---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/07/08: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:34 AM - DOTH Thu. 8th Sherburn-in-Elmet (Paddy Clarke) 2. 01:42 AM - Help with propeller requested (Tim Houlihan) 3. 02:11 AM - Loctiteing tailplanes torque tube (Raimo Toivio) 4. 06:05 AM - Fuel tank - EA2004 (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 5. 07:52 AM - Re : Refueling (Rotax) (John & Paddy Wigney) 6. 08:04 AM - Re: Switch for Hobbs. (Graeme Smith) 7. 11:21 AM - AW: Switch for Hobbs. (Europa (Alfred Buess)) 8. 01:03 PM - Re: Tailplane torque tube troubles (Belinda Glover) 9. 01:16 PM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (William Daniell) 10. 02:02 PM - CREDIT CARD SCAM (p-a.austin) 11. 02:02 PM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (William Daniell) 12. 02:15 PM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (Robert C Harrison) 13. 02:36 PM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (William Daniell) 14. 04:16 PM - Re: AW: Switch for Hobbs. (rampil) 15. 04:27 PM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (Graham Singleton) 16. 04:39 PM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (Fred Klein) 17. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: AW: Switch for Hobbs. (craig bastin) 18. 06:11 PM - Door bulge because of seal (craig bastin) 19. 08:04 PM - Re: Door bulge because of seal (Fred Klein) 20. 08:31 PM - Mod 72 reamer (Fred Klein) 21. 08:37 PM - Re: Door bulge because of seal (craig bastin) 22. 09:55 PM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (Robert C Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:57 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Thu. 8th Sherburn-in-Elmet Hi Folks, It looks as though the fine weather could last 'til tomorrow (Thursday), so how about a DOTH. I propose Sherburn-in-Elmet, voucher in Flyer, 1200 ish. Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:37 AM PST US From: "Tim Houlihan" Subject: Europa-List: Help with propeller requested Hi A friend and fellow Europa builder has asked me to help with a problem he is having with his propeller. He has a need for a left hand warp drive prop either a complete propeller or just the blades to help identify and hopefully resolve his problem. Can you help ? it has been suggested that the prop used on Subaru version of the Europa would be suitable. Do you have one not in use that we can borrow, rent or buy. Reply either on the forum or to tim@houlihan.flyer.co.uk Thanks Tim H Classic No 10 G-BZTH Checked by AVG. 17:17 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:20 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: Loctiteing tailplanes torque tube This pic you must see! I loctited [603] today my Europa=B4s tail planes torque tubes to be one solid tube. I used a great Belgium made patent by Mr. Dirk van Oyen to do it. All went well - it was nice to see Loctite 603 coming through! I have to pack IT because *some* people think it must be a kind of pxxxs enlargement stuf. Hard to prove this equipment is just and only to make Europa=B4s more safer to fly. Raimo OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417 The Experimental of The Year 2007 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/jami_07/europa/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:22 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Fuel tank - EA2004 All, Talked with Roger at EA2004 today. They are trying to find a solution for those experiencing cracked tank or extensive bulging, before they possibly look at replacements for those wishing to install a new tank or builders who have not installed the tank yet. Too early to tell whether any solution or new design may emerge, or when. I mentioned my personal preference, namely that the Europa community should concentrate on ONE entity looking into these matters, not several and on both sides of the Atlantic, and this ought to be EA2004. We will all benefit in many ways also in the future from a continued, strong operation at EA2004. Without discussing it any further at this early stage, I encouraged Roger to consider funding of their research/design work, if necessary, by inviting sponsors who in turn would get a rebate if purchasing a new tank. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:36 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re : Refueling (Rotax) Hi Raimo, I am sorry to hear that your 912S is unhappy with 100LL. This is a bit surprising for me as I have always used 100LL from Day 1 with no problems. First flight was in Dec. 2001 and I now have 590 hours. Only engine issue in that time has been a broken wire on an ignition system connector which caused a problem on one magneto. However, I have always used a fuel additive to prevent lead build up. I first used TCP http://www.alcorinc.com/fuel-treatment/product-07-07.php and now use Decalin http://www.decalinchemicals.com/fueladditive.html additive. I see that TCP has problems with shipping now since the solvent they use is toxic. TCP and Decalin have the same active component, Tri Cresyl Phosphate, but Decalin has a benign solvent so it can be carried in a plane. Decalin can be bought from Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/Decalin.php . I add 15 ml of Decalin per 10 US gallons of fuel. This routine seems to work well. I check the plugs at 50 hours and change them at 100 hours as per Rotax recommendation; they are always in good condition with no build up of lead. I also use Valvoline Durablend 10W-40 semi-synthetic oil (approved by Rotax). This oil picks up lead in suspension and I get no deposit of lead sludge in the oil tank. I also had problems with fuel coming from the breather vent during filling. I fixed this by installing a larger diameter vent tube which tees into the filler neck. The larger vent tube permits full flow filling without backup. A small diameter tube goes from the filler neck to the original fuselage top vent. Hope the weather is warming up nicely for you. