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1. 12:59 AM - Re: flap seals (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:08 AM - Re: William and Paul's flyin (Roger Anderson)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: flap seals (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 07:09 AM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Kevin Klinefelter)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Rough on the left mag (John & Paddy Wigney)
6. 11:34 AM - AW: Rubber components (Europa (Alfred Buess))
7. 12:12 PM - Re: AW: Rubber components (Robert Borger)
8. 01:44 PM - Europa Partners for Scandinavian Trip 6th June through16th June. (Robert C Harrison)
9. 02:42 PM - Monos only need open (Fergus Kyle)
10. 02:58 PM - Resin for mod 72 (Paul Stewart)
11. 03:20 PM - Re: First Flight N211KA (Peter Timm)
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Peter
that makes sense, the only caveat is that there needs to be a small
amount of reflex on the trailing edge, (TE up) and the seal could
compromise that
Graham
Peter Timm wrote:
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> the flaps are only sealed in the up position, by the leading edge of the
> flaps pressing against the seal attached to the inside of
> the channel. Sealing the flaps in the down position would defeat the
> benefit of slotted flaps with their own lift producing
> air-foil,in my opinion. The old L 13 Blanik sailplanes used to have such
> flap-seals, which would then deteriorate over time.
> However, there are now all kinds of such seals available, including
> those stocked by camper-trailer and marine suppliers
> and installation is particularly easy on the Europa. Try it, you'll like
> it!
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> Peter Timm, # 110
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
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>> Correction: left wing heavy solo
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>> Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
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>>> Hi All,
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>>> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211
>>> on 4/23/08.
>>> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by
>>> Kim Prout.
>>> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>>>
>>> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>>>
>>> Intercooled 914
>>> Airmaster prop
>>> Alternator on vac pump pad
>>> Empty CG 59.25"
>>> First Flight CG 60"
>>> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
>>> VSO 43 KIAS
>>> VX 61
>>> VY 75
>>> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
>>> Bishop airport, California
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>>> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
>>> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good
>>> on the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may
>>> have issues in typical high summer heat around here.
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>>> Awesome little airplane
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>>> Kevin
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>> Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM
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Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Re: William and Paul's flyin |
David,
I would like to attend on the 4th May if it is not too late to join
in.
Roger Anderson - G-BXTD
----- Original Message -----
From: David.Corbett
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Europa-List: William and Paul's flyin
Because of the forecast passage of a cold front across UK on Sunday 27
April, we have postponed the flyin at Shobdon until Sunday 4 May.
Everyone who notified me that they wished to attend this Sunday should
have received an e-mail from me this afternoon (Thursday), together with
a detailed list of those attending.
If you think you have booked in, but have not received today's e-mail,
please let me know. In particular, I am concerned that G-OKEV is not on
my list, although I seem to remember receiving an e-mail from the owner,
but cannot now find it. Anyone who e0-mailed me on the list, rather than
to my e-mail address, may have been overlooked.
See you all on 4 May - we hope!
David, Bryan and Paddy.
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Graham,
How much reflex for best cruise performance? I am thinking of working on
my flap rigging to help the heavy left wing and instead of lowering the
left one slightly which sounds easy thanks to Bud Yearly's suggestion, I
would like to achieve the slight reflex you suggest.And then also the seals.
And thanks very much for the mono landing advice. Bob had a limited
amount of time to work with me, and after a 7 year build process I need
a lot of work! Unfortunately that will have to wait till fall as I
leave Saturday for Alaska for 6 months of work. Next year I will fly
N211KA to AK!
Kevin
Graham Singleton wrote:
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
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> Peter
> that makes sense, the only caveat is that there needs to be a small
> amount of reflex on the trailing edge, (TE up) and the seal could
> compromise that
> Graham
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> Peter Timm wrote:
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>> Graham,
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>> the flaps are only sealed in the up position, by the leading edge of
>> the flaps pressing against the seal attached to the inside of
>> the channel. Sealing the flaps in the down position would defeat the
>> benefit of slotted flaps with their own lift producing
>> air-foil,in my opinion. The old L 13 Blanik sailplanes used to have
>> such flap-seals, which would then deteriorate over time.
