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1. 12:50 AM - Negative Flap (craig bastin)
2. 12:05 PM - Re: Negative Flap (Fred Klein)
3. 01:00 PM - First Flight G-IVER (Ivor Phillips)
4. 01:03 PM - first flight G-IVER (Ivor Phillips)
5. 01:34 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Robert Borger)
6. 01:36 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Peter Rees)
7. 01:40 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (Rob Housman)
8. 01:49 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (david miller)
9. 02:02 PM - First Flight G-IVER Lydd. (Robert C Harrison)
10. 02:31 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Tim Ward)
11. 02:42 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Steve Pitt)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (Jeremy Davey)
13. 04:19 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (karelvranken)
14. 04:31 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Trevpond@aol.com)
15. 04:45 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (JR Gowing)
16. 09:39 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Robert C Harrison)
17. 09:39 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard)
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For those of you that have set up to run negative flap for cruise flight i
have a couple of questions
firstly did you allow for this in the initial set up of your flaps on the
wings, or was this just done
by moving the actuator slightly and taking up the small gap you are supposed
to leave during the build.
secondly how much does this close the original gap up at say minus 2
degrees, and how much difference
did it make to cruise performance.
Why i ask is I was wondering if the extra performance being seen is just
simply the effect of sealing
the gap behind the flaps when they hit the back of the wing at say minus 2,
which some of you good
people are experimenting with now, and do i bother investing the time in
trying to find good way to seal
the flaps when I will get the same result with negative flap
craig
Checked by AVG.
4:45 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Negative Flap |
Craig,
I look forward to meaningful responses to the questions you raise.
FWIW, I've maintained a flap gap of .150 inches w/ 2 tongue depressor
sticks taped together; when I remove them, the angle of the flap (when
fully retracted) changes by 1.2 degrees.
Fred
On Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 00:50 US/Pacific, craig bastin wrote:
> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>
> For those of you that have set up to run negative flap for cruise
> flight i
> have a couple of questions
> firstly did you allow for this in the initial set up of your flaps on
> the
> wings, or was this just done
> by moving the actuator slightly and taking up the small gap you are
> supposed
> to leave during the build.
> secondly how much does this close the original gap up at say minus 2
> degrees, and how much difference
> did it make to cruise performance.
>
> Why i ask is I was wondering if the extra performance being seen is
> just
> simply the effect of sealing
> the gap behind the flaps when they hit the back of the wing at say
> minus 2,
> which some of you good
> people are experimenting with now, and do i bother investing the time
> in
> trying to find good way to seal
> the flaps when I will get the same result with negative flap
>
> craig
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 4:45 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | First Flight G-IVER |
I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today,
My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to
witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she
probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years,
She is a little bit of a porker :-) at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it
from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a
delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long
last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample
reward for the years of building,
One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivor Phillips
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| Subject: | first flight G-IVER |
Some more pictures of today's event :-)
Ivor
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-IVER |
Ivor,
Most hearty congratulations on the first flight of G-IVER.
Enjoy!
Bob Borger
On Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 03:14PM, "Ivor Phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today,
>My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to
>witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she
>probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years,
> She is a little bit of a porker :-) at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it
>from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a
>delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long
>last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample
>reward for the years of building,
>One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Ivor Phillips
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-IVER |
congratulation Ivor - I'm sure you've been wearing the 'Europa Grin' all
day - Good luck with the test flying program - hope to see you and
G-IVER at Rochester very soon. Well done and thanks for the help you've
given us on the way.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Ivor Phillips
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:56 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER
I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831
today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to
Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise
she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years,
She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it
from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a
delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long
last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample
reward for the years of building,
One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivor Phillips
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| Subject: | first flight G-IVER |
OK, the WWII plane spotter's guide was: "If it's ugly, it's British; if it's
weird, it's French; and if it's ugly and weird, it's Russian." So, what is
that tri-motor abomination (G-BDOT in case the guide is not sufficient) in
the foreground of the third photo?
do not archive
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ivor Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER
Some more pictures of today's event J
Ivor
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-IVER |
Congratulations Ivor, nice photos.