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ORIGINAL MESSAGE /From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: Refueling (Rotax) All The Europa Refuelers, I do not like to use 100LL (w Rotax). That makes my engine (912S) unhappy, really. So - if possible - I carry Mogas to the airfield. That is not fun. I really hate it, to refuel it. Same time, I do love to pump Cessna by 100LL. More unfun is to refuel Europa by *normal* way because - a canister is heavy to keep up - it takes a long time to refuel even 60 litres = 3 cans - it is unsafe for refueler=B4s health to be near when refueling - there is a possibility [because of the contact between can and plane] to flame and burn whole Europa and maybe your *whole life work* - when almost full, it tends to come some fuel out from breathing tube I think most of the problems are out w attached equipment. As you see there is also for extra safety a real Europa fuel filter (they are extra for me because I use one piece solid ones). In my case the fuel pump is a cheap one - only 1,5 litres /minute - but so there is a good time to check the plane! The power is taken from the `Jump Start` as in the pic OR from my Europas EPS (External Power Source). It took only 10 minutes to make this idea to live in Today. Raimo OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417 The Experimental of The Year 2007 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/jami_07/europa// ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:32 AM PST US From: "Graeme Smith" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Switch for Hobbs. I used a small vacuum switch from Radio Spares connected to the engine-driven vacuum pump Graeme Smith G-CCGW 2008/5/5 Mike Gamble : > What are chaps using to switch their hobbs timer on with engine start? Is > there an alternative to the n/o oil pressure switch? - perhaps sensing > alternator output. > Thanks > Mike Gamble > > * > > * > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *Houxou* , and is > believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:40 AM PST US From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Switch for Hobbs. Mike, Comco Ikarus ( http://www.comco-ikarus.de/index_english.html, I have no commercial relations to them, but can recommend their excellent customer support) sells an electronic filter produced by Utz Schicke (producer of the Schicke GR6 regulator for Rotax engines) which hooks directly to the AC wires of the alternator. Whenever the alternator is in action (even with the regulator shut off), the Hobbs (or an other brand of hour meter) gets DC power and is active too. It costs 65 Euros. Alfred =A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8 =A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8 =A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8 =A8 =A8=A8=A8 Alfred Buess, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS _____ Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Graeme Smith Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008 15:59 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Switch for Hobbs. I used a small vacuum switch from Radio Spares connected to the engine-driven vacuum pump Graeme Smith G-CCGW 2008/5/5 Mike Gamble : What are chaps using to switch their hobbs timer on with engine start? Is there an alternative to the n/o oil pressure switch? - perhaps sensing alternator output. Thanks Mike Gamble -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:35 PM PST US From: "Belinda Glover" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube troubles --I had to replace a torque tube during a rebuild. Could not believe that the nickel plating is hand removed to fit the tailplane bushes and the assembly is then sold as a set as new. Fine until you need a new torque tube when you find it wont go through the tailplane bushings. 2 loose bearings in the tailplanes later after the cautious use of a flapwheel on an extended drive shaft and I gave up on rebuilding any more Europas. Hope that helps Gary McKirdy --- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hatton To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube troubles I am reading these torque tube troubles with a vested interest. I have a torque tube with some surface rust and my immediate view would be to replace the torque tube but for the fact of the job that it would entail. On a previous thread (a year or more ago) I read about the "earlier" torque tubes for the pre-XS Europas were not a standard dimension. Therefore the current torque tubes as supplied by the factory for the XS models will not be an exact fit for what I would like to replace. I believe I will have to work on the elevators as well as having the difficulty of extracting the torque tube itself. Has anyone experienced removing a torque tube in order to replace it and can offer some advice? At the moment my LAA inspector is reviewing what we have once I have cleaned up the torque tube after rubbing down wet with WD-40 with 800 grade sandpaper. If the tube looks too far gone after this exercise then I will not have any choice but to replace. Robert Hatton From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:43 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube troubles Actually my point about not using it was to alert the others monitoring the list that no matter how slight a defect such as you have seen, not to use any part with plating that is peeling. I would not recommend re-plating. Although it is possible to remove the nickel, for example by immersing the part in nitric acid, possible (likely?) damage to the substrate would make the part less than airworthy in my opinion. The steel tube is so cheap that it would not be economical to spend the time to repair it - replacement is the likely answer you'll get from the factory. