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1. 04:52 AM - 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery (craig bastin)
2. 04:52 AM - Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance (rampil)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery (Fred Klein)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance (ALAN YERLY)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance (rampil)
6. 09:11 AM - Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Roger Lowe)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery (glenn crowder)
8. 11:18 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (ALAN YERLY)
9. 01:22 PM - europa for sale (Tom Friedland)
10. 01:58 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (craig bastin)
11. 02:04 PM - Re: europa for sale (craig bastin)
12. 02:16 PM - Re: europa for sale (D.Hetrick)
13. 02:48 PM - Re: europa for sale (Tom Friedland)
14. 04:22 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (ALAN YERLY)
15. 05:25 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Steve Hagar)
16. 06:39 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (craig bastin)
17. 10:46 PM - Re: europa for sale (Robert C Harrison)
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| Subject: | 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery |
Can anyone tell me about the 200hp supercharged ea81 in the builders
gallery. I am just curious
if someone has this in a europa.
craig
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| Subject: | Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance |
I just hung a brand new exhaust system on my 912ULS and find the
banjo bolt is closer to the muffler heat shield than previously.
It could just be an optical illusion with all that bright shiny metal there
for the first time in a long time. I've lengthened the down pipe of
number 1 cylinder a fair bit with the slide.
Does anyone know the reasonable minimal distance between shield
and bolt?
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery |
> Can anyone tell me about the 200hp supercharged ea81 in the builders
> gallery. I am just curious if someone has this in a europa.
Craig....send an email to: GLENN CROWDER <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>...he
be the USA Guru on EuropaSoobs...Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance |
Ira,
I use about a half inch from the banjo bolt to the muffler, primarily to
give clearance for the clamp and of course the silver heat shielding to
protect the oil line. I have run as little as 1/4 of an inch from the
muffler heat shield to the clamp which went around the heat sleeve
material over the oil line and clamp.
Check also the engine hasn't started to sag a little, as the mounting
bolt spacers may need to be adjusted to get the engine back to level so
the muffler will clear the cowl / ducting.
The joys of aircraft ownership.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: rampil<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance
<ira.rampil@gmail.com<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>>
I just hung a brand new exhaust system on my 912ULS and find the
banjo bolt is closer to the muffler heat shield than previously.
It could just be an optical illusion with all that bright shiny metal
there
for the first time in a long time. I've lengthened the down pipe of
number 1 cylinder a fair bit with the slide.
Does anyone know the reasonable minimal distance between shield
and bolt?
Thanks,
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance |
Thanks Bud!
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| Subject: | Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty |
Everyone,
Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in
the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information.
The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The
stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in
Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too.
OR
Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in
US or Canada?
Thanks,
Roger Lowe
A252
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| Subject: | 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery |
Wayne Oehler from San Diego is just about done with his the last time I hea
rd from him.
I can send you his email address if you would like. I use the 125 hp NA ve
rsion in my mono
and it works fantastic. You get a bit more power with a bit more weight.
All up wt on mine
RTF no fuel is 930 lbs. WOT 175 mph at 7500 ft.
Glenn> From: craigb@onth
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| Subject: | Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty |
Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite
420 or Epibond 420 A/B.
I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As
there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as
a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked
for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or
willing to be used in aircraft.
I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux)
that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured
their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my
distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the
issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have
agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately,
Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk
discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing
fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak
dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees.
If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can
get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically
$20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the
primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you
some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly
prices.
Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf
life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if
unopened.
I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
Europa Distributor
Cell 813-244-8354
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lowe<mailto:rlowe@speedway.ca>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
<rlowe@speedway.ca<mailto:rlowe@speedway.ca>>
Everyone,
Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid
epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their
contact information.
The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has
expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for
shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can
ship it here too.
OR
Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily
available in US or Canada?
Thanks,
Roger Lowe
A252
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Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while
I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no
longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly
for sale.
N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with
trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO.
Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras.
96victor@gmail.com
Tom
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| Subject: | Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty |
I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you
new batches.
Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got,
new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an
expiry of june 2010
price was much the same $1280 a case of 6
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite
420 or Epibond 420 A/B.
I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As
there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a
result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for
substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing
to be used in aircraft.
I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that
the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their
pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and
Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly,
Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute
Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly
doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for
multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and
it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high
shipping/hazardous fees.
If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get
6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes,
I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if
anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into
the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices.
Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life
is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened.
I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
Europa Distributor
Cell 813-244-8354
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lowe
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
Everyone,
Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid
epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact
information.
The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has
expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for
shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship
it here too.
OR
Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily
available in US or Canada?
