promising - I have dropped them a line to see if they will
mail to the UK. Has anyone had any dealings with them?
http://www.jackofmosttrades.com/Rotax_Parts/Carb_sockets_912/carb_sockets_912.html
Still expensive at $58 but might be an option for those in the USA.
The other option is the Mikuni adapter but again I am having difficulty
identifying the correct size - and again no one in the UK seems to stock
them.
They are available here and I have written to the supplier for precise
dimensions. The Rotax flange on my 912 is 74mm between centres and the carb
diameter 43mm.
http://www.hiperf.com/acatalog/Snowmobile_Catalog_Mikuni_Carbs_and_Parts_83.html
The price they quote is $25
It was interesting to note that when I removed one of my carb flanges
(allegedly genuine Rotax spares) it was marked ALS - Japan. This would
suggest that Rotax get these from a generic source and there is nothing
special or unique about them (EXCEPT THE PRICE !!!).
Maybe someone knows different.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Congratulations Kevin!
Every first flight deserves a medal!
JR (Bob) Gowing in Oz UK Kit 327 - past 50%
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:07 AM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
> 4/23/08.
> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by Kim
> Prout.
> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>
> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>
> Intercooled 914
> Airmaster prop
> Alternator on vac pump pad
> Empty CG 59.25"
> First Flight CG 60"
> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
> VSO 43 KIAS
> VX 61
> VY 75
> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
> Bishop airport, California
>
> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on the
> ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have issues
> in typical high summer heat around here.
>
> Awesome little airplane
>
> Kevin
>
>
> --
> Date: 26/04/2008 2:17 PM
>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
if Bud's fix doesn't cure it a gurny flap on one aileron will.
Congratulations Kevin. When you get to fly it yourself have a safety
pilot like Kim on board (tell him hi from me) and when you take off keep
the tail down as long as you can, and make sure its the first to touch
on the landing.
The other important criterion is that both outriggers touch together and
hold the airplane level on the ground. Also that neither collaoses which
can catch you out.
Graham
ALAN YERLY wrote:
> Congrats Kevin,
>
> Hope that the out of trim is only the left flap a little higher than the
> right. A tiny shim between the flap tube and cockpit module,
> just enough to move the flap down a 64th on the flap TE is all it takes
> to clear that up. You'll find more out during the stalls and rig checks
> higher up.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Bud Yerly
> Custom Flight Creations
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Kevin Klinefelter <mailto:kevann@gotsky.com>
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> ;
> Bob Lindsay <mailto:rlindsa2@san.rr.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:07 PM
> *Subject:* Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
>
> <kevann@gotsky.com <mailto:kevann@gotsky.com>>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
> 4/23/08.
> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by
> Kim
> Prout.
> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>
> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>
> Intercooled 914
> Airmaster prop
> Alternator on vac pump pad
> Empty CG 59.25"
> First Flight CG 60"
> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
> VSO 43 KIAS
> VX 61
> VY 75
> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
> Bishop airport, California
>
> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
> the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
> issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>
> Awesome little Features Chat, -->
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Gurny flap under the right aileron TE, 6" of draft excluder tape
Graham
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>
> Correction: left wing heavy solo
>
> Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>
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Subject: | Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in |
I have travelled to RR from UK, 3 times. It was definitely worth it just
to meet all the gurus. (EZ gurus btw, the ones who inspired Ivan to
desigh the Europa)
Graham
craig bastin wrote:
>
> ever considered a job as town cryer paul :)
> Unfortuately its a bit far to come for two days
>
> craig
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Peter
are your flap seals installed to seal flaps up only or both up and down?
Graham
Peter Timm wrote:
> I am experimenting with flap-seals right now and notice a very marked
> increase in climb performance. When one of my
> flap-seals blew out( temporary self-adhesive), the aircraft dropped a wing
> in that direction, due to the increase in lift on the other side.
>
> Peter Timm, # 110
>
> Pemberton, B.C.
> Canada
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Subject: | Re: Rough on the lafet mag |
Jeff,
Knowing your history with heat problems and the time on your engine, why
not just change the plugs. It may not fix the problem, but it will
eliminate them as the cause. http://www.sparkplugs.com has them cheap!
As suggested, it could be plug leads. Might want to check carb
springs and stuck cables, too. Let us know what you find...
Jeff - Baby Blue
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> HI All,
> After returning to the ground and as I shut down I went from both the
> right then left mag before shutting down. I noticed the left running
> slightly rough compared to the right. I didn't have time to look it over
> then but I will soon. Other than the plugs can anyone tell me anything
> they have found to cause this.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone with Ideas.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 110 hours and climbing slowly.