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stockton Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:18 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube troubles Thanks Rob, Yes, I know not to use it, but now what do I do. ?Get a new part from England or have this one replated? Still waiting for John to get back to me. Rob Housman wrote: My business is plating, including nickel plating. When electrodeposited nickel does not adhere to the substrate it is indicative of inadequate cleaning and activation of the substrate. DO NOT install any parts that have the plated metal peeling because the problem will only get worse as more material peels. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:41 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube troubles Rick loose plating might give you trouble with tailplane removal, the fit in the tailplane bushes is quite tight. Get it replaced or replated, that should not happen Graham Rick Stockton wrote: > I installed the tail plane torque tube a couple of days ago and strayed > it with AFS-50 then wiped it down with MEK. I noticed that the plating > is flaking off on one side. I sent an E-mail to John asking him what he > thinks I need to do. > > Are there any ideals? Have it replated, buy a new one? > > * > > > * -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:45 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Ah I see yes - I meant the pip pin not the lift pin. So you do have to cut a slot out of the closeout rib. it sounds as though hole will have to tapped out a little. Thanks Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 17:38 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Hi! William Please don=92t consider me an authority but in the absence of any one else replying =85=85..! I=92m bemused by question 1? Do you mean the rear lift pin locking pip pin is vertical? If so, you get it out by pulling it vertically upwards and you will need to cut a hole eventually through the wing to fuselage fillet fairings so at this stage you will need to relieve it=92s clearance through the inboard upper surface of the wing closeout which when the fairings have been fitted you may well need to open out . The pip pin travels vertically or parallel to the rib. The lift pin is =93normal=94 to the root closeout rib. 2. Have you used a no 3 plug thread tap all the way into the hole ? because it sounds to me the threads aren=92t tapped deep enough? Otherwise try freezing the pin it may shrink it a =93nats=94. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- Checked by AVG. 06-May-08 17:17 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:26 PM PST US From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: CREDIT CARD SCAM A heads up folks on this latest theft by stealth. Peter #198 ZK-ZEB Subject: LATEST SYDNEY CREDIT CARD SCAM- URGENT PLEASE READ LATEST SYDNEYCREDIT CARD SCAM This one is pretty slick since they provide YOU with all the information, except the one piece they want. Note, the callers do not ask for your card number; they already have it. This information is worth reading. By understanding how the VISA & MasterCard Telephone Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to protect yourself. One of our employees was called on Wednesday from 'VISA', and I was called on Thursday from 'Master Card'. The scam works like this: Caller: 'This is (name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which was issued by (name of bank). Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for $497.99 from a Marketing company based in Arizona?' When you say 'No', the caller continues with, 'Then w e will be issuing a credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the charges range from $297 to $497, just under the e $500 purchase pattern that flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to (gives you your address), is that correct?' You say 'yes'. The caller continues - 'I will be starting a Fraud investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 1- 800 number listed on the back of your card (1-800-VISA) and ask for Security. You will need to refer to this Control Number. The caller then gives you a 6 digit number. 'Do you need me to read it again?' Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works. The caller then says, 'I need to verify you are in possession of your card'. He'll ask you to 'turn your card over and look for some numbers'. ; There are 7 numbers; the first 4 are e part of your card number, the next 3 are the security Numbers' that verify you are the possessor of the card. These are the numbers you sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card. The caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him. After you tell the caller the 3 numbers, he'll say, 'That is correct, I just needed to verify that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you have any other questions?' After you say No, the caller then thanks you and states, 'Don't hesitate to call back if you do', and hangs up. You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase of $497.99 was charged to our card. Long story - short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers want is the 3-digit PIN number on the back of the card.Don't give it to them.. Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or Master card directly for verification of their conversation. The real VISA told us that they will never ask for anything on the card as they already know the information since they issued the card! If you give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN Number, you think y you're receiving a credit. However, by the time you get your statement you'll see charges for purchases you didn't make, and by then it's almost too late and/or more difficult to actually y file a fraud report. What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a 'Jason Richardson of Master Card' with a word-for-word repeat of the V ISA scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that this scam is happening. Please pass this on to all your family and friends. By informing each other, we protect each other. files. _______________This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Before opening any attachments, check them for viruses or defects. _______________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- 02/12/2007 20:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG. 5/05/2008 5:11 p.m. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:58 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Yes sorry not engaging brain before writing. Pip pin vertical. Thanks And thanks will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 18:52 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Will, > 1. The rear lift pin is vertical. If this is correct do you have to cut out a slot in the root rib to get it in an out? I think your wording here may be a little confusing. The actual lift pin is horizontal (actually parallel to the main wing pins when viewed horizontally) and the hole through it which accommodates the Pip Pin locking pin is vertical. To enable insertion and removal of the Pip Pin, a hole needs to be cut through the upper wing surface/fairing. > 2. One of my front pins won=92t go in all the way ' still has about 4 threads showing. The other one goes in all the way. How do I get a grip of the damn thing to screw it in short of taking the mole grips to it or cutting a slot in the top for a screw driver? In my opinion, if the threads on the pins and in the holes are clean and dry, you should be able to screw the pins in fully by hand. This is what I would try:- * Swap the pins from one wing to the other to determine if it is the pin or hole at fault. * If the pin screws fully into the other wing, then it is the hole at fault so ensure the tap will easily screw fully into the hole and that the thread in the hole contains no debris from the tapping operation. * The pin may have been dropped or something may have dropped on it and damaged the thread. If so, in the absence of having the proper die to restore the thread, drill and tap a hole through a 1/4" piece of flat steel. Using a vice with "soft jaws"*, clamp the pin tightly in the vice and screw the 1/4" piece of steel down over the thread. This will allow you enough leverage to overcome a slight deformation of the thread on the pin and will hopefully restore the thread to enable it to be screwed back easily into the wing. * "Soft Jaws" eg, two pieces of 1.5" X 1.5" aluminium angle placed into the jaws of the vice to prevent damage to the part being held. Cheers Kingsley in Oz "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion Checked by AVG. 04-May-08 12:31 Checked by AVG. 06-May-08 17:17 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:20 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence No! William ..NO SLOT OUT OF ANY RIB, PLEASE. Just a scallop out of the close out air upper surface. The Rib is one of the most stressed items in the wing do not encroach into it. Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 07 May 2008 21:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Ah I see yes - I meant the pip pin not the lift pin. So you do have to cut a slot out of the closeout rib. it sounds as though hole will have to tapped out a little. Thanks Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 17:38 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Hi! William Please don't consider me an authority but in the absence of any one else replying ....! I'm bemused by question 1? Do you mean the rear lift pin locking pip pin is vertical? If so, you get it out by pulling it vertically upwards and you will need to cut a hole eventually through the wing to fuselage fillet fairings so at this stage you will need to relieve it's clearance through the inboard upper surface of the wing closeout which when the fairings have been fitted you may well need to open out . The pip pin travels vertically or parallel to the rib. The lift pin is "normal" to the root closeout rib. 2. Have you used a no 3 plug thread tap all the way into the hole ? because it sounds to me the threads aren't tapped deep enough? Otherwise try freezing the pin it may shrink it a "nats". Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- Checked by AVG. 06-May-08 17:17 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:18 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Ok thanks From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 16:13 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence No! William =85.NO SLOT OUT OF ANY RIB, PLEASE. Just a scallop out of the close out air upper surface. The Rib is one of the most stressed items in the wing do not encroach into it. Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- Checked by AVG. 06-May-08 17:17 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:22 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: AW: Switch for Hobbs. From: "rampil" The simplest device requiring no connections at all is the vibration- sensitive timer made by ENM. I have 17 hours on mine so far after purchase at SnF this year. Seems to work. Again, no connection to motor, to battery or to anything else. Just stick it on the panel where you want it! I bought mine from PSA Enterprises of Lakeland FL for $22.00 They are at http://www.psaenterprises.com/ The product specs are at: http://enmco.thomasnet.com/viewitems/enm-counting-instruments-lcd-hour-meter/t54-vibration-activated-hour-meter?&bc=100|1005|3001037&forward=1 Enjoy! -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181803#181803 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:39 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence He's right Willaim.! When you set the incidence of the second wing, check the incidence at the outer end of the flap on the first, then match the incidence of the second wing at the same point to that. The incidence at the root doesn't affect roll much but further out on the wing it does! That way you compensate for any mismatch in the twist of the two wings. Graham William Daniell wrote: > Ok thanks > > > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert C > Harrison > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 16:13 > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence > > > > No! William .NO SLOT OUT OF ANY RIB, PLEASE. Just a scallop out of > the close out air upper surface. The Rib is one of the most stressed > items in the wing do not encroach into it. > > Regards > > Bob Harrison. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Checked by AVG. > 06-May-08 17:17 > > * > > > * -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence From: Fred Klein On Wednesday, May 7, 2008, at 14:12 US/Pacific, Robert C Harrison wrote: > No! William =85.NO SLOT OUT OF ANY RIB, PLEASE.-Just a scallop -out o f > the close out air upper surface. The Rib is one of the most stressed > items in the wing do not encroach into it. Bob, What pray tell is the "close out air upper surface"? Is there a slight typo in your post? Are you saying that a "scallop" out of the top flange of the root rib is OK? I certainly hope so, as one was required on both my wings for me to insert the pip pins. I recognise that this is a highly stressed portion of a key component. Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:09 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: AW: Switch for Hobbs. thats quite good isnt it, I think i will go that way -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: AW: Switch for Hobbs. The simplest device requiring no connections at all is the vibration- sensitive timer made by ENM. I have 17 hours on mine so far after purchase at SnF this year. Seems to work. Again, no connection to motor, to battery or to anything else. Just stick it on the panel where you want it! I bought mine from PSA Enterprises of Lakeland FL for $22.00 They are at http://www.psaenterprises.com/ The product specs are at: http://enmco.thomasnet.com/viewitems/enm-counting-instruments-lcd-hour-meter /t54-vibration-activated-hour-meter?&bc=100|1005|3001037&forward=1 Enjoy! -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181803#181803 Checked by AVG. 5:23 PM Checked by AVG. 5:23 PM ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:24 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: Door bulge because of seal Can anyone tell me if they had issues with the doors bulging because of the seals kingsley suggested i fit the seals before I set the retaining holes in the door frame (thankyou kingsley) which worked nicely, door is flush and even front back and top, but, the doors bulge about 5mm in the middle because of the door seals. At this point the seal is that tight, i feel you could almost run a pressurised cockpit (keep dreaming craig) , how did you all overcome this, Sand the lip the seal is on till it all fits nicely, stiffen the door with some carbon maybe, or both, I dont have the "glass" in the door yet but i doubt it will stiffen the door enough to hold the 5mm flex that is present now. craig Checked by AVG. 5:23 PM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door bulge because of seal From: Fred Klein On Wednesday, May 7, 2008, at 18:08 US/Pacific, craig bastin wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if they had issues with the doors bulging because > of the > seals > the doors bulge about 5mm in the middle because of the door seals. Craig, Both my doors bulge about 3 mm at the center of the lower edge; this is w/o the seals or plexi. I've yet to do a trial fit with the seals. Bud Yerly advised use of a heat gun to reduce the bow and eliminate the bulge, saying that proper fit before installing glass is essential, otherwise getting proper fit WITH the glass is quite difficult. Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 reamer From: Fred Klein As I recall, a couple of youse guys in the states have offered the use of a 16.5 mm reamer. If so, please put my name on the list and let me know when one might be available to a builder. No pressing need, but I've got my inserts and would like to install when retrofits to flying aircraft are completed. thanks, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:24 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Door bulge because of seal without the seals the doors are sweet, nice and true, flush all round, its only now the seal is on, that the door bulges, its almost like the seal is too hard and is deforming the door. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door bulge because of seal On Wednesday, May 7, 2008, at 18:08 US/Pacific, craig bastin wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if they had issues with the doors bulging because > of the > seals > the doors bulge about 5mm in the middle because of the door seals. Craig, Both my doors bulge about 3 mm at the center of the lower edge; this is w/o the seals or plexi. I've yet to do a trial fit with the seals. Bud Yerly advised use of a heat gun to reduce the bow and eliminate the bulge, saying that proper fit before installing glass is essential, otherwise getting proper fit WITH the glass is quite difficult. Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Checked by AVG. 5:23 PM Checked by AVG. 5:23 PM ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:24 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence Hi! Fred I was trying to have William NOT remove any part of the RIB . The wing skin likely extends beyond what you call the RIB FLANGE. The skin is what I call "fair game" for shaping . Better put up with some difficult access now and extend the hole later when things are more permanent. Regards Bob H -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 08 May 2008 00:36 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence On Wednesday, May 7, 2008, at 14:12 US/Pacific, Robert C Harrison wrote: No! William ..NO SLOT OUT OF ANY RIB, PLEASE. Just a scallop out of the close out air upper surface. The Rib is one of the most stressed items in the wing do not encroach into it. Bob, What pray tell is the "close out air upper surface"? Is there a slight typo in your post? Are you saying that a "scallop" out of the top flange of the root rib is OK? I certainly hope so, as one was required on both my wings for me to insert the pip pins. I recognise that this is a highly stressed portion of a key component. 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