Europa-List Digest Archive

Sat 05/17/08


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 01:46 AM - Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (craig bastin)
     2. 06:00 AM - Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (Robert Borger)
     3. 07:23 AM - Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (josok)
     4. 07:50 AM - Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (karelvranken)
     5. 10:34 AM - Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (rampil)
     6. 12:38 PM - Airspeed details (Fergus Kyle)
     7. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (Robert Borger)
     8. 02:25 PM - Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (craig bastin)
     9. 02:31 PM - Drilled brake Rotors (disks) (craig bastin)
    10. 08:50 PM - wheel nuts (craig bastin)
    11. 11:12 PM - Re: Airspeed details (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:46:30 AM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ???
    for those of you havn't seen this http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/18983854.html do not archive Checked by AVG. 7:42 PM


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    Time: 06:00:51 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ???
    Europaphiles, This accident occurred at K52F, Northwest Regional Airport, Roanoake, TX, which is where I do most of my flying from these days. I was working and not at the airport that day, but my buddy Tommy Meyer was there and he took about 100 pictures of the aftermath. From what I understand, speaking from those who were there, the guy in the beautifully restored Stinson pulled out in front of the Piper on very short final and began a takeoff roll. The student pilot and instructor in the Piper didn't observe it. Typical high-wing/low-wing issue. Anyway, the two aircraft had just matched speed when the Piper landed on top of the Stinson, left main gear through the cockpit, just behind the pilot, right main gear two ribs out from the right fuel tank, nose gear just to the right of the cowl and the two props tangled sending prop pieces all over the place. Incredible luck that nobody was hurt. Supposedly, both aircraft were in communications but there was a misunderstanding as to the exact position of the Piper in the pattern. A clear example of the need for proper communication (Including Understanding Transmissions!!) in the traffic pattern at busy uncontrolled fields. AND also the need for situational awareness at busy uncontrolled fields like 52F where there are numerous experimental, antique and classic aircraft without radios. 52F can be very busy. The last time I flew out of there, I had to go around three times due to traffic issues. Once because, after my radio call: "Experimental 62TR on short final 35," a C-172 called: "Cessna xxxxX position and hold 35" and he pulled out onto the runway right in front of me and just sat there. If anyone would like to see Tommy's pics, I'd be glad to post them in an album on the Europa Owners Forum, if that's OK with Steve and Jos. Be safe, good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (95% done, only 95% to go) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On May 17, 2008, at 3:37, craig bastin wrote: > > > > > for those of you havn't seen this > > http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/18983854.html > > do not archive > Checked by AVG. > 7:42 PM > >


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    Time: 07:23:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ???
    From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    Absolutely! Pictures please! regards, Jos Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 07:50:47 AM PST US
    From: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ???
    Craig, Looks like plane sex in a birds eyeview. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? > > > for those of you havn't seen this > > http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/18983854.html > > do not archive > Checked by AVG. > 7:42 PM > > >


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    Time: 10:34:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ???
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Bob, You should remind your friend with the cessna that "position and hold" is not valid at any untowered aerodrome and that landing aircraft have right of way. The FAA is actively looking for pilots who create runway incursions. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183552#183552


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    Time: 12:38:56 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Airspeed details
    Cheers, I am in need of a 2-1/4inch airspeed indicator in order to satisfy standing orders for the Europa. It is a temporary (or at best 'standby') requirement so I can fly while calibrating my glass instruments. The thing is, I am bringing Nylaflow tubing to carry pitot and static air pressures to the instrument panel - and wonder if anyone can suggest a model and attachment details for same? [Relax, I also carry pressures for An Angle of Attack parameter to display]. Any advice cheerfully accepted..... Ferg


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    Time: 12:41:34 PM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ???
    Ira, et. al. Yes, I had a serious discussion with the gent who does the dispatching at MarcAir, he was a USAF air traffic controller for 20 years then manned a tower and FSS for the FAA till it was privatized. "Position And Hold" is a clearance issued by a tower controller and not allowed at any other time, period (no, EXCLAMATION POINT). It is considered a runway incursion when announced by someone in an aircraft on the taxiway. Unfortunately, it has become "THE" thing to do at 52F (and apparently seems to be catching on elsewhere) and is causing no end of difficulties as these bozos seem to think it is a really neat thing to do in front of someone on final. My guess is there will have to be some reporting to the FAA (boy do we other pilots hate to have to do that!) to get it cleared up. The folks at MarcAir are trying to pass the word around that it is a bad thing, but it remains to be seen if it will get through those very few but very problematic, very thick, very numb, very dense skulls that pull that crap. I'll get those pics posted later this evening and will announce to all when it has happened and where they are located. Fly safe, please, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (95% done, only 95% to go) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On May 17, 2008, at 12:31, rampil wrote: > > Bob, > > You should remind your friend with the cessna that "position and > hold" is not valid at any untowered aerodrome and that landing > aircraft have right of way. The FAA is actively looking for pilots > who create runway incursions. > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183552#183552 > >


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    Time: 02:25:26 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ???
    Hey Karel If this is plane Sex, Given one is a high wing and one a low, Is that where Europa's come from :) If so i guess the the result is greater than the sum of its parts Craig, Looks like plane sex in a birds eyeview. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? > > > for those of you havn't seen this > > http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/18983854.html > do not archive Checked by AVG. 7:42 PM


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    Time: 02:31:45 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Drilled brake Rotors (disks)
    Does anyone know the legalities is drilled brake rotors, I weighed the individual rotor yesterday, and feel 2 pounds per rotor is a tad on the heavy side. Having run drilled stainless rotors for racing I feel a good weight saving could be made here craig Checked by AVG. 7:42 PM


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    Time: 08:50:39 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: wheel nuts
    I am up to the wheel nuts on my trike, and have SERIOUS doubts about the 150 foot pounds quoted in the build manual. Given these are alluminium nuts, coupled with fact these are tapered bearings, IF i was able to get the nuts THAT tight the wheel would not rotate. My previous experience with wheel bearings on cars trucks trailers etc has always been to set the bearing nut to be tight enough to eliminate any chance of end float and just snug enough the wheel can be turned freely but with a small amount of resistance. Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM


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    Time: 11:12:06 PM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Airspeed details
    Ferg, I am not flying yet.......but I have a backup airspeed indicator in my panel that I got from Aircraft Spruce. It's made by UMA......ACS part number 10--3998. _http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/uma_miniasi_ (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/uma_miniasi) . Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)




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