Looks like a Woodcomp prop, 912 S or 914?
Happy Flying,
dave C-FBZI
On 21-May-08, at 3:56 PM, Ivor Phillips wrote:
> I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831
> today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down
> to Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and
> sage advise she probably wouldn=92t be flying for at least a couple
> of more years,
>
> She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn=92t know
> it from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is
> a delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at
> long last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is
> ample reward for the years of building,
>
> One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Ivor Phillips
>
>
> <G-IVER First flight.jpg>
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| Subject: | First Flight G-IVER Lydd. |
Sincere Congratulations to Ivor Phillips on producing a fine example of
Europa aircraft. He undertook the first flight himself at Lydd (EGMD)
around
0900 hours today 21/05/08 after an o/night sleep in his car waiting for
coastal cross winds to abate. It sounds great and flew like a 1st class
example should.
Regards
Bb Harrison G-PTAG
PS
I have sent the photo to the Europa Owners Gallery administrator to put
on
the gallery.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-IVER |
Congratulations Ivor from the deep south. Looks like an excellent job,
well done.
You will really enjoy the flying.
All the best,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
CHRISTCHURCH 8052
NEW ZEALAND
Ph :64 03 3515166
Mob: 021 0640221
email:
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: Ivor Phillips
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:56 AM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER
I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831
today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to
Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise
she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years,
She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it
from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a
delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long
last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample
reward for the years of building,
One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivor Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-IVER |
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| Subject: | first flight G-IVER |
It's a Trislander. They've got a couple of them down at Lydd doing trips to
the Channel Islands and the likes.
Cheers,
Jeremy
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: 21 May 2008 21:38
Subject: RE: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER
OK, the WWII plane spotter's guide was: "If it's ugly, it's British; if it's
weird, it's French; and if it's ugly and weird, it's Russian." So, what is
that tri-motor abomination (G-BDOT in case the guide is not sufficient) in
the foreground of the third photo?
do not archive
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ivor Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER
Some more pictures of today's event J
Ivor
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-IVER |
Congratulations Ivor, you are joining the grining ones.
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ivor Phillips
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:56 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER
I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831
today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to
Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise
she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years,
She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it
from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a
delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long
last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample
reward for the years of building,
One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivor Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-IVER |
Congratulations Ivor - She looks a picture.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: first flight G-IVER |
Congratulations Ivor
Looks wonderful!
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Ivor Phillips
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER
Some more pictures of today's event J
Ivor
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| Subject: | First Flight G-IVER |
Hi! Dave
Ivor will be in dreamland yet so I'll do a quick reply XS c/w ..914 and
Woodcomp SR3000 Scimitar c/w Smart controller and lots of electronic
guismo's I would suggest making it as near IFR capable as possible. He
is going to find it difficult not to be in it constantly ...then we have
the price of our fuel to work as a brake !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david
miller
Sent: 21 May 2008 21:53
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER
Congratulations Ivor, nice photos.
Looks like a Woodcomp prop, 912 S or 914?
Happy Flying,
dave C-FBZI
On 21-May-08, at 3:56 PM, Ivor Phillips wrote:
I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today,
My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to
witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she
probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years,
She is a little bit of a porker :-) at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it
from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a
delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long
last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample
reward for the years of building,
One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivor Phillips
<G-IVER First flight.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: first flight G-IVER |
Congratulations from DK, Ivor!!!
Regards Gert OY-GDS
Den 21/05/2008 kl. 22.01 skrev Ivor Phillips:
> Some more pictures of today=92s event J
>
> Ivor
> <First flight 1 (Small).JPG><First flight.2 (Small).JPG><First
> flight 3JPG (Small).JPG>
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