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1. 02:16 AM - Europa Safety and the LAA (p-a.austin)
2. 03:08 AM - Re: DOTH Wednesday (Trevpond@aol.com)
3. 03:09 AM - Re: Europa Safety and the LAA (Trevpond@aol.com)
4. 04:04 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (josok)
5. 05:09 AM - LED Strobes (craig bastin)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Roger Lowe)
7. 05:40 AM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee (Roger Lowe)
8. 05:41 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Roger Lowe)
9. 06:25 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (david miller)
10. 07:37 AM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (danbish)
11. 07:39 AM - Wednesday,s DOTH (Bryan Allsop)
12. 07:55 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (Carl Pattinson)
13. 08:51 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (rampil)
14. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Europa safety and the LAA ()
15. 09:26 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (josok)
16. 09:44 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (josok)
17. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Europa safety and the LAA (Robert Borger)
18. 10:00 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Rowland Carson)
19. 10:18 AM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
20. 11:32 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (rampil)
21. 11:55 AM - PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents ()
22. 12:21 PM - Re: PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents (Robert Borger)
23. 01:22 PM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (david miller)
24. 02:58 PM - Re: Mod 62 (Raimo Toivio)
25. 03:22 PM - Re: Mod 62 (craig bastin)
26. 03:29 PM - Re: Mod 62 (Graham Singleton)
27. 05:17 PM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Karl Heindl)
28. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Door bulge because of seal (craig bastin)
29. 07:19 PM - Accident Report Question (Martin Tuck)
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| Subject: | Europa Safety and the LAA |
Carl Pattinson wrote:-
>>>>As regards the Europa fleet
the PFA has a list of potential problems/ issues which inspectors should pay
particular attention to when carrying out inspections.<<<<<
Carl is there any chance this PFA list can be made public or placed on the
Europa List as a further guide for those of us deemed by our relevant
Aviation Authorities capable to perform maintenance on our "AND ONLY OUR,
OWN" aircraft.
Regards
Peter
#198
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Wednesday |
Hi Brian,
Regrets for Wednesday, I'm off to France with the weather being good this
week!
regards
Trev
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Safety and the LAA |
Hi Peter,
Have a word with Neville - he will let you know.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
Thanks Peter,
The inspection list and statistical results of inspections are both of extreme
importance for continued safety of our aircraft. Even more there where we do not
have the benefit of a inspectors with thorough knowledge of the type.
What is the right word to classify withholding safety critical information?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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Has anyone used or is runnig LED strobes, A few calculations on the new 10mm
dual emitter
white leds (280K mcd) says 4 rows of six gives 180 degree arc with +/- 80
degree (horizontal plain)
with
820 cd to +/- 5 degrees Required = 400cd
560 cd to +/- 20 degrees Required = 240cd
280 cd to +/- 80 degrees Required = 40cd
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ |
Dave,
Please extend my CONGRATULATIONS to Jan on his first flight. He must be grinning
from ear to ear and contented to realize the fruits of his labour is now a reality.
B.T.W. Is was great to see you, Chris and Jan and 3 Europas at Kitchener-Waterloo
- CYKF the other week. It was a real inspiration for me to keep moving on my
own kit.
Take care,
Roger
A252
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| Subject: | Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee |
Paul,
I also would like you or anybody for that matter to send info on what is required
and where to get parts to build a conventional geared Europa. My kit is originally
a monowheel but haven't done any of the gear building yet.
Thanks,
Roger
A252
Paul,
Would you send me the contact information needed for the conversion. I
too am thinking of changing to a tail dragger.
Thank you,
Ralph
Reno, NV
Paul McAllister wrote:
Hi All,
Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to
convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob
Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this
summer and then over winter I will do the conversion.
I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some
generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on
the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is
used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a
splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished.
If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would
cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you
can help.
Thanks and regards, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ |
Dave,
Please extend my CONGRATULATIONS to Jan on his first flight. He must be grinning
from ear to ear and contented to realize the fruits of his labour is now a reality.
B.T.W. Is was great to see you, Chris and Jan and 3 Europas at Kitchener-Waterloo
- CYKF the other week. It was a real inspiration for me to keep moving on my
own kit.
