---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/18/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:31 AM - Re: wheel nuts (R Holder) 2. 12:48 AM - Re: wheel nuts (G-IANI) 3. 01:35 AM - Re: wheel nuts (craig bastin) 4. 01:43 AM - Re: wheel nuts (craig bastin) 5. 02:32 AM - Re: wheel nuts (Graham Singleton) 6. 02:52 AM - Re: wheel nuts (craig bastin) 7. 05:00 AM - Re: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? (Robert Borger) 8. 05:36 AM - Firewall Forward inventory (flyingphil2) 9. 08:16 AM - Warp Drive tapered propeller blades (Jonathan Milbank) 10. 08:24 AM - Warp Drive tapered propeller blades (2) (Jonathan Milbank) 11. 09:00 AM - Re: Airspeed details () 12. 09:20 AM - Re: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) () 13. 10:28 AM - Re: wheel nuts (Graham Singleton) 14. 11:17 AM - Re: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 15. 12:47 PM - ground clearance (Fred Klein) 16. 01:58 PM - Re: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) (craig bastin) 17. 03:39 PM - Bank card (Graham Singleton) 18. 03:53 PM - Re: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) (karelvranken) 19. 04:14 PM - Re: Bank card (Paul McAllister) 20. 04:22 PM - Quick disconnect fitting (Paul McAllister) 21. 04:57 PM - Re: Quick disconnect fitting (David Glauser) 22. 05:12 PM - Re: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) (craig bastin) 23. 07:59 PM - Re: Quick disconnect fitting (Keith Hickling) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:44 AM PST US From: R Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel nuts craig bastin wrote: > I am up to the wheel nuts on my trike, and have SERIOUS > doubts about the 150 foot pounds quoted in the build > manual. Given these are alluminium nuts, coupled with > fact these are tapered bearings, IF i was able to get > the nuts THAT tight the wheel would not rotate. My > previous experience with wheel bearings on cars trucks > trailers etc has always been to set the bearing nut to > be tight enough to eliminate any chance of end float > and just snug enough the wheel can be turned freely but > with a small amount of resistance. RTFM ! It is 150 INCH pounds ! And the nuts are brass coloured; definitely NOT aluminium or even aluminum ! When in douibt follow the manual - and read it several times at different times with an open mind :-) Richard Holder ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:45 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel nuts See manual Page 29T-8 It is 150 INCH pounds, not FOOT On my aircraft this is about right. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:05 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel nuts Thanks Ian I figured as much, the other figure quoted in my manual is 17.25 KGf/m which is still what 125 foot pounds -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: Sunday, 18 May 2008 5:46 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel nuts See manual Page 29T-8 It is 150 INCH pounds, not FOOT On my aircraft this is about right. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:25 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel nuts I DID RTFM and...... the other figure quoted in my manual is 17.25 KGf/m which is still what 125 foot pounds I did however just look at the manual online and it reads 1.725 kgf/m so it would seem that my manual is WRONG which is after all why i queried it. :) As for the nuts, mine weigh in at 4 grams each and are NOT magnetic, so it they are NOT aluminium I would love to know what they are. To me they have all the appearance of being hard annodised aluminium, same as all my flared line fittings, given the colour is imparted during the process (if they are annodised alloy) they could be any colour really. RTFM ! It is 150 INCH pounds ! And the nuts are brass coloured; definitely NOT aluminium or even aluminum ! When in douibt follow the manual - and read it several times at different times with an open mind :-) Richard Holder Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:12 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel nuts the mind is like a parachute! If it isn't open its useless Graham > > When in douibt follow the manual - and read it several > times at different times with an open mind :-) > > Richard Holder > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:08 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: wheel nuts Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt askings questions the sign of an open mind :) after all only a fool knows everything -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Sunday, 18 May 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel nuts the mind is like a parachute! If it isn't open its useless Graham > > When in douibt follow the manual - and read it several > times at different times with an open mind :-) > > Richard Holder > > Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:16 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Off Topic - Situational Awareness ??? Europaphiles, I have posted Tommy Meyers pics of the aftermath of the landing accident at K54F. They are in a nested album in the Builders Photo Album. No text has been added, perhaps later when I have more time. I must get up to the airport to begin priming the wings and do a bit more body filler work on the fuselage. Be safe, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (95% done, only 95% to go) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62, 66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On May 17, 2008, at 7:56, Robert Borger wrote: > Europaphiles, > > This accident occurred