---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/12/08: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:16 AM - Europa Safety and the LAA (p-a.austin) 2. 03:08 AM - Re: DOTH Wednesday (Trevpond@aol.com) 3. 03:09 AM - Re: Europa Safety and the LAA (Trevpond@aol.com) 4. 04:04 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (josok) 5. 05:09 AM - LED Strobes (craig bastin) 6. 05:35 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Roger Lowe) 7. 05:40 AM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee (Roger Lowe) 8. 05:41 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Roger Lowe) 9. 06:25 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (david miller) 10. 07:37 AM - Re: Setting the wing incidence (danbish) 11. 07:39 AM - Wednesday,s DOTH (Bryan Allsop) 12. 07:55 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (Carl Pattinson) 13. 08:51 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (rampil) 14. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Europa safety and the LAA () 15. 09:26 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (josok) 16. 09:44 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (josok) 17. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Europa safety and the LAA (Robert Borger) 18. 10:00 AM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Rowland Carson) 19. 10:18 AM - Re: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 20. 11:32 AM - Re: Europa safety and the LAA (rampil) 21. 11:55 AM - PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents () 22. 12:21 PM - Re: PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents (Robert Borger) 23. 01:22 PM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (david miller) 24. 02:58 PM - Re: Mod 62 (Raimo Toivio) 25. 03:22 PM - Re: Mod 62 (craig bastin) 26. 03:29 PM - Re: Mod 62 (Graham Singleton) 27. 05:17 PM - Re: First Flight - C-FOGJ (Karl Heindl) 28. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Door bulge because of seal (craig bastin) 29. 07:19 PM - Accident Report Question (Martin Tuck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:48 AM PST US From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Safety and the LAA Carl Pattinson wrote:- >>>>As regards the Europa fleet the PFA has a list of potential problems/ issues which inspectors should pay particular attention to when carrying out inspections.<<<<< Carl is there any chance this PFA list can be made public or placed on the Europa List as a further guide for those of us deemed by our relevant Aviation Authorities capable to perform maintenance on our "AND ONLY OUR, OWN" aircraft. Regards Peter #198 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:11 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Wednesday Hi Brian, Regrets for Wednesday, I'm off to France with the weather being good this week! regards Trev G-LINN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:08 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Safety and the LAA Hi Peter, Have a word with Neville - he will let you know. regards Trev Pond G-LINN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa safety and the LAA From: "josok" Thanks Peter, The inspection list and statistical results of inspections are both of extreme importance for continued safety of our aircraft. Even more there where we do not have the benefit of a inspectors with thorough knowledge of the type. What is the right word to classify withholding safety critical information? Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:35 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: LED Strobes Has anyone used or is runnig LED strobes, A few calculations on the new 10mm dual emitter white leds (280K mcd) says 4 rows of six gives 180 degree arc with +/- 80 degree (horizontal plain) with 820 cd to +/- 5 degrees Required = 400cd 560 cd to +/- 20 degrees Required = 240cd 280 cd to +/- 80 degrees Required = 40cd Craig Checked by AVG. 1:08 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ From: "Roger Lowe" Dave, Please extend my CONGRATULATIONS to Jan on his first flight. He must be grinning from ear to ear and contented to realize the fruits of his labour is now a reality. B.T.W. Is was great to see you, Chris and Jan and 3 Europas at Kitchener-Waterloo - CYKF the other week. It was a real inspiration for me to keep moving on my own kit. Take care, Roger A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee From: "Roger Lowe" Paul, I also would like you or anybody for that matter to send info on what is required and where to get parts to build a conventional geared Europa. My kit is originally a monowheel but haven't done any of the gear building yet. Thanks, Roger A252 Paul, Would you send me the contact information needed for the conversion. I too am thinking of changing to a tail dragger. Thank you, Ralph Reno, NV Paul McAllister wrote: Hi All, Some of you may recall from my previous postings that I intend to convert my mono to a tail dragger. I got the conversion kit from Bob Berbue about a month ago and I have decided that I will fly this summer and then over winter I will do the conversion. I am slowly organizing all the bits I need and I was wondering if some generous soul would be prepared to lend me the moulding that fits on the tunnel for the finger brakes, and the aluminum hardware that is used for mounting up the Matco master cylinders. I'd like make a splash copy of the moulding and return it as soon as I am finished. If anyone in the US can help me I'd appreciate it. Obviously I would cover any out of pocket expenses. Please contact me off forum if you can help. Thanks and regards, Paul [/quote:0adf11b6c7][/quote:0adf11b6c7] Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ From: "Roger Lowe" Dave, Please extend my CONGRATULATIONS to Jan on his first flight. He must be grinning from ear to ear and contented to realize the fruits of his labour is now a reality. B.T.W. Is was great to see you, Chris and Jan and 3 Europas at Kitchener-Waterloo - CYKF the other week. It was a real inspiration for me to keep moving on my own kit. Take care, Roger A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:28 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ Hi Karl, Like Bob H., I am now a retired gentleman, or at least I am retired, so perhaps if the weather does not co-operate for a fly in we could meet on a nice day mid week. Pavel, in B.C. tells me that my Woodcomp is being shipped back by UPS today, I'll keep my fingers crossed. Dave do not archive On 11-May-08, at 5:15 PM, Karl Heindl wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Many congratulations to Jan. Looking forward to a fly-in. I am > slow getting off the ground this year, but will do so soon. > > Karl > > >
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > From: loboloda@execulink.com > > Subject: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ > > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:24:48 -0400 > > > > > > > Jan Volcic does not monitor the forum, but I'm pleased to announce > > that he made a first flight > > this morning in his mono. > > The day has turned wet and windy, so Jan has a good excuse to sit > > indoors and enjoy a few brews. > > > > Kit # is A220 > > Empty weight 859 lbs > > 912S with Airmaster prop > > field - Kitchener-Waterloo regional airport, CYKF > > > > Now there are 4 Europas flying in Ontario, and I believe 4 underway > > ( Pete I trust your pile of parts is now under > construct============= > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Setting the wing incidence From: "danbish" Hi William, Sorry for the delay in posting but I haven't been able to post for a while due to subscription issues. I have those ironed out now and have some thoughts. I did a post some time ago that might help. Click below, or do a search on WING with danbish as the author. http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?t=3480&highlight=wing There are a few photos that might help at: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=FittingWings&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Anyway, this is what worked for me but I'm not flyin' yet so I might just find I fly around in circles! Happy Building! Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:15 AM PST US From: Bryan Allsop Subject: Europa-List: Wednesday,s DOTH For those participating in the Cromer Doth, I have further information. The village of Northrepps is a few minutes walk from the airfield, where th ere is a bus service to Cromer which takes less than 10 minutes. A bus leav es the Foundry Arms at 12.45 pm, so it would be a good idea to arrive at th e airfield at mid day. A decision on whether to eat at the pub, or in Cromer can be made on the da y. At this time I favour the ride into town. Please do not forget your bus passes. Further info is available on www.northreppsaerodrome.co.uk . Cromer radio i s 129.825 Regards. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _mobile_052008 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:43 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa safety and the LAA From: "Carl Pattinson" Hi Jos and others who asked about the "inspectors" list. I may have given the impression that this is some sort of secret list but that isnt the case. It is simply a collection of notes relating to Europa issues which the PFA have sent out to owners from time to time since the Europa became a PFA aircraft. If you are a PFA (now LAA) member you would have recieved these. They are issued in a fairly random manner and I dont recall having seen any new ones for quite a while. Past bulletins include notes on wear in the outrigger bearings and play in the tailplane assembly. Not sure if they are available directly from the PFA though I understood they had been sent to the appropriate inspectors. Maybe someone in the know could confirm this. As suggested previously, Neville may be able to help you if you want to get hold of them. Most have since been replaced by official Europa mods. I will have a look in my builders file and see if I can locate any of my own copies. Carl Pattinson G-LABS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182700#182700 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa safety and the LAA From: "rampil" Jos: I am afraid you make assumptions where evidence is lacking. Suffice to say that there are many areas of any europa, once completed that are beyond any conventional inspection or testing. Carl: You confirm that these are "secret" safety lists (is that an oxymoron!) only available to LAA members. Someone seems to forget that half the fleet is outside the dominion of the LAA. Safety information should know no proprietary bounds. FAA Advisory Circulars are freely available to all. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182716#182716 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa safety and the LAA From: "> You confirm that these are "secret" safety lists (is that an oxymoron!) > only available to LAA members. Someone seems to forget that half the > fleet is outside the dominion of the LAA. Safety information should know > no proprietary bounds. FAA Advisory Circulars are freely available to all." When I was reading on Safety Bulletin for Tailplanes, I remember reading about the "secret" safety lists. Not easy to track down, but someone was kind enough to send me scanned copies. I have 3 files. Unfortunate any one of those files is too large for Matronics to handle. I would be pleased to share files, what is easiest way? Some good information contained I have not seen or heard discussed anywhere else. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa safety and the LAA From: "josok" Hi Ira, Sorry, no assumption. Somebody said that quality of inspection was guaranteed because it was done according to a list of known problem areas. On the question were that list and it's (statistical) results is available no real answer pops up, and in other postings that check list is played down to some known, factory followed up, items. Conventional? Is that non-destructive? testing can be very effective if you know where to look, eventually with the aid of a bore-scope or ultra sound Simple tapping also reveals a lot. But it all boils down to in depth knowledge of what you are looking for. In this stage i tend to give up. Everything is just fine. There are no problems because planes are inspected perfectly according to a non-existing list. Whatever happens thereafter has nothing to do with the perfect system. End of thread for me. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa safety and the LAA From: "josok" Europaowners forum, Europa files, document storage, limit on size is larger then you would like to upload. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:29 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa safety and the LAA Ron, Post it on the Europa Owners site. There's a place for documents. Bob On Monday, May 12, 2008, at 11:39AM, wrote: > >"> You confirm that these are "secret" safety lists (is that an >oxymoron!) >> only available to LAA members. Someone seems to forget that half the >> fleet is outside the dominion of the LAA. Safety information should know >> no proprietary bounds. FAA Advisory Circulars are freely available to all." > >When I was reading on Safety Bulletin for Tailplanes, I remember reading >about the "secret" safety lists. Not easy to track down, but someone was >kind enough to send me scanned copies. I have 3 files. Unfortunate any one >of those files is too large for Matronics to handle. > >I would be pleased to share files, what is easiest way? Some good >information contained I have not seen or heard discussed anywhere else. > >Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:59 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ At 2008-05-11 14:24 -0400 david miller wrote: >Jan Volcic does not monitor the forum, but I'm pleased to announce >that he made a first flight >this morning David - congratulations to Jan. I happen to have the Europa Club database in my hands at present for some maintenance work & I thought I'd add this bit of data. However, given the timestamp of your message, I wonder I'm interpreting the date correctly. You do mean that the F/F took place on Sunday 11 May, yes? regards Rowland -- | Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:35 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Conventional tail dragger conversion - Help Nee Roger, Contact Bob Berube at FlightCrafters in Florida. He has been a man in the fore front of Europa Convential Gear installations. He has a set of large aluminum brackets that get installed under the seat. To these brackets, a one piece aluminum main gear is attached. You keep your standard tailwheel from the mono. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:53 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa safety and the LAA From: "rampil" Jos: Through my friendship with various builder assistance people, I have heard many tales of builders going wrong, in many imaginative ways. How about 5 min epoxy instead of redux for some structural joints, how about bid instead of uni and vice versus. As I said, there are many places including inside layups, even for drag pin sockets that are not inspectable by routine methods. At my home base there is a gent who built a beautiful copy of an ME109. He expected it would be airworthy. He built it with Home-Depot bolts and Douglas Fir wood. On taxi, it crushed the landing gear. OK, the PFA might have caught that one during build. There are builders who will confound any conscientious inspector at a years on condition inspection especially if they do not scrap off the filler and paint. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182755#182755 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:01 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents From: I just posted 3 scanned PFA documents to EuropaOwners Forum Index -> Document Storage. Thx. again to whoever sent them to me. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:45 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: PFA 3 scanned MAINTENANCE documents Ron, Thanx! Looking forward to perusing them this evening after more work on the flap root extensions. Bob On Monday, May 12, 2008, at 02:06PM, wrote: > >I just posted 3 scanned PFA documents to EuropaOwners Forum Index -> >Document Storage. > >Thx. again to whoever sent them to me. > >Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:42 PM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ Hi Rowland, Yes it was May 11th Dave On 12-May-08, at 12:58 PM, Rowland Carson wrote: > > At 2008-05-11 14:24 -0400 david miller wrote: > >> Jan Volcic does not monitor the forum, but I'm pleased to announce >> that he made a first flight >> this morning > > David - congratulations to Jan. I happen to have the Europa Club > database in my hands at present for some maintenance work & I > thought I'd add this bit of data. However, given the timestamp of > your message, I wonder I'm interpreting the date correctly. You do > mean that the F/F took place on Sunday 11 May, yes? > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:49 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 62 I give you a little tip for this mod, which I completed couple of days ago: I painted (etch primer) the inserts first and then put them into the freezer (-25C) for one night. After I was able to install them to the reamed tubes just pushing by hand - no hammering att all. Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Stockton To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 62 Calls out for a 3/8" reamer. Has or does anybody near California have a reamer so I can complete this mod. Failing that I'll buy the reamer and loan it out once I finished with it. I'm off the OKC for a week and will be back on Friday. Are there any Europas in or near KOKC? Let me know. 707-330-1717 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:57 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 62 commonly known as a shrink fit, i did the same with mine, verry effective way of doing a permanent install of something inside something else craig do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 8:07 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 62 I give you a little tip for this mod, which I completed couple of days ago: I painted (etch primer) the inserts first and then put them into the freezer (-25C) for one night. After I was able to install them to the reamed tubes just pushing by hand - no hammering att all. Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Stockton To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 62 Calls out for a 3/8" reamer. Has or does anybody near California have a reamer so I can complete this mod. Failing that I'll buy the reamer and loan it out once I finished with it. I'm off the OKC for a week and will be back on Friday. Are there any Europas in or near KOKC? Let me know. 707-330-1717 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Checked by AVG. 1:08 PM ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:49 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 62 Good thinking Raimo! Graham Raimo Toivio wrote: > I give you a little tip for this mod, which I completed couple of days > ago: I painted (etch primer) the inserts first and then put them into > the freezer (-25C) for one night. After I was able to install them to > the reamed tubes just pushing by hand - no hammering att all. > > Raimo > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:56 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ Dave, I hope your propeller is okay now. Jiri from Woodcomp is finally speaking to me again. I only wanted some information about motors, but he refused to answer any emails, fax, or secretary's mess ages. I finally had to write to the Czech Embassyand their commercial attac he made a phonecall which seems to have worked like magic. Cheers, Karl do not archive
From: loboloda@execulink.comSubject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ Like Bob H., I am now a retired gentleman, or at least I am retired, so per haps if the weather does not co-operate for a fly in we could meet on a nice day mid week. Pavel, in B.C. tells me that my Woodcomp is being shipped back by UPS today , I'll keep my fingers crossed. Dave do not archive On 11-May-08, at 5:15 PM, Karl Heindl wrote: Hi Dave, Many congratulations to Jan. Looking forward to a fly-in. I am sl ow getting off the ground this year, but will do so soon. Karl
< /div>> To: europa-list@matronics.com> From: loboloda@execulink.com> Subject: Europa-List: First Flight - C-FOGJ> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:24:4 ink.com>> > Jan Volcic does not monitor the forum, but I'm pleased to annou nce > that he made a first flight > this morning in his mono.> The day has turned wet and windy, so Jan has a good excuse to sit > indoors and enjoy a few brews.> > Kit # is A220> Empty weight 859 lbs> 912S with Airmaster pro p> field - Kitchener-Waterloo regional airport, CYKF> > Now there are 4 Eur opas flying in Ontario, and I believe 4 underway > ( Pete I trust your pile of parts is now under construct==============> > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:25 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Door bulge because of seal Well here is my fix for the bulging doors, a piece of 3mm x 12mm alluminium reduxed and flush rivetted, clears the door sill by about 3mm, door was slightly over flattened with a straight edge and clamps alloy bent to be about 3mm flatter than the curve through the door opening. doors are now even and flush right along the opening with seals in place. Overall weight increase 80g per door. craig Checked by AVG. 6:14 PM ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:10 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Europa-List: Accident Report Question I read with interest the accident report for G-OHFC. Respectfully, perhaps someone could clarify something. The report says that the aircraft to Bodmin Airfield for the annual inspection. Quote: << and flew to Bodmin Airfield in Cornwall arriving at 1215 hrs. It was taxied to the maintenance hangar where the pilots met with the Popular Flying Association (PFA, now renamed the Light Aircraft Association or LAA) inspector and the annual inspection was carried out. Following the inspection the pilots had lunch before departing at 1330 hrs. >> So including lunch that's 1 hr 15 min from touchdown to takeoff. How could an annual take that short a time? How would they have taken the wings off for the inspection - unless maybe they have some means of stabilizing the fuselage? Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.