Take care,
Roger
A252
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ |
Hi Karl,
Like Bob H., I am now a retired gentleman, or at least I am retired,
so perhaps if the weather
does not co-operate for a fly in we could meet on a nice day mid week.
Pavel, in B.C. tells me that my Woodcomp is being shipped back by UPS
today, I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Dave
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On 11-May-08, at 5:15 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Many congratulations to Jan. Looking forward to a fly-in. I am
> slow getting off the ground this year, but will do so soon.
>
> Karl
>
>
> <html><div></div>
>
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > From: loboloda@execulink.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ
> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:24:48 -0400
> >
> <loboloda@execulink.com>
> >
> > Jan Volcic does not monitor the forum, but I'm pleased to announce
> > that he made a first flight
> > this morning in his mono.
> > The day has turned wet and windy, so Jan has a good excuse to sit
> > indoors and enjoy a few brews.
> >
> > Kit # is A220
> > Empty weight 859 lbs
> > 912S with Airmaster prop
> > field - Kitchener-Waterloo regional airport, CYKF
> >
> > Now there are 4 Europas flying in Ontario, and I believe 4 underway
> > ( Pete I trust your pile of parts is now under
> construct=============
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Setting the wing incidence |
Hi William,
Sorry for the delay in posting but I haven't been able to post for a while due
to subscription issues. I have those ironed out now and have some thoughts. I
did a post some time ago that might help. Click below, or do a search on WING
with danbish as the author.
http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?t=3480&highlight=wing
There are a few photos that might help at:
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=FittingWings&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Anyway, this is what worked for me but I'm not flyin' yet so I might just find
I fly around in circles!
Happy Building!
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| Subject: | Wednesday,s DOTH |
For those participating in the Cromer Doth, I have further information.
The village of Northrepps is a few minutes walk from the airfield, where th
ere is a bus service to Cromer which takes less than 10 minutes. A bus leav
es the Foundry Arms at 12.45 pm, so it would be a good idea to arrive at th
e airfield at mid day.
A decision on whether to eat at the pub, or in Cromer can be made on the da
y. At this time I favour the ride into town. Please do not forget your bus
passes.
Further info is available on www.northreppsaerodrome.co.uk . Cromer radio i
s 129.825
Regards.
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
Hi Jos and others who asked about the "inspectors" list.
I may have given the impression that this is some sort of secret list but that
isnt the case. It is simply a collection of notes relating to Europa issues which
the PFA have sent out to owners from time to time since the Europa became
a PFA aircraft. If you are a PFA (now LAA) member you would have recieved these.
They are issued in a fairly random manner and I dont recall having seen any
new ones for quite a while.
Past bulletins include notes on wear in the outrigger bearings and play in the
tailplane assembly.
Not sure if they are available directly from the PFA though I understood they had
been sent to the appropriate inspectors. Maybe someone in the know could confirm
this.
As suggested previously, Neville may be able to help you if you want to get hold
of them. Most have since been replaced by official Europa mods.
I will have a look in my builders file and see if I can locate any of my own copies.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
Jos:
I am afraid you make assumptions where evidence is lacking. Suffice
to say that there are many areas of any europa, once completed that are
beyond any conventional inspection or testing.
Carl:
You confirm that these are "secret" safety lists (is that an oxymoron!)
only available to LAA members. Someone seems to forget that half the
fleet is outside the dominion of the LAA. Safety information should know
no proprietary bounds. FAA Advisory Circulars are freely available to all.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
"> You confirm that these are "secret" safety lists (is that an
oxymoron!)
> only available to LAA members. Someone seems to forget that half the
> fleet is outside the dominion of the LAA. Safety information should know
> no proprietary bounds. FAA Advisory Circulars are freely available to all."
When I was reading on Safety Bulletin for Tailplanes, I remember reading
about the "secret" safety lists. Not easy to track down, but someone was
kind enough to send me scanned copies. I have 3 files. Unfortunate any one
of those files is too large for Matronics to handle.