>> However, there are now all kinds of such seals available, including
>> those stocked by camper-trailer and marine suppliers
>> and installation is particularly easy on the Europa. Try it, you'll
>> like it!
>>
>> Peter Timm, # 110
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Klinefelter"
>> <kevann@gotsky.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
>>
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>>> <kevann@gotsky.com>
>>>
>>> Correction: left wing heavy solo
>>>
>>> Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>>>
>>>> <kevann@gotsky.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit
>>>> A211 on 4/23/08.
>>>> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance
>>>> by Kim Prout.
>>>> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>>>>
>>>> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>>>>
>>>> Intercooled 914
>>>> Airmaster prop
>>>> Alternator on vac pump pad
>>>> Empty CG 59.25"
>>>> First Flight CG 60"
>>>> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
>>>> VSO 43 KIAS
>>>> VX 61
>>>> VY 75
>>>> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
>>>> Bishop airport, California
>>>>
>>>> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
>>>> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good
>>>> on the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I
>>>> may have issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>>>>
>>>> Awesome little airplane
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
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>>> --
>>> Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Hi Paul,
I too remember the day we loaded our kits up headed home.
If you are having trouble finding a buyer for N914PB, maybe that means
you are meant to keep her for future spare time!
Thanks and all the best in whatever the future brings, Kevin
Paul Boulet wrote:
> Kevin;
> my heart felt congratulations on reaching this milestone. My kit was
> A212 and I remember all of us unloading that container so many years ago.
>
> My family seems to be taking up all my spare time now so sadly, I'm
> attempting to sell N914PB for a give away price (any interest out there?).
>
> Kim did my shake down too so I know what a through job he did. He was
> also initial test pilot and did a smashing job. Blessings,
>
> Paul Boulet, Malibu, CA. Tri Gear 914 XS
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> */Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>/* wrote:
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> Hi All,
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> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit
> A211 on
> 4/23/08.
> Test Pilot was Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Rough on the left mag |
Hi Jeff,
In 2005, after about 400 hours, I had a problem with a rough mag drop.
After some troubleshooting with help from Lockwood Aviation, it turned
out to be broken wires at one or more of the multi pin connectors
between the electronic modules and the ignition coils. The wires broke
where they entered the little grommets before the crimped terminals. I
took the plane to Lockwood in Sebring where they were able to do a quick
and satisfactory repair. (Much quicker than any of my efforts would have
been.) I believe that later engines have a better arrangement of support
brackets and cable layout to minimise this problem.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
ORIGINAL MESSAGE
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Rough on the lafet mag
HI All,
After returning to the ground and as I shut down I went from both the right then
left mag before shutting down. I noticed the left running slightly rough compared
to the right. I didn't have time to look it over then but I will soon.
Other than the plugs can anyone tell me anything they have found to cause this.
Thanks in advance to anyone with Ideas.
Regards, Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 110 hours and climbing slowly.
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| Subject: | Rubber components |
It does happen: I placed an order at McMaster-Carr and they sent me an
email
saying that they have stopped shipping overseas expet for some very
special
customes - that I am oviously not.
Alfred
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Alfred Buess, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
E-Mail: yki <mailto:ykibuess@bluewin.ch> buess@bluewin.ch
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS
_____
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Gesendet: Montag, 28. April 2008 07:18
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Rubber components
In a message dated 4/27/2008 2:54:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk writes:
I have dropped them a line to see if they will
mail to the UK. Has anyone had any dealings with them?
Why would a company that would be charging you for the S&H not want to
ship
to the UK?
If they did have a problem, have them shipped to a fellow Europaphile
and
have them reship.
Just a thought.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
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| Subject: | Re: Rubber components |
Alfred & others on the east side of the pond,
I already provide service as order intermediary between my friend Jos up in Finland
and merchandising operations here in the U.S. who choose not to ship to your
part of the world. I'd be glad to do the same for any others who wish to
buy from McMaster or other companies here in the U.S. The only issue being
the amazing shipping costs. Ship to me and from me to you becomes expensive.
I do not add anything to the bill for myself. Please feel free to contact me
should you want to place any orders.
Check six,
Bob Borger
rlborger@mac.com
Europa Kit - 95% done only 95% to go...
