---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/21/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:50 AM - Negative Flap (craig bastin) 2. 12:05 PM - Re: Negative Flap (Fred Klein) 3. 01:00 PM - First Flight G-IVER (Ivor Phillips) 4. 01:03 PM - first flight G-IVER (Ivor Phillips) 5. 01:34 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Robert Borger) 6. 01:36 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Peter Rees) 7. 01:40 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (Rob Housman) 8. 01:49 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (david miller) 9. 02:02 PM - First Flight G-IVER Lydd. (Robert C Harrison) 10. 02:31 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Tim Ward) 11. 02:42 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Steve Pitt) 12. 02:55 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (Jeremy Davey) 13. 04:19 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (karelvranken) 14. 04:31 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Trevpond@aol.com) 15. 04:45 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (JR Gowing) 16. 09:39 PM - Re: First Flight G-IVER (Robert C Harrison) 17. 09:39 PM - Re: first flight G-IVER (Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:43 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: Negative Flap For those of you that have set up to run negative flap for cruise flight i have a couple of questions firstly did you allow for this in the initial set up of your flaps on the wings, or was this just done by moving the actuator slightly and taking up the small gap you are supposed to leave during the build. secondly how much does this close the original gap up at say minus 2 degrees, and how much difference did it make to cruise performance. Why i ask is I was wondering if the extra performance being seen is just simply the effect of sealing the gap behind the flaps when they hit the back of the wing at say minus 2, which some of you good people are experimenting with now, and do i bother investing the time in trying to find good way to seal the flaps when I will get the same result with negative flap craig Checked by AVG. 4:45 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Negative Flap From: Fred Klein Craig, I look forward to meaningful responses to the questions you raise. FWIW, I've maintained a flap gap of .150 inches w/ 2 tongue depressor sticks taped together; when I remove them, the angle of the flap (when fully retracted) changes by 1.2 degrees. Fred On Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 00:50 US/Pacific, craig bastin wrote: > > > For those of you that have set up to run negative flap for cruise > flight i > have a couple of questions > firstly did you allow for this in the initial set up of your flaps on > the > wings, or was this just done > by moving the actuator slightly and taking up the small gap you are > supposed > to leave during the build. > secondly how much does this close the original gap up at say minus 2 > degrees, and how much difference > did it make to cruise performance. > > Why i ask is I was wondering if the extra performance being seen is > just > simply the effect of sealing > the gap behind the flaps when they hit the back of the wing at say > minus 2, > which some of you good > people are experimenting with now, and do i bother investing the time > in > trying to find good way to seal > the flaps when I will get the same result with negative flap > > craig > > > Checked by AVG. > 4:45 PM > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:02 PM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years, She is a little bit of a porker :-) at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample reward for the years of building, One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ivor Phillips ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:48 PM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER Some more pictures of today's event :-) Ivor ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:41 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Ivor, Most hearty congratulations on the first flight of G-IVER. Enjoy! Bob Borger On Wednesday, May 21, 2008, at 03:14PM, "Ivor Phillips" wrote: >I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today, >My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to >witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she >probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years, > She is a little bit of a porker :-) at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it >from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a >delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long >last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample >reward for the years of building, >One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Ivor Phillips > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:03 PM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER congratulation Ivor - I'm sure you've been wearing the 'Europa Grin' all day - Good luck with the test flying program - hope to see you and G-IVER at Rochester very soon. Well done and thanks for the help you've given us on the way. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivor Phillips To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years, She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample reward for the years of building, One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ivor Phillips ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:59 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER OK, the WWII plane spotter's guide was: "If it's ugly, it's British; if it's weird, it's French; and if it's ugly and weird, it's Russian." So, what is that tri-motor abomination (G-BDOT in case the guide is not sufficient) in the foreground of the third photo? do not archive Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ivor Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER Some more pictures of today's event J Ivor ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:01 PM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Congratulations Ivor, nice photos. Looks like a Woodcomp prop, 912 S or 914? Happy Flying, dave C-FBZI On 21-May-08, at 3:56 PM, Ivor Phillips wrote: > I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 > today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down > to Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and > sage advise she probably wouldn=92t be flying for at least a couple > of more years, > > She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn=92t know > it from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is > a delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at > long last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is > ample reward for the years of building, > > One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Ivor Phillips > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:28 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Lydd. Sincere Congratulations to Ivor Phillips on producing a fine example of Europa aircraft. He undertook the first flight himself at Lydd (EGMD) around 0900 hours today 21/05/08 after an o/night sleep in his car waiting for coastal cross winds to abate. It sounds great and flew like a 1st class example should. Regards Bb Harrison G-PTAG PS I have sent the photo to the Europa Owners Gallery administrator to put on the gallery. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:28 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Congratulations Ivor from the deep south. Looks like an excellent job, well done. You will really enjoy the flying. All the best, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, CHRISTCHURCH 8052 NEW ZEALAND Ph :64 03 3515166 Mob: 021 0640221 email: ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivor Phillips To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years, She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample reward for the years of building, One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ivor Phillips ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:59 PM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:07 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER It's a Trislander. They've got a couple of them down at Lydd doing trips to the Channel Islands and the likes. Cheers, Jeremy From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman Sent: 21 May 2008 21:38 Subject: RE: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER OK, the WWII plane spotter's guide was: "If it's ugly, it's British; if it's weird, it's French; and if it's ugly and weird, it's Russian." So, what is that tri-motor abomination (G-BDOT in case the guide is not sufficient) in the foreground of the third photo? do not archive Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ivor Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER Some more pictures of today's event J Ivor ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:06 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Congratulations Ivor, you are joining the grining ones. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivor Phillips To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years, She is a little bit of a porker J at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample reward for the years of building, One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ivor Phillips ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:10 PM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Congratulations Ivor - She looks a picture. regards Trev Pond G-LINN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:15 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER Congratulations Ivor Looks wonderful! JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivor Phillips To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER Some more pictures of today's event J Ivor --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG. 008 4:45 PM -- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:23 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Hi! Dave Ivor will be in dreamland yet so I'll do a quick reply XS c/w ..914 and Woodcomp SR3000 Scimitar c/w Smart controller and lots of electronic guismo's I would suggest making it as near IFR capable as possible. He is going to find it difficult not to be in it constantly ...then we have the price of our fuel to work as a brake ! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david miller Sent: 21 May 2008 21:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight G-IVER Congratulations Ivor, nice photos. Looks like a Woodcomp prop, 912 S or 914? Happy Flying, dave C-FBZI On 21-May-08, at 3:56 PM, Ivor Phillips wrote: I am very pleased to announce the First flight of G-IVER at 0831 today, My good friend and flying companion Bob Harrison came down to Lydd to witness the event, and without his encouragement and sage advise she probably wouldn't be flying for at least a couple of more years, She is a little bit of a porker :-) at 910 lb but you wouldn't know it from the way she climbed away, It flew straight and true and is a delight to fly, I am looking forward to all the test flying at long last, All I can say is the 40 minutes of flight time today is ample reward for the years of building, One very happy bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ivor Phillips ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:23 PM PST US From: Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard Subject: Re: Europa-List: first flight G-IVER Congratulations from DK, Ivor!!! Regards Gert OY-GDS Den 21/05/2008 kl. 22.01 skrev Ivor Phillips: > Some more pictures of today=92s event J > > Ivor > flight 3JPG (Small).JPG> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.