I would be pleased to share files, what is easiest way? Some good
information contained I have not seen or heard discussed anywhere else.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
Hi Ira,
Sorry, no assumption. Somebody said that quality of inspection was guaranteed because
it was done according to a list of known problem areas. On the question
were that list and it's (statistical) results is available no real answer pops
up, and in other postings that check list is played down to some known, factory
followed up, items.
Conventional? Is that non-destructive? testing can be very effective if you know
where to look, eventually with the aid of a bore-scope or ultra sound Simple
tapping also reveals a lot. But it all boils down to in depth knowledge of what
you are looking for.
In this stage i tend to give up. Everything is just fine. There are no problems
because planes are inspected perfectly according to a non-existing list. Whatever
happens thereafter has nothing to do with the perfect system. End of thread
for me.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
Europaowners forum, Europa files, document storage, limit on size is larger then
you would like to upload.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
Ron,
Post it on the Europa Owners site. There's a place for documents.
Bob
On Monday, May 12, 2008, at 11:39AM, <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
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>"> You confirm that these are "secret" safety lists (is that an
>oxymoron!)
>> only available to LAA members. Someone seems to forget that half the
>> fleet is outside the dominion of the LAA. Safety information should know
>> no proprietary bounds. FAA Advisory Circulars are freely available to all."
>
>When I was reading on Safety Bulletin for Tailplanes, I remember reading
>about the "secret" safety lists. Not easy to track down, but someone was
>kind enough to send me scanned copies. I have 3 files. Unfortunate any one
>of those files is too large for Matronics to handle.
>
>I would be pleased to share files, what is easiest way? Some good
>information contained I have not seen or heard discussed anywhere else.
>
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ |
At 2008-05-11 14:24 -0400 david miller wrote:
>Jan Volcic does not monitor the forum, but I'm pleased to announce
>that he made a first flight
>this morning
David - congratulations to Jan. I happen to have the Europa Club
database in my hands at present for some maintenance work & I thought
I'd add this bit of data. However, given the timestamp of your
message, I wonder I'm interpreting the date correctly. You do mean
that the F/F took place on Sunday 11 May, yes?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee |
Roger,
Contact Bob Berube at FlightCrafters in Florida. He has been a man in the
fore front of Europa Convential Gear installations. He has a set of large
aluminum brackets that get installed under the seat. To these brackets, a one
piece aluminum main gear is attached. You keep your standard tailwheel from the
mono.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
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| Subject: | Re: Europa safety and the LAA |
Jos:
Through my friendship with various builder assistance people,
I have heard many tales of builders going wrong, in many
imaginative ways. How about 5 min epoxy instead of redux for
some structural joints, how about bid instead of uni and vice versus.
As I said, there are many places including inside layups, even for
drag pin sockets that are not inspectable by routine methods.
At my home base there is a gent who built a beautiful copy of an
ME109. He expected it would be airworthy. He built it with Home-Depot
bolts and Douglas Fir wood. On taxi, it crushed the landing gear. OK, the
PFA might have caught that one during build.
There are builders who will confound any conscientious inspector at a
years on condition inspection especially if they do not scrap off the filler
and paint.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents |
I just posted 3 scanned PFA documents to EuropaOwners Forum Index ->
Document Storage.
Thx. again to whoever sent them to me.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents |
Ron,
Thanx! Looking forward to perusing them this evening after more work on the flap
root extensions.
Bob
On Monday, May 12, 2008, at 02:06PM, <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
>
>I just posted 3 scanned PFA documents to EuropaOwners Forum Index ->
>Document Storage.
>
>Thx. again to whoever sent them to me.
>
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ |
Hi Rowland,
Yes it was May 11th
Dave
On 12-May-08, at 12:58 PM, Rowland Carson wrote:
>
> At 2008-05-11 14:24 -0400 david miller wrote:
>
>> Jan Volcic does not monitor the forum, but I'm pleased to announce
>> that he made a first flight
>> this morning
>
> David - congratulations to Jan. I happen to have the Europa Club
> database in my hands at present for some maintenance work & I
> thought I'd add this bit of data. However, given the timestamp of
> your message, I wonder I'm interpreting the date correctly. You do
> mean that the F/F took place on Sunday 11 May, yes?