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
On Monday, April 28, 2008, at 01:52PM, "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
wrote:
>It does happen: I placed an order at McMaster-Carr and they sent me an email
>saying that they have stopped shipping overseas expet for some very special
>customes - that I am oviously not.
>
>Alfred
>
>
>Alfred Buess, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
>E-Mail: yki <mailto:ykibuess@bluewin.ch> buess@bluewin.ch
>Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS
>
> _____
>
>Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von
>DuaneFamly@aol.com
>Gesendet: Montag, 28. April 2008 07:18
>An: europa-list@matronics.com
>Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Rubber components
>
>
>In a message dated 4/27/2008 2:54:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk writes:
>
>I have dropped them a line to see if they will
>mail to the UK. Has anyone had any dealings with them?
>
>Why would a company that would be charging you for the S&H not want to ship
>to the UK?
>
>If they did have a problem, have them shipped to a fellow Europaphile and
>have them reship.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>Mike Duane A207A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Partners for Scandinavian Trip 6th June through16th |
June.
Hi! All Europa European Owners/fliers.
I'm looking to round up all interested parties in my Scandinavian Group
Tour
to include Stockholm Barkaby Rally and Stauning Denmark Rally.
Please e-mail me as soon as possible and prior to 10th May.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Monos only need open |
Gen'mens,
I read with interest the byplay from Nigel and Graham, plus others
regarding the laying
of blame for ground-looping. I agree entirely with their appreciations.
Thoughts then turned to unrequested retraction of outriggers and I
leapt to the wing to
see what happens. Apparently my outrigger(s) unlock if the flaps retract
only minutely. It then
occurred to me that I may not maintain sufficient pressure on the flap
control tube to prevent
a bounce allowing the flap to bounce up and unlock the shopping-cart wheel.
Have you tried this? Is it possible? ...or am I unnecessarily
concerned - or have I taken
too much off the particular shape which controls this?
Tricycles need not apply.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Resin for mod 72 |
Anyone know of a source of suitable epoxy for Mod 72 in the UK?
Regards
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N211KA |
Hi Fred,
the gap-seals must not interfere with the normal retraction of the flaps,
and for that reason have to be soft and hollow.
I have also noticed an increase in cruising speed at my preset cruise rpm.
(5100), which needs to be verified with my
GPS. It is the efficiency in cruise, which I am hoping to improve for fuel
savings. The more noticeable boost of the climb
performance with flaps retracted came as a surprise to me.
I have talked to Alex about a week ago and he has not flown his Europa since
last years problem with the engine.
However, he feels that somebody else with the same engine in a different
type of home-built has come up with a solution to the problem with the fuel
injection computer. They are going to solve the problem together as soon as
possible.
The manufacturer of the CAM engines is quite out of the picture. It is a
very good engine apart from the computer software.
I like your outrigger fairings. Did you make molds for the components? I now
have molds to produce additional fairings
for the mono-wheel (7.00 McCreary). The fairings also close the large
opening of the wheel-well, another major source of
drag. Will release pictures after painting and installing the rear part of
the fairing.
Good building.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N211KA
>
> Correction: left wing heavy solo
>
> Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am very happy to announce the first flight of Europa Mono Kit A211 on
>> 4/23/08.
>> Test Pilot was Bob Lindsay after an inspection and weight&balance by Kim
>> Prout.
>> I can not possibly thank those gentleman enough!
>>
>> Some facts about N211KA and first flight
>>
>> Intercooled 914
>> Airmaster prop
>> Alternator on vac pump pad
>> Empty CG 59.25"
>> First Flight CG 60"
>> Empty Weight 886 lbs.
>> VSO 43 KIAS
>> VX 61
>> VY 75
>> First Flight total weight 1118 lbs.
>> Bishop airport, California
>>
>> Right wing heavy when flown solo, and just a touch heavy with two up.
>> Engine and Prop perform just perfectly together. Temps are all good on
>> the ground and in the pattern. OAT was only around 70 F, so I may have
>> issues in typical high summer heat around here.
>>
>> Awesome little airplane
>>
>> Kevin
>>
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>
>
> --
> Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM
>
>
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