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Subject: | Re: Conventional Tail Wheel Conversion |
I only have two piks of the outrigger; this was a German guy near
Hamburg whose name I don't have. It was at least 8 years ago. Jens
Gralfs <Jens.Gralfs@airbus.dasa.de> might know. Failing him Harald
linke <0406055601-0001@T-Online.de>
Graham
Venu Rao wrote:
>
> Nigel and Graham,
>
> BTW - how can I get more info on Walter's elec. retract outriggers and can they
be incorporated as a post build mod?
>
> Thanks, and looking forward to joining you in the skies soon - mono or conventional....;)
>
> Venu
>
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Kim
I am hoping to go to Burt Rutan's birthday party 21 June. Might well be
the last chance I get to meet up with him, he hasn't been too well and I
am of an age when things go wrong too.
Are you around then, be nice to meet up and swap news? I will fly into
LAX and rent a car. Booked in to a hotel with Jim Price 21st in Mojave.
Graham
Kim Prout wrote:
>
> Hello Graham! Interesting discussion on the Whirlwind. The CAF report was
> done with the original design blades but Jim wasn't completely satisfied
> with that so he redesigned the airfoil and twist to get better performance.
> The "numbers" changed quite a bit increasing climb rate by over 100 fpm and
> shortening take off roll by 100 feet. This is the current design supplied by
> Whirlwind as far as I know.... And yes, it was the single best performance
> enhancement I ever made to N111EU. It is more complex than just bolting on
> the Airmaster but I like that the weight (and rotating mass) is so minimal.
> My installed weight including governer, cable control, spinner and backing
> plates and of course, the propeller assembly came in at 13.5 lbs. Anyway,
> have a great summer! I will be in Sweden, Gotland June 5 til June 21 at my
> friend's airport ESVB (Bunge) and we would love to see some Europas fly
> there. You can get information about the airport on line.
> Kim prout
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Tel: +441629820187
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Graham,
the flaps are only sealed in the up position, by the leading edge of the
flaps pressing against the seal attached to the inside of
the channel. Sealing the flaps in the down position would defeat the
benefit of slotted flaps with their own lift producing
air-foil,in my opinion. The old L 13 Blanik sailplanes used to have such
flap-seals, which would then deteriorate over time.
However, there are now all kinds of such seals available, including those
stocked by camper-trailer and marine suppliers
and installation is particularly easy on the Europa. Try it, you'll like it!
Peter Timm, # 110
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
>
> Correction: left wing heavy solo
>
> Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
>> 4/23/08.
>> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by Kim
>> Prout.
>> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>>
>> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>>
>> Intercooled 914
>> Airmaster prop
>> Alternator on vac pump pad
>> Empty CG 59.25"
>> First Flight CG 60"
>> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
>> VSO 43 KIAS
>> VX 61
>> VY 75
>> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
>> Bishop airport, California
>>
>> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
>> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
>> the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
>> issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>>
>> Awesome little airplane
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM
>
>
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Subject: | outrigger retracts |
On Sunday, Apr 27, 2008, at 16:28 US/Pacific, Graham Singleton wrote:
> I only have two piks of the outrigger;
Graham,
Thanks for these piks...very intriguing...would you venture an opinion
as to the implications of airflow disruption around the embedded rod
and wheel on the underside of the wing?
I believe the Kennedy/Gladstone Europa also has elec. retracts on its
outriggers.
While I've marveled at the standard mechanical retraction mechanism, it
certainly isn't simple, but as far as I know, it has generally
performed quite well (with some notable exceptions posted on this
list). I've considered that deviating from the standard outrigger was
beyond my expertise, but maybe not.
FWIW, I've prototyped a fully enclosed outrigger fairing, but no flight
tests as yet; see piks below.
Fred
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Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Kevin;
my heart felt congratulations on reaching this milestone. My kit was A212 and
I remember all of us unloading that container so many years ago.
My family seems to be taking up all my spare time now so sadly, I'm attempting
to sell N914PB for a give away price (any interest out there?).
Kim did my shake down too so I know what a through job he did. He was also initial
test pilot and did a smashing job. Blessings,
Paul Boulet, Malibu, CA. Tri Gear 914 XS
Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
4/23/08.
Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by Kim
Prout.
I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
Some facts about N211KA and first flight
Intercooled 914
Airmaster prop
Alternator on vac pump pad
Empty CG 59.25"
First Flight CG 60"
Empty Weight 886 lbs.
VSO 43 KIAS
VX 61
VY 75
First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
Bishop airport, California
Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
issues in typical high summer heat around here.
Awesome little airplane
Kevin
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Subject: | Re: Rubber components |
In a message dated 4/27/2008 2:54:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk writes:
I have dropped them a line to see if they will
mail to the UK. Has anyone had any dealings with them?
Why would a company that would be charging you for the S&H not want to ship
to the UK?
If they did have a problem, have them shipped to a fellow Europaphile and
have them reship.
Just a thought.
Do Not Archive
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