at K52F, Northwest Regional Airport, > Roanoake, TX, which is where I do most of my flying from these > days. I was working and not at the airport that day, but my buddy > Tommy Meyer was there and he took about 100 pictures of the > aftermath. From what I understand, speaking from those who were > there, the guy in the beautifully restored Stinson pulled out in > front of the Piper on very short final and began a takeoff roll. > The student pilot and instructor in the Piper didn't observe it. > Typical high-wing/low-wing issue. Anyway, the two aircraft had just > matched speed when the Piper landed on top of the Stinson, left main > gear through the cockpit, just behind the pilot, right main gear two > ribs out from the right fuel tank, nose gear just to the right of > the cowl and the two props tangled sending prop pieces all over the > place. Incredible luck that nobody was hurt. > > Supposedly, both aircraft were in communications but there was a > misunderstanding as to the exact position of the Piper in the > pattern. A clear example of the need for proper communication > (Including Understanding Transmissions!!) in the traffic pattern at > busy uncontrolled fields. AND also the need for situational > awareness at busy uncontrolled fields like 52F where there are > numerous experimental, antique and classic aircraft without radios. > 52F can be very busy. The last time I flew out of there, I had to > go around three times due to traffic issues. Once because, after my > radio call: "Experimental 62TR on short final 35," a C-172 called: > "Cessna xxxxX position and hold 35" and he pulled out onto the > runway right in front of me and just sat there. > > If anyone would like to see Tommy's pics, I'd be glad to post them > in an album on the Europa Owners Forum, if that's OK with Steve and > Jos. > > Be safe, good building and great flying, > Bob Borger ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Firewall Forward inventory From: "flyingphil2" Hi, Can anyone provide me with an inventory checklist for a stage 4 (firewall forward) kit for a Europa XS please? Thanks, Phil Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:08 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Warp Drive tapered propeller blades From: "Jonathan Milbank" I'm in the UK and would like to buy a matched set of good undamaged second-hand Warp Drive tapered blades suitable for a Rotax 912UL. They could either have come off a Warp Drive ground-adjustable hub or be fitted with the ferrules suitable for an Airmaster variable pitch hub. I'm happy to pay a fair price which reflects their age and usage. Thanks from Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183660#183660 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Warp Drive tapered propeller blades (2) From: "Jonathan Milbank" Further to my previous posting, my email is jdmilbank@hotmail.com and telephone 01651-806471. Sorry I'm unaccustomed to this forum. Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183661#183661 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airspeed details From: Hi Ferg, Paul McAlister has a Winter Airspeed indicator that is 2+1/4". Nice feature on a mono to be able to follow low airspeed with good resolution. It has same resolution (more than 360 degree sweep) as larger Winter that Europa sells. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) From: Hi Craig "Does anyone know the legalities is drilled brake rotors" Can't tell you the legalities, but can tell you that there are an incredible number of holes needed to reduce weight, all of which need to be deburred on both sides. I built a custom motorcycle where I shoehorned a YTZ 250 motor into a YZ 80 frame (under 200 pounds with 65HP). I installed the disk brakes from the 450 pound beast but the rear rotor was not drilled. It happened to be same diameter as the front so I clamped together and transfer punched drill marks. Hours and hours and hours drilled on that rotor, then figured out there are 2 sides that need deburring! Looks pretty, I forget the exact weight savings but it was not as much as I would have liked for the amount of work invested. Supposedly helps with cooling. Good chance after you completed task, you would have hit on the perfect harmonics where each flight would yield a slight different "whistle"! Fooling aside, worth it to make a drill template so others can do the deed to their rotor. Very kool (cool) the increasing distance between drill marks swirl instead of in line registration as diameter increases. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:34 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: wheel nuts not wrong at all Craig, no suvh thing as a daft question either! btw why can't I get smileys when I reply, only when I write a new message? Graham craig bastin wrote: > > Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt askings questions the sign of an open > mind :) > > after all only a fool knows everything ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:39 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) Can't answer that, but have you any info on the grade and hardness of the stainless material used? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) > > > Does anyone know the legalities is drilled brake rotors, I weighed the > individual > rotor yesterday, and feel 2 pounds per rotor is a tad on the heavy side. > Having run > drilled stainless rotors for racing I feel a good weight saving could be > made here > > craig > Checked by AVG. > 7:42 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: ground clearance From: Fred Klein To all you flying monowheelies... By any chance, does anyone have a measurement of the distance between the ground and the trailing edge of the flaps at the root (inboard tip) in the deployed, gear down, position? If not, I'd be much obliged if someone could take one and forward it to me. Thanks mucho, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:04 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) Not sure of the grade or hardness, but I intend to try and find out, we just used to buy them and bolt them on, they did turn blue occasionally if you really gave them a hard time, but I couldnt see them getting anywhere near the same punishment when on an aircraft, as speed will generally be a lot lower and weight is only up about 100kg and its normally only one big stop and your done -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: Monday, 19 May 2008 4:13 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) Can't answer that, but have you any info on the grade and hardness of the stainless material used? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) > > > Does anyone know the legalities is drilled brake rotors, I weighed the > individual > rotor yesterday, and feel 2 pounds per rotor is a tad on the heavy side. > Having run > drilled stainless rotors for racing I feel a good weight saving could be > made here > > craig > Checked by AVG. > 7:42 PM > > Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM Checked by AVG. 6:26 PM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:15 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Bank card Paul tried your cash card today, no good. Looks like the PIN has been blocked, or at least my pin doesn't work with your card. Graham -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:22 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) Craig, Have a look at www.beringer.fr Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) > > > Does anyone know the legalities is drilled brake rotors, I weighed the > individual > rotor yesterday, and feel 2 pounds per rotor is a tad on the heavy side. > Having run > drilled stainless rotors for racing I feel a good weight saving could be > made here > > craig > Checked by AVG. > 7:42 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:10 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bank card Hi Mate, Could you post me my card and I'll go down to the bank and get it sorted. I'll tell them that you have lost yours as well and have them send it out. Once I get it I'll post both cards back to you and you should be all set. Cheers, Paul On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Graham Singleton wrote: > > > Paul > tried your cash card today, no good. Looks like the PIN has been blocked, or > at least my pin doesn't work with your card. > Graham > > -- > Graham Singleton > > Tel: +441629820187 > Mob: +447739582005 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:43 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Quick disconnect fitting Hi All, I am looking for a source for quick disconnect fittings as shown in the attached photograph. It has barbs on the end for 1/8 tubing. I purchased the last ones from AC Spruce about 5 years ago but now they only stock the fitting with 1/4 barbs. I'd appreciate it if anyone can point me in the right direction. Thanks and regards, Paul ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:05 PM PST US From: "David Glauser" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Quick disconnect fitting Try McMaster-Carr, starting on page 182. dg On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Paul McAllister wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking for a source for quick disconnect fittings as shown in > the attached photograph. It has barbs on the end for 1/8 tubing. I > purchased the last ones from AC Spruce about 5 years ago but now they > only stock the fitting with 1/4 barbs. > > I'd appreciate it if anyone can point me in the right direction. > > Thanks and regards, Paul > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:55 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) They look great Karel good weight saving too, complete wheel and brake for 4.25 pounds instead of 6.6 pounds for just the wheel, will have to save up my pennies and buy a set. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of karelvranken Sent: Monday, 19 May 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) Craig, Have a look at www.beringer.fr Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: Europa-List: Drilled brake Rotors (disks) > > > Does anyone know the legalities is drilled brake rotors, I weighed the > individual > rotor yesterday, and feel 2 pounds per rotor is a tad on the heavy side. > Having run > drilled stainless rotors for racing I feel a good weight saving could be > made here > > craig > Checked by AVG. > 7:42 PM > > Checked by AVG. 9:31 AM Checked by AVG. 9:31 AM ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:03 PM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Re: Europa-List: Quick disconnect fitting Europa sell them, will post in a small envelope. Keith Hickling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: Europa-List: Quick disconnect fitting > Hi All, > > I am looking for a source for quick disconnect fittings as shown in > the attached photograph. It has barbs on the end for 1/8 tubing. I > purchased the last ones from AC Spruce about 5 years ago but now they > only stock the fitting with 1/4 barbs. > > I'd appreciate it if anyone can point me in the right direction. > > Thanks and regards, Paul > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.