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
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I give you a little tip for this mod, which I completed couple of days
ago: I painted (etch primer) the inserts first and then put them into
the freezer (-25C) for one night. After I was able to install them to
the reamed tubes just pushing by hand - no hammering att all.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Stockton
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:39 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 62
Calls out for a 3/8" reamer. Has or does anybody near California have
a reamer so I can complete this mod. Failing that I'll buy the reamer
and loan it out once I finished with it.
I'm off the OKC for a week and will be back on Friday.
Are there any Europas in or near KOKC?
Let me know.
707-330-1717
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commonly known as a shrink fit, i did the same with mine, verry effective
way of doing a permanent install of something inside something else
craig
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 8:07 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 62
I give you a little tip for this mod, which I completed couple of days
ago: I painted (etch primer) the inserts first and then put them into the
freezer (-25C) for one night. After I was able to install them to the reamed
tubes just pushing by hand - no hammering att all.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Stockton
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:39 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 62
Calls out for a 3/8" reamer. Has or does anybody near California have a
reamer so I can complete this mod. Failing that I'll buy the reamer and
loan it out once I finished with it.
I'm off the OKC for a week and will be back on Friday.
Are there any Europas in or near KOKC?
Let me know.
707-330-1717
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Good thinking Raimo!
Graham
Raimo Toivio wrote:
> I give you a little tip for this mod, which I completed couple of days
> ago: I painted (etch primer) the inserts first and then put them into
> the freezer (-25C) for one night. After I was able to install them to
> the reamed tubes just pushing by hand - no hammering att all.
>
> Raimo
>
>
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| Subject: | First Flight - C-FOGJ |
Dave,
I hope your propeller is okay now. Jiri from Woodcomp is finally speaking
to me again. I only wanted some information
about motors, but he refused to answer any emails, fax, or secretary's mess
ages. I finally had to write to the Czech Embassyand their commercial attac
he made a phonecall which seems to have worked like magic.
Cheers,
Karl
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From: loboloda@execulink.comSubject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ
Like Bob H., I am now a retired gentleman, or at least I am retired, so per
haps if the weather
does not co-operate for a fly in we could meet on a nice day mid week.
Pavel, in B.C. tells me that my Woodcomp is being shipped back by UPS today
, I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Dave
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On 11-May-08, at 5:15 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:
Hi Dave, Many congratulations to Jan. Looking forward to a fly-in. I am sl
ow getting off the ground this year, but will do so soon. Karl <html><div><
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nce > that he made a first flight > this morning in his mono.> The day has
turned wet and windy, so Jan has a good excuse to sit > indoors and enjoy a
few brews.> > Kit # is A220> Empty weight 859 lbs> 912S with Airmaster pro
p> field - Kitchener-Waterloo regional airport, CYKF> > Now there are 4 Eur
opas flying in Ontario, and I believe 4 underway > ( Pete I trust your pile
of parts is now under construct==============>
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| Subject: | Re: Door bulge because of seal |
Well here is my fix for the bulging doors, a piece of 3mm x 12mm
alluminium
reduxed and flush rivetted, clears the door sill by about 3mm, door was
slightly over flattened with a straight edge and clamps alloy bent to be
about
3mm flatter than the curve through the door opening. doors are now even
and flush
right along the opening with seals in place. Overall weight increase 80g
per door.
craig
Checked by AVG.
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| Subject: | Accident Report Question |
I read with interest the accident report for G-OHFC.
Respectfully, perhaps someone could clarify something. The report says
that the aircraft to Bodmin Airfield for the annual inspection.
Quote:
<<
and flew to Bodmin Airfield in Cornwall arriving
at 1215 hrs. It was taxied to the maintenance hangar
where the pilots met with the Popular Flying Association
(PFA, now renamed the Light Aircraft Association or
LAA) inspector and the annual inspection was carried
out. Following the inspection the pilots had lunch before
departing at 1330 hrs.
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So including lunch that's 1 hr 15 min from touchdown to takeoff.
How could an annual take that short a time?
How would they have taken the wings off for the inspection - unless
maybe they have some means of stabilizing the fuselage?
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
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