Thanks,
Roger Lowe
A252
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Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. Like
one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out
virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it
clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep
flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Friedland
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM
To: Europa Forum
Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale
Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while I
contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no
longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly
for sale.
N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with
trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO.
Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras.
96victor@gmail.com
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: europa for sale |
Tom,
Really sorry to hear that you are selling N96V. I know that it must
hurt since you never even got a chance to fly it.
Regards,
Dale Hetrick
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Friedland
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:16 PM
Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale
Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years
while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I
can no longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is
reluctantly for sale.
N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with
trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO.
Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras.
96victor@gmail.com
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: europa for sale |
Craig
Believe me I have tried everything available during the 3 years that I have
been concerned about this. It is not just about volume of sound. Thanks
for your thoughts.
Tom
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
wrote:
> Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying.
> Like one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out
> virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it
> clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep
> flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Tom Friedland
> *Sent:* Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM
> *To:* Europa Forum
> *Subject:* Europa-List: europa for sale
>
> Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while
> I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no
> longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly
> for sale.
> N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with
> trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO.
> Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras.
> 96victor@gmail.com
>
> Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty |
Craig...
Once open a year. The Huntsman product paperwork I have says 1 year,
but I use it up to 3 if closed and stored properly. The problem is with
the hardener. It makes a slime top if not properly stored, even
unopened.
We are held hostage by Huntsman over here.
Woe are we.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: craig bastin<mailto:craigb@onthenet.com.au>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending
you new batches.
Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I
got,
new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting
an expiry of june 2010
price was much the same $1280 a case of 6
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as
Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B.
I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE.
As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa
and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have
looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as
ductile or willing to be used in aircraft.
I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux)
that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured
their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my
distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the
issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have
agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately,
Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk
discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing
fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak
dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees.
If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I
can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically
$20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the
primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you
some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly
prices.
Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf
life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if
unopened.
I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
Europa Distributor
Cell 813-244-8354
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lowe<mailto:rlowe@speedway.ca>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
<rlowe@speedway.ca<mailto:rlowe@speedway.ca>>
Everyone,
Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102
(rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their
contact information.
The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased
has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for
shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can
ship it here too.
OR
Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is
readily available in US or Canada?
Thanks,
Roger Lowe
A252
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| Subject: | Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty |
I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration dates on
the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep records and liability.
If you are concerned about the suitability of the material concerning
its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a lap sample of the thickness or
number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are anticipating to bond in service
and do a destructive test. If the fibereglass breaks or tears before the
bond separates you can reasonably be assured your material is still good.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: craig bastin
Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you new
batches.
Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got,
new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry
of june 2010
price was much the same $1280 a case of 6
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or
Epibond 420 A/B.
I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there
is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I
am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and
many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft.
I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer,
Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and
packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the
last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least
changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases
again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with
no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched
importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the
weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees.
If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts
for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know
that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows
someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states,
we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices.
Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a
year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened.
I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
Europa Distributor
Cell 813-244-8354
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lowe
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
Everyone,
Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in
the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information.
The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The
stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in
Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too.
OR
Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in
US or Canada?
Thanks,
Roger Lowe
A252
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Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by hand. Dont
know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL
I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration
dates on the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep
records and liability. If you are concerned about the suitability of the
material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a lap
sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are
anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test. If the
fibereglass breaks or tears before the bond separates you can reasonably be
assured your material is still good.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: craig bastin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending
you new batches.
Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got,
new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an
expiry of june 2010
price was much the same $1280 a case of 6
craig
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as
Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B.
I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE.
As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as
a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for
substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing
to be used in aircraft.
I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux)
that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured
their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor
and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly,
Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute
Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly
doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for
multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and
it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high
shipping/hazardous fees.
If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can
get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20).
Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so
if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it
into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices.
Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf
life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if
unopened.
I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
Europa Distributor
Cell 813-244-8354
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Lowe
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
Everyone,
Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid
epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact
information.
The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has
expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for
shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship
it here too.
OR
Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily
available in US or Canada?
Thanks,
Roger Lowe
A252
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Hi! Tom
So sorry that you have to split out from your bird. Have you done
hearing tests using the Bose Noise attenuated head sets? I haven't
brilliant hearing but the Jabiru emits a really crap radio noise which I
found impossible to shut out, so Ivor Phillips and I flew thousands of
miles with the damn squelch button lifted . Now I have (at great
expense) the Bose head sets and generally it is noise free.
Obviously you will have had tests in other aircraft before making this
momentous decision?
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Now with Rotax 914!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Friedland
Sent: 23 May 2008 22:45
Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale
Craig
Believe me I have tried everything available during the 3 years that I
have been concerned about this. It is not just about volume of sound.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Tom
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